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Hachiro

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  1. The Math is quite simple: You as a individual player have up to 100 Core-Slots (if skill maxed) You have additional to this 100 Org-Core slots (if skill maxed) that you can contribute to any org The org leader has to level an additional skill, to expand the maximum limit of org slots (so more players can contribute their slots to the org) to a maximum of 1625.
  2. Thank you very much. With this change, the Patch will be a small, but real improvement instead of a downgrade for our org. But a few things we really need when the patch comes: folders for the construct list on the map (so you can finally organize the constructs, will be increasing map-performance, if the construct list of a folder is only loaded when the folder is opened) a counter for your own personal constructs (so you can see how close you are to the limit) a counter for the org constructs (can be only seen by legates/superlegates) constructs are not abandoned when the limit is not high enough. You just can't place new ones (otherwise many constructs will be abandoned long before the players will have leveled the skills for that)
  3. But therefore we need a more advanced org system, real advantages of building close together, better performance to be able to build close together in a large org and and and... Until then it will be a long road. And currently for many players who reached the lategame, building is the only reason why they still play this game. And when its limited this drastically, this will fck up many people.
  4. After all the shitstorm (and my quite frustrated post earlier) I wan't to say: It's nice to see that the "problem" is engaged, but it's from the totally wrong angle. Some aspects that need to be considered for future planning of this issue: People who are ship designers need many cores (even if you create a new and better ship you often dont want to destroy the old one) Especially ship showrooms need many cores Players who reached lategame and find mainly entertainment in building will build larger projects than just 1-2 L-Cores You can be in a large organisation (that needs cores) and in a small team that works more or less independent too (needs cores too). Many larger orgs have main bases and several semi-independent squads. Event areas (Racing Nights, Expo...) need many many cores Nearly every large project needs preparation before the project really starts. Often you will use this project to attract new players to you org. But if you don't have the players before the project starts, you can't start it because less players means not enough cores. And most important: Never make random cores abandon if the limit somehow drops. Just don't allow to place any more new cores, but let the old ones remain. No one want's to loose creations that they worked for weeks or even months just because of a game mechanic. Maybe a system where you can achieve some type of rank with your org would be nice (like milestones). So the core amount is more or less stable and does not go up and down with every single player. You will stay at the current core limitation for some time and when the milestone is reached, the limit expands by a huge amount. Then it's stable again until you reach the next milestone. Issue just is: how to get the milestones. Currently there are not much opportunities for this (ores, specific elements, quanta, player amount). Maybe a combination of all of them.
  5. I welcome the try to scale the org constructs in some way. the core limitation of 275 was really not bearable for larger organisations. We had to split up in several sub-orgs for all our constructs and the managing of this was a nightmare, because of the 5 orgs per player limit. BUT: If I have with all talents just 25 org construct slots, this is quite an issue. I mean, you have just a few personal construct slots. - Most of them are already occupied with the cores for the mining units. - So if you want to build a fancy building and more than 1 single ship, you already need several of your org construct slots for yourself - Preparations on a larger scale will be nearly impossible In my case I currently build a city layout so that other players and I can build a realistic (still small) city later. A project like this needs a layout and a structure before it really starts, or it ends in chaos. Currently I have already ~150 cores placed and filled. But projects like this, that need a massive amount of cores for preparation before others can benefit from it, will be nearly impossible. Because everyone have to be in your org (remember the 5 org limit) and has to give you some of their org construct slots before they get anything in return (and be honest: how many will do this?). And even if I get enough slots from people beforehand and I spend massive ressources and time - it can be all lost if just a few players leave the org/ reassign their slots/ cancel their payment. Then the core limit drops and the already placed cores will be abandoned... This will really kill many larger projects. With this system, you can only start big projects, if you are already big. Big projects from small groups that form a larger organization later will be nearly impossible. So this may be okay for large orgs, but will make it way more difficult for smaller orgs to rise even if they are really active. Better invent some milestones. For example: You start with 50 Cores for your org, and with achieving several goals (spend massive ressources/quanta) you can scale up this limit and it remains permanent. So even a small group can get to a decent amount of org cores with the time if they are active (this idea is absolutely not perfect, it shall show just another direction). A system like the announced one that is so fragile that a few leaving/reassigning/inactive members can destroy your organization with the reduced core limit - that is not really thought to the end. I understand the reason and I appreciate that you are try so solving this. But this is the wrong way NQ.
