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You are only winning because of crashes terrible content design and lack of player base. If he center column in he DSAT worked like NQ said it would you would stand no chance. there is nothing to fight over other than keeping your numbers from growing, its easier to kill your org by not engaging in pvp with your members.

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It's just a shame the asteroids are not actually a dynamic part of the world. They are a dev driven event with a weekly refresh/respawn rate. And as such, those with money and resources can simply hijack the event and block the gameplay from most others, few as they are anyway.

DU is not really a MMO game, it is a game with less than a handful of active groups where each seem to pretty much control part of the game and all seem content with maintaining this status quo. Until the lights go off that is.

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28 minutes ago, Daphne Jones said:

Legion? Never heard of 'em. Do they even play DU?

Aparently if you go mine an asteroid in the pvp one you are either "Legion" or "Legion target". 

So, go to an asteroid learn about them. 

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1 hour ago, Daphne Jones said:

Legion? Never heard of 'em. Do they even play DU?

 

LEGION is certainly an urban legend.

 

I'm sure you can find a photo of an asteroid without seeing a LEGION ship on it.

This should be enough to prove their non-existence.

 

I think the government and NQ made up this LEGION story to punish you and keep you from having fun.

If anyone tells you that they have been attacked by LEGION, be suspicious, they are certainly already part of the plot.

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so a bunch of ganking agressive threathening cutthroats is killing of miners and with that they won a game based on 6 pillars of which PvP is only one?

 

Would it be possible to have a mission statement, development goals and clear leadership posted? It would be good to see who won DU.

To be succesful in the long term any organization should have clear goals, charismatic leadership and possibility of personal groth, cant find any of that in this or other posts,

till then Legion probably is a loose bunch of cutthroaths picking easy fights to gain as much loot as possible, aka low grade Pirates.  At least with the BoB there is honor in being a Pirate.

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... this is some weird conversation topics for sure.

that game's current state is pretty bad when a handful of guys "have won DU"
no one flies "fleet" or "war" ships so we keep running into haulers at the asteroids. 

the only player to ever fire back is sneakysnake and he will always run since he can't win solo against 2-3 ships. 

pvp is reduced to killing haulers at asteroids because thats all there is. No one is playing and the game is the slowest its been since all these updates came out. They needed to make these changes like 6 months ago but now most of the players left and were all thats left

Boo, Empire, Anarchy, CVA, Havoc, Rival, and even the AC have all stopped playing. I couldnt care less if they are "always growing" or "looking for reasons to come back" currently they arent in the game and therefore when I get online, the only thing I get to do is shoot a defenseless hauler or watch sneaky alt+F4 from max speed like 4 times until we lose him. Game just isnt fun without the player base or these laundry list of new glitches we got on top of the ones we reported months ago that still dont work. 
 

Asteroid mining is cool at least, when you turn on the jetpack and you can mine away T3-T4-T5 is huge amounts its pretty awesome. Had the game launched beta like this, we would be better off than we are now for sure.. but the damage is done. Maybe in winter players might come back but im not holding out for that. I do hope the best for this game, the "potential" is always there but im finding better things to spend my monthly sub on rather than sit through this mess anymore

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8 hours ago, Aaron Cain said:

Would it be possible to have a mission statement, development goals and clear leadership posted? It would be good to see who won DU.

To be succesful in the long term any organization should have clear goals, charismatic leadership and possibility of personal groth, cant find any of that in this or other posts,

till then Legion probably is a loose bunch of cutthroaths picking easy fights to gain as much loot as possible, aka low grade Pirates.

Take your roleplay out of here. Bring guns to a gun fight or die, its not that hard of a concept. Dont like it? stay in safezone and enjoy the free mining there. 

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26 minutes ago, FuriousPuppy said:

Take your roleplay out of here. Bring guns to a gun fight or die, its not that hard of a concept. Dont like it? stay in safezone and enjoy the free mining there. 

so in short no real answer, yeah the guns will come. In the darkness of nightfall they will be waiting for you, the moment you least expect it. :D

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2 minutes ago, Aaron Cain said:

so in short no real answer, yeah the guns will come. In the darkness of nightfall they will be waiting for you, the moment you least expect it. :D

That is so cringe, no statement required since its just pvp. The guns will come? I doubt it. Everytime a guy like you talks like that its just hot air. Feel free to prove me wrong anytime though. 

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zerg does what zerg does........and wasnt legion formed to do just what they are doing ...... dominate the smalls and solos?...developers had best handle their mechanics as they hand 85 percent of the wealth being generated to large guild types.hell we dont even have a real space map or waypoints in space or a proper ui ..... good luck with them handling this small shit

 

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On 8/18/2021 at 2:43 AM, FuriousPuppy said:


Boo, Empire, Anarchy, CVA, Havoc, Rival, and even the AC have all stopped playing. 

 

I wont speak for any of the other groups but HAVOC have not quit, a few of us do still play from time to time and even had the great fun of a 1v1 vs LEGION (a ship named Legion Drone) yesterday. 

