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A credible source said DU might wipe, heres the reasoning as well as my thoughts


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3 hours ago, GraXXoR said:

It’s funny seeing new players make these *exact same posts we did* years later and the points still completely unaddressed.
 

They just started playing but already realise it. It’s like Groundhog Day all over again.

Besides the unfortunate schematics and triangle cockpit glass, how has DU actually changed, really, over an entire year? An entire year. 

 

Just think about that .... if they needed YEARS to finally figure out how to make triangle glass ... then what about everything else ... *SHUDDER* :D

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Hahaha your credible source needs to keep me in the loop. I've heard nothing about a wipe! 🤷‍♀️

I think its the most stupid thing ever: a wipe. You mean to tell me that all the time we said: no kids/wife/friends, dad/buddy is playing a game right now is for nothing. My friends/kids/wife have wai

It’s funny seeing new players make these *exact same posts we did* years later and the points still completely unaddressed.   They just started playing but already realise it. It’s like Groundh

i think they just dont have the manpower for everything. player numbers drop from alltime low to alltime low. not enough money and i believe its getting harder and harder to find good devs with the skills needed and that problem have many companys nowadays. the (created) world situation make things worse and if you ask me its over for many many companys not only in gaming. its time to move on from gaming and get out to defend your human rights and freedom. sounds cringy i know but if you are not a sheep you know exactly what i mean.

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On 2/4/2021 at 10:22 AM, Niemand said:

i think they just dont have the manpower for everything. player numbers drop from alltime low to alltime low. not enough money and i believe its getting harder and harder to find good devs with the skills needed and that problem have many companys nowadays. the (created) world situation make things worse and if you ask me its over for many many companys not only in gaming. its time to move on from gaming and get out to defend your human rights and freedom. sounds cringy i know but if you are not a sheep you know exactly what i mean.

jeezus, not this...

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On 2/4/2021 at 3:37 AM, GraXXoR said:

Besides the unfortunate schematics and triangle cockpit glass, how has DU actually changed, really, over an entire year? An entire year. 

Changed maybe yes. But to put it in perspective, Has it progressed in a positive way? Sadly i have to conclude thats a big no. And even worse it systematically is killing  and possibility to actually build a community, killed the community page, favored some over others. When we could build mass industry everyone was working together to make it happen, and yes everyone also build a private industry alongside of their orgs large setup. But it was building community, then we got schematics and another sceme and now most orgs are just picking up daily quanta and ignore DU for the rest.

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Wipe and you'll lose most your base fans. Yeah maybe the 15 guys from Alpha will stay but the people who were actually interested in checking this game out from say an advertisement or word of mouth wont bother. No he didn't expressly say there wouldn't be a wipe but JC made it very clear he has no intention to wipe unless it is absolutely necessary and that's why I and many others are still here. I've spent the better part of a month and a half building a community ship museum to show case designs and if its gone I'm going to flip tf out. I for one didn't come here to play a wipe I have well over a thousand hours into this and if you take away what I've built then I'm out. If they wipe I better keep my skills, my quanta, magic bps of EVERYTHING I own or its deuces and I will do my absolute best to ward off anyone remotely interested in this game cause this "beta" has already been ridiculous enough.

 

Yes schematics were a set back, but they are here and we are still playing it, keep playing around with stuff at that kind of level, i.e. wipe, and you won't have players to even consider discussing the subject of a wipe. All you cry babies whining we need a wipe because of such and such has too much quanta, stfu if they wipe and its doesn't completely destroy the population, those same guys are going to flock to any exploit they possibly can to get an advantage and will be billionaires within a month or 2 anyways. Any game that is this open world will have exploits there's no way around it and the only reason you are crying wipe is because you are a scrub. Just git gud. The people not crying wipe are the ones trying to build things in game that will be there for ever like the different monuments, libraries, super space stations, race tracks etc take away their time and effort and you take away your real player base, the ones that can get over the little hiccups because they no at least their sh*t will be there tomorrow.     