  6. I really hope there will be a good solution for data export. Several projects in the community depend on that. We in our org built in months of work a whole own economy system. Members can store their ores in our ore deposit, they get "HC" (our own currency) in exchange, and can use these HC in the fully automated shopping center to buy nearly any item for a cheap and steady price (what is important especially for new players). Our players can transfer their HC to other members, or can use them to order something from our industry department (if its not in the shopping center, or a really large order). This system works well and is a great addition and an advanced community creation. (If you are interested, check this video: Hyperion Warehouse and HC-System it's German and not 100% up to date, but you can understand most of the content just with the visuals) And there are many more complex systems like this from other orgs and players, that rely on sync with external databases, because the DBs in the game are too small to handle this. All of these advanced scripted community creations would be lost if there is no proper and easy way to export the data anymore. If we are restricted to just the ingame DBs, this will kill massive creativity in scripting because of the limitations.
  7. Another idea for the microvoxel issue would be an option, where you can choose to delete all the remaining stuff in the construct. So you still have to disassemble it by yourself if you don't want to loose all the stuff (which is okay I think). But when you are mostly finished with disassembling it would be nice to have this option. Could work like this: In build mode, activate the core -> Scrap remaining parts -> a pop-up appears with a warning that the scrapped stuff will be lost together with a list of the remaining elements+voxels (like the list you have for blueprints) So you can check this list and decide "just two adjustors and <1m³ voxels, that's okay to loose" and delete it. Automatic disassembling with getting the resources back would be nice, but I think this would make all this too easy.
  8. The latest patches were needed steps for the game, but are no final solution. Because they brought good changes, but reduced the reasons to build and play together with others more and more. Example: Mining Units I like this change all in all. But this resulted in every player having his own tile (or several tiles). So this makes it harder for multiple people to build and play together, because the more players are in the group, the larger the area becomes they need for their ressources. So if they build a city or their base together in the center, several players have to fly long distances to get to there MUs. Yes, this is not completely a new issue. Even before you had to fly to the next unclaimed territory to mine there. Even before you had to fly to other planets to get rare ores. So it's not like the system with the mining units caused this issue. But it amplifies it. Especially new players who nearly just want T1-ores for their projects get quite separated. You can build an Industry Line together, but aside from that there is no real benefit in playing and building close together. It's currently more that if you want to build together, you have to overcome the difficulties that come with that (PvP is another topic). And I think, if this "isolation" can be broken it would give DU a huge boost. To be honest, I don't have a real balanced idea on how to solve this issue. To make it more attractive to build together, to connect and build large bases and cities instead of every player having his own tile with a single building on it. But maybe you have some ideas for this?
  9. Especially if you have built fancy ships with voxelmancy that took days of work to be finished. There is not an option like "just move every element 0.5 voxels away from each other". because then the whole design gets visually broken. Like I've said: I like the fact that they are working on this problem. Strict in-game rules are better than just to say "Don't do that". I don't want NQ to revert this change completely. But they really have to work on the hitboxes in detail again. If so many fancy ships that were built the legal way are broken now because of messy hitboxes, this is really an issue.
  10. Well, I appreciate the try to change the mechanics so glitching Elements together is not just forbidden, but not really possible anymore. But however, this is too much. At first I thought it is only a problem for me, because I like to build small ships and shuttles where all elements are close together to get a nice look. But now I hear from nearly every player I know that there is massive obstruction on their ships, even when they made sure to build without glitching or stuff like this. So even if you followed the rules and build your ship the "correct" way, many players get punished now. Please check on this again, NQ
  11. This is no flame, even if some words may sound harsh. I love the game, even if the progress is quite slow sometimes. Issue: Aside from the markets, the world feels quite dead. There are some Industries with animated parts and you can create animations on a screen. But thats it. Even if you build with several players together, to create a city or a large base - often just a few are online and at the location at the same time. Everything else is static. Its only an asthetic issue, but this keeps the immersion of the world at a quite low level. Some ideas for a solution: - animated elements: rotating gears, elements that move up and down and other stuff like this - particle elements: elements that create smoke, fire, dust, sparks, water sprinkling effects and other - sound elements: elements that play a specific sound in a loop or with a timer, when you get close - "NPCs": a major thing would be NPCs. To distinguish between Players and NPCs, the NPCs could be simple Robots. They dont have to be too fancy. For example: 1. An animated robot for just decoration. You place the robot like an element and it performs a simple animation. 2. An animated robot as a "shop keeper", that works like the current dispenser. To prevent exaggerated robot use, there could be high costs and a limitation per core. These are just a few ideas on how the world could get more alive. Of course we would need more graphic options for this, so everyone can set the visibility range for the animations. Another topic connected with this is low poly models - even of already existing elements. Its quite annoying that a giant wing of a spaceship just plops in and out when you get closer/ farther away. Or that Industry Elements are either invisible, or rendered with all the details and animation.If there are low poly models of the larger elements that are shown at higher distance, we could get better looking far away constructs without extreme performance drops. So what are your ideas to fill the world with some life?