 

While I think that yes, Legion having an astounding monopoly on asteroids in PvP is a bad thing and will long term result in both a loss of content for Legion and ourselves I wont blame them as a coalition or as individuals. Demanding a group who have all built friendships and respect as part of a coalition to break up and become enemies for the sake of your enjoyment is a downright stupid thing to demand, I have seen these groups in almost every game I have played that is a sandbox and I don't believe it will go away any time soon.

 

Its a situation that is currently unworkable as it is allowing Legion pilots and the coalition as a whole to significantly catapult their financial backing through resources solidifying their position even if another group steps up, however it is also a situation in which I do not know of any solution that would solve the underlying issue without another group defeating and becoming the new Legion or failing and the status-quo remaining.

 

I do hope that while these things are smoothed out Legion will continue to try and limit the numbers they bring to keep fights from being too one sided. That being said being another EvE-Online refugee I accept anything I take into PvP can and will at some stage be lost so I wont bitch and whine when a few of you pop around the corner and blast me back home.

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This is NQ’s bad design, not legions fault. NQ was warned about asteroids design flaws and given advise on how to make it better, deaf ears.
 

Legion is probably only 100-150 active at most.. shows state of the game if that number is the dominant force that shows this bad design off. 

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I just want you to know, that the "Legion" isn't something completely new.

 

At the beginning there was the AC (Ascendancy) and some other orgs and alliances that stood against the AC.

Most of the counterparts to the AC vanished with the time, so the AC became the most dominant alliance in the game.

At the end some members and organizations in the AC were uncomfortable with the "government" of the alliance, especially because several of the major orgs became nearly completely inactive. As a result, they founded the "Legion".

 

So in fact the Legion is just something like the more active part of the former AC with just a few new members. It's nothing new.

 

But to be honest, even as a player of one of the Legion orgs I'm not completely happy with the monopolism that established. But thats a general issue of the game and its players, not just of the Legion itself. Several other active PvP-Factions that could've been a real threat to the Legion became more and more inactive, split up or moved to other games. But this game is dynamic. Sure, the playerbase got much smaller in the last months. But there are still more than enough active players who could stand up against the Legion. It's a matter of organisation and effort.

 

If everyone stays in his small 10-man organization, its clear that they don't have a chance to fight Legion. But in fact, most of them would even struggle against a single org of the Legion. If you want to play PvP in DU very active, you have to organize yourself in bigger groups. But yes, NQ could do something about this, so that even smaller groups could be more annoying to large alliances. If there would be some ways for smaller orgs to still get the needed ressources and rise up faster, or something like "hit and run" - so you can attack single ships of large orgs and withdraw fast enough before reinforcements appear - this would give the PvP in the game much more depth (like the pirates or rebels in most sci-fi movies). But currently nearly all this features that would make PvP more balanced are missing.

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13 hours ago, Hachiro said:

At the end some members and organizations in the AC were uncomfortable with the "government" of the alliance, especially because several of the major orgs became nearly completely inactive.

 

There are 2 types of alliances: an association and a confederation. The difference between the two is an association is an inter-organizational organization that is established from a treaty of cooperation signed between members, while a confederation is a centralized organization created by a treaty consisting of member organizations. One has a central authority and the other does not! Arch Confederacy (AC) is a confederation! You know very well what union is like that and a country walked out of it. And here you are in this game, doing the same thing. Not all unions are confederate! 

 

Government of the alliance? Sounds like a confederation!

 

You know, everyone is free to structure an organization the way they want. My point is my political opinions are different!! Let them do what they want to do, I will not join them! My sentiment, regarding in-game, is they are a dictator organization! This is the type of gameplay this game promotes! I mean how can you not have any individualism in this game while working in a group? Because of the lack of social standards! You throw us into a free-for-all environment like that and there will always be people who take advantage of others through inequity! I mean look at this hierarchy lol! I'm not ignorant!

 

This game is terrible! It's a collective hierarchal game! You have 50 people and 1 dictator: those 50 people cannot pressure the dictator when they are greater in number? You see, nothing in this game is gonna evolve from the feudal society this game has always been since the very beginning, because people here are ignorant! When people are ignorant, they don't know how to assert themselves, and you can very much see this on the widespread of slavery in this game!

 

One of the reason why I left this game is I am not playing a game of slave! I mean look at the MMOs I played: they all have equitable gameplay! While this game? I don't think they've done anything to promote self-interest in gameplay!

 

Do you invest in something that has no security? You talk about shares (which is by the way a "claim") but there is no way to assert it as the game is entirely player-driven? It doesn't f*cking work unless we have a complex society that has a reputation system!  

 

Working with people in this game as a stakeholder is impossible through incorporation! 

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22 hours ago, Physics said:

This is NQ’s bad design, not legions fault. NQ was warned about asteroids design flaws and given advise on how to make it better, deaf ears.. 

I will tell you an open secret. When NQ say they are looking for PTS player feedback, it is only an act to appear like they are listening.

Only game breaking crash bugs will sometimes be fixed, and in reality the feature is done and will be released exactly as presented on PTS.

 

Because NQ always knows best. And their way is the only way, even when they are frequently proven to be wrong and players are leaving in droves..

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