space_man Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 14 hours ago, blazemonger said: A wipe is a wipe, you'll have to start over, build up and earn enough to buy the ships again. Am I the only one looking forward to a fresh progression? I have billions in assets and Im incredibly bored with just chasing the market prices as they fall. The game is imbalanced, and a wipe is the best move, followed up by a rebalance of PvE, which if schematics are gone then everything needs to take at least 30% more ore and time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Krieger19D Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 I haven't paid a dime for my main account so... whatever, I guess. I did pay for my second account though, specifically to earn skill points. I'd drop the second account if she lost her points, but I'd keep playing with the wiped alpha account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rokkur Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 On 6/14/2022 at 5:50 AM, space_man said: Am I the only one looking forward to a fresh progression? I have billions in assets and Im incredibly bored with just chasing the market prices as they fall. The game is imbalanced, and a wipe is the best move, followed up by a rebalance of PvE, which if schematics are gone then everything needs to take at least 30% more ore and time. I look forward to a completely fresh progression, because I am emotionally detached from everything I have. Especially since so many of my previous designs were ruined by updates, despite the fact I didn't abuse the game I just hid elements cause I hate how fugly they are. Nothing at this point really has value anymore with a dead community, and it makes it far too depressing to play at this point and time. I am also still very sour over the fact that weeks and months roll on and we still have no deadline for wipe and no better details. space_man 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrius Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 So, this post has been here for 2 months, and I just returned to the game... I already had to rebuild everything after the first (alpha) wipe. If I get back up to speed and a month from now you wipe everything again I most likely won't come back a 3rd time... Either do a wipe SOON or don't, but stop stalling with this BS. Because the longer you wait, more and more people will stop playing expecting the wipe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pleione Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 27 minutes ago, Chrius said: So, this post has been here for 2 months, and I just returned to the game... I already had to rebuild everything after the first (alpha) wipe. If I get back up to speed and a month from now you wipe everything again I most likely won't come back a 3rd time... Either do a wipe SOON or don't, but stop stalling with this BS. Because the longer you wait, more and more people will stop playing expecting the wipe. Well.. for sure I wouldn't start again until after they wipe. They have pretty much stated they will do one, its only a question of what will remain: Blueprints for sure - everything else is in the wind - including WHEN they will announce/perform the wipe. But your sentiments are dead on. The longer they wait, the more time goes by for some other game, like Starfield, to come onto the playing field. Others, like Planet Crafter, are already there - but are currently limited play time games, so not so much of a threat. Personally, I tend to focus on one game at a time, and am awaiting Starfield, Crimson Desert, and Fractured Veil (along with updates for Planet Crafter). Dual Universe gets added back onto the list the day of the wipe - wither its first or not on that list will depend on their timing. Until one of the above happens, I'll be playing V-Rising (or maybe yet another round of Rimworld!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
space_man Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 42 pages and still don't know much about the wipe. Sad. Just sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blundertwink Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 13 hours ago, space_man said: 42 pages and still don't know much about the wipe. Sad. Just sad. It is sad. It also makes very little sense to me. They're sabotaging their own PR and it's bizarre -- whatever damage they believe would come from announcing a wipe is minuscule compared to the lack of engagement on this topic breeding wide discontent and mistrust (not to mention bad reviews). NQ's had a reputation for not engaging the community for a long time now....which is a choice they've made, many times over many years. They don't think players have much to offer -- they think we're "know-it-alls" with too many opinions that don't understand how hard their jobs are. It's easy to take criticism personally, but professional companies know how to push those personal feelings aside and process customer feedback to improve their product. Their inability to process feedback or engage with their own customers is really obvious in the state of their product today. Painfully obvious. Players on release will boot this up and believe that it is fresh from a tiny dev team, not that they've spent 6+ years in dev and 2 years in beta. NQ shouldn't be shocked if the game gets bad reviews as soon as release drops...it may be the only way this company finally cares about customer engagement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazemonger Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 What IMO is sad is that NQ seems to think that not being honest and upfront about what seems blatantly obvious is a good idea. Since not acknowledging a no wipe is even worse and would make absolutely no sense whatsoever, keeping quiet on the fact the wipe is happening is just.. trying to remain as generic as possible here ..very silly at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskLight Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 Full wipe and do it right this time. There is no point of shackling the devs as they attempt to salvage the game. The community must be willing to make sacrifices for the benefit of the game as a whole. blazemonger, Modgud and Rokkur 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rokkur Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 1. So are we there yet? 2. How are the ongoing discussions going? 