  12. My opinion about the update: I like the idea, but not exactly how it's done. The main issue I have with this: The Taxes are far too high for people who are more interested in planetary building. The average Tile on Alioth gives you about ~500l/h, so ~84kl/week and most of this is T1 Even with talents it may be 150kl/week (not exactly, but just for demonstration). This is an amount you can currently get in 1h mining. And you have to sell at least ~1/2 to pay the taxes. The amount you'll receive in the end is way less than what you can get now if you are ready to invest some time. If you are someone who likes to fly to other planets and build a base there this may be okay. I've heard about tiles with 300l/h T3 ore and more, so the taxes would not be an issue. But players who like the planetary building on alioth and not space travelling, will be extremely slowed down and I think this will cause more frustration in the playerbase.
  13. Well, the problem is not that there are no benefits in building close together. The current problem is: The game is still not ready for this. We tried it in "Hyperion City", and the game causes so many issues if you want to build close together. Advantages of a City: - Feeling: Its much nicer building close together and see others buildings grow bigger and bigger - Industry: Everyone can specialize on some parts and build a perfect optimized industry line. And your Neighbor can specialize on other parts - Shopping: In Hyperion, we have a fully automated ore deposit and shopping center that works very nice and is more comfortable and immersive than flying to the markets everytime - We even experimented with street systems where hovercars can drive with ease (yeah, not absolutely necessary, but adds feeling too) - Building together on large projects Issues with a City in DU: - Performance: The industry city is a nice idea, but the game cannot handle it currently. Just a few cores filled with industry are causing massive FPS drops. Imagine what it is with dozens of buildings. Thats the main issue and thats the reason why the real use of a city is not achievable. - Overlap-Protection: DU has an overlap-Protection that does not allow to build too close to others buildings (not even the tileowner can disable this). But the range of this is way too far. So EVERY player with a house in the city has to manually disable this overlap-protection for every core. But this is extremely bugged and there has to be just one inactive player who has not disabled this protection, to make a whole 300x300m area unusable. Several players reached out to NQ because of this. The protection does not need to be removed, but at least give the tileowner the option to disable this protection for his tile. Issue would be solved. But nothing changed so far and this for already more than 1 year. - Organization Core limits: The only other way to avoid this overlap-protection is if all the building cores belong to the organization (and the player just gets all the rights for his own buildings). But NQ decided to reduce the max. amount of cores for every org massively (doesnt matter if its a org with 5 Members, or with 500). So this does not work too. Many players reached out to NQ with ideas like "scaling the core limit according to the player amount" / "add some missions to expand the org core limits" and others. But so far nothing changed, and this already for ~ 4 months.
  14. I just want you to know, that the "Legion" isn't something completely new. At the beginning there was the AC (Ascendancy) and some other orgs and alliances that stood against the AC. Most of the counterparts to the AC vanished with the time, so the AC became the most dominant alliance in the game. At the end some members and organizations in the AC were uncomfortable with the "government" of the alliance, especially because several of the major orgs became nearly completely inactive. As a result, they founded the "Legion". So in fact the Legion is just something like the more active part of the former AC with just a few new members. It's nothing new. But to be honest, even as a player of one of the Legion orgs I'm not completely happy with the monopolism that established. But thats a general issue of the game and its players, not just of the Legion itself. Several other active PvP-Factions that could've been a real threat to the Legion became more and more inactive, split up or moved to other games. But this game is dynamic. Sure, the playerbase got much smaller in the last months. But there are still more than enough active players who could stand up against the Legion. It's a matter of organisation and effort. If everyone stays in his small 10-man organization, its clear that they don't have a chance to fight Legion. But in fact, most of them would even struggle against a single org of the Legion. If you want to play PvP in DU very active, you have to organize yourself in bigger groups. But yes, NQ could do something about this, so that even smaller groups could be more annoying to large alliances. If there would be some ways for smaller orgs to still get the needed ressources and rise up faster, or something like "hit and run" - so you can attack single ships of large orgs and withdraw fast enough before reinforcements appear - this would give the PvP in the game much more depth (like the pirates or rebels in most sci-fi movies). But currently nearly all this features that would make PvP more balanced are missing.
  15. Ich vermute mal, da bist du genau in die Umbauarbeiten auf unserem Server reingestolpert. Sorry dafür? Heißt du auf Discord genauso wie ingame? Ansonsten lass wie Underhand schon meinte einfach ne kurze Message im #empfang/arrival - Channel da, dann geht es recht fix weiter ?
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