Elitez Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 While i am all in for all kind of agressive gameplay, features, slow progress, i dont think we are in a position that New Players will afford to pay for mistakes where ship is trying to land in Alioth and explodes and teleports 20km above you and for dynamic cores bp when are deployed fly in space few SU above you, so on and so forth. There is something wrong about this feature considering your core can easily be destroyed by non player maneuvers. You can postpone it for few days until patch is confirmed to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethys Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 this will be especially painful in the "early days" of patch 0.23 when there are no cores for sale and only certain players are even able to produce them. The you not only lose your ship but can't do anything about it blazemonger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkAster Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Its a red herring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 I have a ship xs size that is like a Taxi to get from a to b swift. That thing while being a good ship when I park it sometimes it starts to dance like crazy and destroys the core. Things like this happen all the time in different Scenarios I think this change will leave a sour and bitter feeling when it happens again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elitez Posted December 9, 2020 Author Share Posted December 9, 2020 18 minutes ago, Lethys said: this will be especially painful in the "early days" of patch 0.23 when there are no cores for sale and only certain players are even able to produce them. The you not only lose your ship but can't do anything about it Yes, exactly this is the reason they shouldnt add more burden on support shoulders, on players, etc. They can do whatever they want with it in few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazemonger Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 27 minutes ago, Elitez said: There is something wrong about this feature considering your core can easily be destroyed by non player maneuvers. That is putting it mildly.. this change is straight up decided on by someone completely disconnected from the game.. It's about as stupid as stupid gets But it's also very NQ.. ad-hoc choices without any consideration for consequences. Whoever thought this was a good idea should have a rather strongly worded talk with their manager and have their decision making abilities reconsidered.. merihim, Mordgier and Anopheles 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emptiness Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Why the "with scrap" addition? We know that repair units could(/can?) repair elements using parts. What if cores can be also restored with a repair unit with parts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elitez Posted December 9, 2020 Author Share Posted December 9, 2020 @blazemon its too agressive and not needed right now. I would give it a week or two to check stability of ships, thats it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazemonger Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Oh, these changes wil get dialed back.. unless NQ wants to end the game by January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elitez Posted December 9, 2020 Author Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Emptiness said: Why the "with scrap" addition? We know that repair units could(/can?) repair elements using parts. What if cores can be also restored with a repair unit with parts? Its not the system of how to repair it... Its the agressive attitude towards the remaining playerbase on a buggy mechanic on patch day 1. Thats it. Study the patch, study the reports > If landing/agg landing changes are ok > introduce it at the next server restart. They will be overwhelmed by messages, requests denied and players upset if something goes wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underhook Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1st of heard of it, was this recently announced? Its going to be very harsh on new players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rahzig Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Maybe it is a translation thing. I hope it means " Scrap is no longer required to repair cores. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elitez Posted December 9, 2020 Author Share Posted December 9, 2020 9 minutes ago, Rahzig said: Maybe it is a translation thing. I hope it means " Scrap is no longer required to repair cores. " Yup. Repair tool + New Core needed for all ships who have their core destroyed (not damaged) part of the Permanent Element Damage patch. We have it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mornington Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 16 minutes ago, Elitez said: Yup. Repair tool + New Core needed for all ships who have their core destroyed (not damaged) part of the Permanent Element Damage patch. We have it now. Big question here is what happens to damage on cores that are not destroyed? Big difference between 50 HP for an XS core and 11,000 plus HP for an L core. But if you can't fix damage at all, any damage is going to cost a new core, or you're flying a ship with a greater chance of going dead on you from grazing a rock that rendered out of nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazemonger Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Here's a thought.. If NQ is consistent in this (which I somehow doubt), when I replace a core form a ship I did not build, it should change the creator to me as I made and placed the (new) core Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadSlapper Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Has anyone else noticed they seem to have weakened the ships about 2 weeks ago? I have had some wild and wonderful complete destructions like landing on a pad, relogging as none of my other ships were visible and witnessing the ship fall 5 m (it was on to another of my platforms) and blow completely up and destroy every single element. Landing on a space station last week I clipped the edge of the landing pad at 1kph and Boom complete destruction of every single element. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukyi1337 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 First the Economy have to be stable, after that NQ can add Permadeath to cores its pointless to do it right now. Nobody will fly ships that they cant replace --> Economy will not grow fast --> small groups/solo player will leave the game couse they dont can do anything ! Conclusion: NQ SHOULD DELAY THE CORE PERMADEATH TWO WEEKS FROM NOW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeKing Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 I literally smashed my ship up EVERY time I re-entered Alioths atmosphere for weeks - just couldnt get the hang of it. This will literally ground every newbie and then theres no way to be able to afford to replace them. There definitely should be a flying school in the tutorial and some indication of the atmosphere heights on each planet, assuming of course that all new players wont be doomed to a life gathering rocks on Sanctuary.... Mordgier 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fra119 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 hour ago, JoeKing said: I literally smashed my ship up EVERY time I re-entered Alioths atmosphere for weeks - just couldnt get the hang of it. This will literally ground every newbie and then theres no way to be able to afford to replace them. There definitely should be a flying school in the tutorial and some indication of the atmosphere heights on each planet, assuming of course that all new players wont be doomed to a life gathering rocks on Sanctuary.... I probably crashed every single ship I built when testing how much load they could handle, especially when re-entering atmosphere. I dunno, it's almost like they want us to not use ships at all. Alpinesun and JoeKing 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadSlapper Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 hour ago, JoeKing said: I literally smashed my ship up EVERY time I re-entered Alioths atmosphere for weeks - just couldnt get the hang of it. This will literally ground every newbie and then theres no way to be able to afford to replace them. There definitely should be a flying school in the tutorial and some indication of the atmosphere heights on each planet, assuming of course that all new players wont be doomed to a life gathering rocks on Sanctuary.... There is (was) an atmospheric flight part to the tutorial they had stage 1 and 2 up , stage 3 (space?) was missing. It was pretty simple stuff get in to one of their ships, take off, fly to waypoints and I suppose there was a landing part but that was bugged and I kept dc-ing during the fly by way points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpinesun Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 As a new player (stated this week) this is probably going to get boring very quickly...oh well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hills Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Alpinesun said: As a new player (stated this week) this is probably going to get boring very quickly...oh well... you not even know what's up .. if you knew it, you'd instantly drop the game Mordgier 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpinesun Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 11 hours ago, Captain Hills said: you not even know what's up .. if you knew it, you'd instantly drop the game I have. I just unsubbed. No you can't have my stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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