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24 minutes ago, iNFiDeL said:

Wipe and you'll lose most your base fans. Yeah maybe the 15 guys from Alpha will stay but the people who were actually interested in checking this game out from say an advertisement or word of mouth wont bother. No he didn't expressly say there wouldn't be a wipe but JC made it very clear he has no intention to wipe unless it is absolutely necessary and that's why I and many others are still here. I've spent the better part of a month and a half building a community ship museum to show case designs and if its gone I'm going to flip tf out. I for one didn't come here to play a wipe I have well over a thousand hours into this and if you take away what I've built then I'm out. If they wipe I better keep my skills, my quanta, magic bps of EVERYTHING I own or its deuces and I will do my absolute best to ward off anyone remotely interested in this game cause this "beta" has already been ridiculous enough.

 

Yes schematics were a set back, but they are here any we are still playing it, keep playing around with stuff at that kind of level, i.e. wipe, and you won't have players to even consider discussing the subject of a wipe. All you cry babies whining we need a wipe because of such and such has too much quanta, stfu if they wipe and its doesn't completely destroy the population, those same guys are going to flock to any exploit they possibly can to get an advantage and will be billionaires within a month or 2 anyways. Any game that is this open world will have exploits there's no way around it and the only reason you are crying wipe is because you are a scrub. Just git gud. The people not crying wipe are the ones trying to build things in game that will be there for ever like the different monuments, libraries, super space stations, race tracks etc take away their time and effort and you take away your real player base, the ones that can get over the little hiccups because they no at least their sh*t will be there tomorrow.     

On the one hand you want to build community, on the other hand you insult those who made the game possible on Kickstarter with the pledge for you. The people who are rightly complaining here have been here for a few years and have probably had a bit more to do with NQ and DU than you have in your short time. 

In principle, you yourself are the problem of the whole misery. 

 

I have no choice but to pillory NQ's behaviour. The community is very divided and that's a shame. We have a lot of old players who are no longer positive about the company and I can't blame them because problems have not been addressed for several years and now everyone is promising or expecting a miracle cure or that the community wants to solve the company's problems (for free mind you!). To me, the optimism of the new ones is also a breath of fresh air. On the other hand, we must not forget where we come from. If this balancing act between Kickstarter and today is not achieved, I see no hope for the future. You don't help by not trying to understand what the problem is. But first you swing the club and insult everyone. That's what I call gg.


I didn't even know a fetus could talk. So if you are the "real playerbase" with your attitude, then I honestly don't want to be a part of it and apply for my refund with what I invested 4 years ago. 

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1 minute ago, SirJohn85 said:

On the one hand you want to build community, on the other hand you insult those who made the game possible on Kickstarter with the pledge for you. The people who are rightly complaining here have been here for a few years and have probably had a bit more to do with NQ and DU than you have in your short time. 

In principle, you yourself are the problem of the whole misery. 

 

I have no choice but to pillory NQ's behaviour. The community is very divided and that's a shame. We have a lot of old players who are no longer positive about the company and I can't blame them because problems have not been addressed for several years and now everyone is promising or expecting a miracle cure or that the community wants to solve the company's problems (for free mind you!). To me, the optimism of the new ones is also a breath of fresh air. On the other hand, we must not forget where we come from. If this balancing act between Kickstarter and today is not achieved, I see no hope for the future. You don't help by not trying to understand what the problem is. But first you swing the club and insult everyone. That's what I call gg.


I didn't even know a fetus could talk. So if you are the "real playerbase" with your attitude, then I honestly don't want to be a part of it and apply for my refund with what I invested 4 years ago. 

How am I insulting the guys who kickstarted the game?! I respect some of you aren't happy but the few alpha backers aren't going to support the game enough to keep it afloat if they wipe. NQ has already scared off a ton of the player base that came at launch of beta for several different reason, but the few of us left are still here on the near promise of no wipe.