3. How many hours a week do you spend discussing this topic? 4. What % of development effort is spent deciding on wipe vs. doing other tasks to prep for launch? 5. Will these questions be excluded from ask aphelia because they are related to wipe? Which you refuse to discuss in your podcast? 6. Do you have an date set for wipe yet? 7. If not an wipe date an you give us a list definitive of what will and won't be wiped? 8. Will you wipe again after launch, if the problems that lead to this wipe re-occur? W1zard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pleione Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Consider yourself VERY lucky if they answer one of those... I'd be happy with a firm date for when they will tell us the decision. Rokkur 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosomu Posted Wednesday at 06:55 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 06:55 AM (edited) At this point my patience with NQ is gone. I played for over a year and a half, then they talked about the wipe. I went into maintenance mode and only logged in once a week to calibrate and pay taxes. And then I began to dread logging in to do even that. The only thing that pushed me to continue was the remote chance that my hard work wouldn’t be deleted or stolen. I waited and waited for this company to decide whether or not they would wipe their game. And now I don’t care anymore. But I’ve learned a few things in all of this. NQ isn’t professional and doesn’t care about their player base. And I don’t believe this company deserves any more of my money. Edited Wednesday at 06:59 AM by Nosomu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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blundertwink Posted Wednesday at 01:45 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 01:45 PM 6 hours ago, Nosomu said: NQ isn’t professional and doesn’t care about their player base. And I don’t believe this company deserves any more of my money. What's especially "unconventional" in my opinion is the drive to both work on performance fixes and bugs and continue to push new features in advance of release. As anyone that's worked on software at scale knows, these two concepts work against each other... Every feature change can have vast, unintended consequences on performance and will spawn numerous new bugs. Bugs tend to be magnified on release when more players storm the game...minor flaws become major ones if the game scales. I'd argue that beta pops are so low right now, they have no meaningful data on how the game will perform once live. This speaks to "unprofessional" because this is basic software engineering standards. Granted, I don't know their release timetable; maybe they have plenty of time before release and don't need a feature lock yet... But I highly doubt they do real load tests, and without a beta system with meaningful scale, a lot of issues will fly under their radar and ambush them on release. More so if they believe they have enough performance and stability to keep pushing feature changes! It's almost like this marathon feet-dragging about the wipe has sabotaged their ability to test at the most critical time in their history... 👀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CptLoRes Posted Wednesday at 02:19 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 02:19 PM 31 minutes ago, blundertwink said: As anyone that's worked on software at scale knows, these two concepts work against each other... Nothing new. This is just NQ continuing to behave like NQ always has, and the reason why this game is in the state it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pleione Posted Wednesday at 02:45 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 02:45 PM 1 hour ago, blundertwink said: What's especially "unconventional" in my opinion is the drive to both work on performance fixes and bugs and continue to push new features in advance of release. As anyone that's worked on software at scale knows, these two concepts work against each other... Every feature change can have vast, unintended consequences on performance and will spawn numerous new bugs. Bugs tend to be magnified on release when more players storm the game...minor flaws become major ones if the game scales. I'd argue that beta pops are so low right now, they have no meaningful data on how the game will perform once live. This speaks to "unprofessional" because this is basic software engineering standards. Granted, I don't know their release timetable; maybe they have plenty of time before release and don't need a feature lock yet... But I highly doubt they do real load tests, and without a beta system with meaningful scale, a lot of issues will fly under their radar and ambush them on release. More so if they believe they have enough performance and stability to keep pushing feature changes! It's almost like this marathon feet-dragging about the wipe has sabotaged their ability to test at the most critical time in their history... 👀 This is a classic management error - suspect they have a bunch of really talented creative people who refuse to stop creating and insist on "doing their job". Debugging is someone (lower skilled in their opinion) job to do and they won't have anything to do with it. Its a management error because management won't stand up to them - their friends, not employees. I'm presuming they are not stupid enough to be pushing new features, like the non-player driven marketplace, as window dressing for their other failures, like not being able to come to a wipe decision. This may well be complicated by severe financial pressure - e.g. developers working for stock instead of cash where management has to coddle them or lose them with little chance of replacements being found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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