ELX987 Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 For Reference here are the changes concerning this post: Element Mass changes: Warp Drive: 31000kg > 75000kg Large Gunner Module: 11000kg > 16000kg Medium Gunner Module: 2000kg > 4250kg Extra-Small Adjustor: 22kg > 25kg Small Adjustor: 42kg > 100kg Medium Adjustor: 200kg > 450kg Large Adjustor: 1000kg > 1550kg All Small Shield variations: 3300kg > 5000kg All Medium Shield variations: 17000kg > 30000kg All Large Shield variations: 92000kg > 125000kg All medium weapons: x1.5~ (roughly 2850kg > 4275kg) All large weapons: x1.25~ (roughly 15000kg > 19000kg) Shield Generator HP changes: Base values for Extra-Small Shield: 500000 > 450000 Base values for Small Shield: 2000000 > 1750000 Base values for Medium Shield: 7500000 > 5000000 Base values for Large Shield: 20000000 > 10000000 Please explain NQ, What was the manically absurd meaning behind these changes, are you trying to kill what people thought good of Athena and sneak in such game changing tweaks to PVP and ship functionality? already you have irritated me by thinking these were good but this is incomputable stupidity. i have created a 2 day poll to see if people actually want this: https://strawpoll.com/polls/3RnYpxvWDye please vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vizeroy Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 These changes are ridiculous and if they are implemented, i'm gonna cancel my subscriptions and find something else to play. It was fun while it lasted and i've certainly got my moneys worth of entertainment, but it kinda sux big time. ELX987 and space_man 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ving Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 You missed Command Chair. 158kg to an insane 3.5t o0 All these changes, including the massive adjustor nerf, are to 'balance' pvp, with no consideration for pve players who enjoy (used to...) flying around in atmosphere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELX987 Posted April 14, 2022 Author Share Posted April 14, 2022 Just now, Ving said: You missed Command Chair. 158kg-ish to an insane 3.5t o0 that we already knew, but yea, still scuffed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InvestorStallone Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 What makes you believe that mass and shield nerf is so terrible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vizeroy Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 36 minutes ago, AdmiralYolomoto said: What makes you believe that mass and shield nerf is so terrible? Well... log in and check your ship stats. The numbers speak for themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InvestorStallone Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 1 minute ago, Vizeroy said: Well... log in and check your ship stats. The numbers speak for themselves. I saw these numbers, they are different indeed, but what makes them so terrible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blundertwink Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 To be honest, the very idea that NQ will be able to balance PvP is a bit hilarious to me. We're coming close to release and this isn't something they have much experience with. Over the last 8 years, relatively little time has been spent with PvP's design. Even PvP-only arena games struggle to find balance... This is an open world, MMO game where not all ships are specialized in combat...that's already near impossible to balance because combat isn't guaranteed (or likely) to be symmetrical. Reality is that people will get mad if they perceive that combat isn't fair (right or wrong), and the nature of PvP in this game makes it rarely fair. There's a good reason open-world PvP MMOs are rare nowadays. Even if NQ had a lot of experience with PvP game design (they very clearly don't), it would still be very difficult to find balance in a game like this. Trying to do it now with some shotgun stat adjustments won't do the trick -- it's "too little, too late". PvP and combat mechanics are still rather crude...NQ needed a lot more time and experience to substantively improve PvP and combat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinxed Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Fecking PvP centered changes again. Why does everything have to revolve around and get shat on because of PvP? apollo0510, merihimRefin, Zireaa and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 These changes are good the age of element only pvp ships has come to an end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CptLoRes Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 How does this make voxels relevant? Weight is weight, and that is still the only thing that voxels add to a construct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxim Kammerer Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 44 minutes ago, CptLoRes said: Weight is weight, and that is still the only thing that voxels add to a construct. Don't they add cross section as well? Jinxed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 5 hours ago, CptLoRes said: How does this make voxels relevant? Weight is weight, and that is still the only thing that voxels add to a construct. We ran some tests and you definitively want to have voxels now since shields got nerfed or you will die really quick. 4 hours ago, Maxim Kammerer said: Don't they add cross section as well? It matters less now 2 Nanos had no chance in a fight against one pre shields 4 Seater ship. Yes that Capital lost shields but outtanked these two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daphne Jones Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 It's a stealth wipe. Makes our BPs worthless. Small ones at least. Larger ships won't suffer from this so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlindingBright Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 On 4/14/2022 at 9:23 PM, Jinxed said: Fecking PvP centered changes again. Why does everything have to revolve around and get shat on because of PvP? Stop being a carebear, don't you know this is a FULL LOOT OPEN WORLD PVP GAME?!!!! Ugh, all these noobs that just won't git gud and complain when I gank them in PVP space. It's the game, not the player! Also this game needs to be more PVP focused, it's the only real content- everything else in game should just there to support it. I mean it's pvp space so expect to be blown up; it's all fair game! Yeah there is no prison system... or bounty system.... or in game NPC's to help police space... or incentives to not pirate, it's great! Full gank, full loot baby! If we didn't have safe zones all these whiny carebears would stop playing and the full loot pvp master-race of noveans will finally rise! The issue with every other full-loot pvp mmo is they tried to cater to the majority of their casual carebears making the game fun for nobody. Don't make the same mistake NQ, listen to your hardcore PVP crowd or this game will end up like every other full loot focused pvp MMO with a subscription, dead. I'm not being toxic, you're being toxic... there is nothing toxic about communities in full loot pvp games.. you just need to git gud. This post brought to you by salt-dipped sarcasm pops! Don't believe the taste, wipe away your doubt and try one today! Leniver and Jinxed 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hills Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 @BlindingBright, did you ever gave a try playing counterstrike ? Thats probably the thing you're looking for. No brain needed, only reflects. EDIT: I have to add ... I loved it I was too drunk to understand the substantial message. And I didn't watch the vid. I'm sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinxed Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 12 hours ago, BlindingBright said: Stop being a carebear, don't you know this is a FULL LOOT OPEN WORLD PVP GAME?!!!! Ugh, all these noobs that just won't git gud and complain when I gank them in PVP space. It's the game, not the player! Also this game needs to be more PVP focused, it's the only real content- everything else in game should just there to support it. I mean it's pvp space so expect to be blown up; it's all fair game! Yeah there is no prison system... or bounty system.... or in game NPC's to help police space... or incentives to not pirate, it's great! Full gank, full loot baby! If we didn't have safe zones all these whiny carebears would stop playing and the full loot pvp master-race of noveans will finally rise! The issue with every other full-loot pvp mmo is they tried to cater to the majority of their casual carebears making the game fun for nobody. Don't make the same mistake NQ, listen to your hardcore PVP crowd or this game will end up like every other full loot focused pvp MMO with a subscription, dead. I'm not being toxic, you're being toxic... there is nothing toxic about communities in full loot pvp games.. you just need to git gud. This post brought to you by salt-dipped sarcasm pops! Don't believe the taste, wipe away your doubt and try one today! NGL you had me there for a minute... I was all ready to write an angry rebuttal... until I actually read the post. LOL. Big fan of Josh's stuff... Love his no nonsense discussion and cute mugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight-Sevy Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 We are starting to take a good direction with these modifications. There is still the impact of the cross section: - Ridiculously high hit chance on XS/S with L weapons - No taking into account the new TTK for dual universe which is not 1 gunner seat per real player but rather 2. - Last point to improve, ensure that the upper third voxels have true values in % resistance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snipey Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 Any topic from @ELX987 should be ignored as he contributes nothing but drama to the community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
space_man Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 8 minutes ago, Snipey said: Any topic from @ELX987 should be ignored as he contributes nothing but drama to the community. and what exactly is this...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELX987 Posted April 18, 2022 Author Share Posted April 18, 2022 12 hours ago, Snipey said: Any topic from @ELX987 should be ignored as he contributes nothing but drama to the community. to be fair the only posts regarding me that you have made are drama related so... also arent those IRL politics in your PFP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snipey Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 11 hours ago, ELX987 said: to be fair the only posts regarding me that you have made are drama related so... also arent those IRL politics in your PFP? Tell us again how you started a thread that doxed an NQ employee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blundertwink Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Snipey said: Tell us again how you started a thread that doxed an NQ employee. I mean...for the record, It was @blazemonger that actually did the "doxxing" and you can't really blame someone just for starting the thread (which wasn't at all calling for that) 😅 Not that this has anything to do with the topic, just saying... ELX987 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELX987 Posted April 19, 2022 Author Share Posted April 19, 2022 18 hours ago, blundertwink said: I mean...for the record, It was @blazemonger that actually did the "doxxing" and you can't really blame someone just for starting the thread (which wasn't at all calling for that) 😅 Not that this has anything to do with the topic, just saying... that thread was regarding a news article, and NQ closed it because someone not myself put a devs LinkedIn profile there, i denounce doxxing and never will condone it. thread in queston: read for yourself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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