 

Don't put that bs on me I don't cause anyone misery so get over yourself. I didn't make a patch that obsoleted everyone's factory killing off like half the pop in 1 day and I didn't release near game breaking updates that are throwing the in game economy into disarray. I'm trying to stay hopeful with the current run of the game and all you wipe hype whiners are crying cause someone has something you don't. There is nothing in this game that is currently game breaking so why else do you want a wipe besides that fact? Guy A has more than I have so I want a wipe. That's what I'm hearing. Also your low blow fetus comment you can shove it up your back side and that's not an insult to the alpha backers that's an insult to you SirJohn85. Yes the game has somethings that need changed but if you wipe those same issues will still be present, all that will change you guys who aren't as good can get a fresh new start, and then cry wipe again a couple weeks over when another inevitable exploit is found. 

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2 minutes ago, iNFiDeL said:

How am I insulting the guys who kickstarted the game?!

There was nothing wrong with your post up to the point I highlighted in the previous post. You switched from the factual to the personal level and lost your cool. 

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Just now, SirJohn85 said:

There was nothing wrong with your post up to the point I highlighted in the previous post. You switched from the factual to the personal level and lost your cool. 

Didn't make it personal I didn't point out a single individual besides you now. I pointed out a fact. Every other week there is someone pushing this wipe hype rumor and I'm calling those guys out telling them to stfu cause its actually harming the population. I know of 2 new players myself, which are rare to find in the first place, that have quit simply because they have heard some type of wipe rumor in discord. Their reason? I don't want to play if my progress will be wiped.    

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19 minutes ago, iNFiDeL said:

Didn't make it personal I didn't point out a single individual besides you now. I pointed out a fact. Every other week there is someone pushing this wipe hype rumor and I'm calling those guys out telling them to stfu cause its actually harming the population. I know of 2 new players myself, which are rare to find in the first place, that have quit simply because they have heard some type of wipe rumor in discord. Their reason? I don't want to play if my progress will be wiped.    

There are people (myself included) that wanted to wipe at first exploit. Now I think it was a mistake and instead the wipe should be towards the end of the beta just before "release".

 

However it wasn't about spreading a rumor it was just about talking about it.

 

This OP post is the only that can be considered a rumor.

 

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20 minutes ago, LuckyZz said:

I dont care of people beeing extra rich, they are like Npc's with infinite ressources for me. Problem is that they f*ck the market even more than the bots. Remove schematics and we dont need to make money, problem solved.

Shematics are way to specialize people in some areas so they have to play with other people and can't be autonomous.

It work great in EvE for industrials since they have to be specialized in it. PvP / PvE players are specialized in combat and so buy from industrial players and that create a interresting market. Same for explorers.

 

However it got introduced so early in DU when you just have like 4 activities:  PvP (for fun), mining, industrial and builders.

It will be ok when activities grow in numbers.

 

I think the problem with extra rich people and orgs will start when map control will be a thing and some orgs are just gonna dominate the map.

 

Edit: You could add trade as activity.

 

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I agree I think schematics are a good idea, though I wasn't a fan at first. They definitely should have been implemented before beta started not 3 months in, but regardless I think they force a level of investment to be able to compete in the market which is fair. Again I can't emphasize it enough though, it should have been before beta launch not months in, I'm pretty sure .23 was the biggest loss of the players aside from the typical beta first 2 weeks hype train.

 

Even with .23 and the following super cheap schematics incident I still see no legitimate excuse for a wipe though NQ definitely should have done a roll back as soon as they made that mistake for sure but still you really aren't competing for anything in this game so no reason to wipe. This game is already pointless to be frank, their is not really an end game it is just purely a fun fairly sandbox like MMO to build in with some other side things to get involved in like pvp. It is what you make it, nothing more nothing less. No matter how much ahead someone is in quanta, ore etc you can always go mine and build exactly what you want, unless its a tower of Titanium since all the ilmenite is gone but that's another topic in itself. 

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Why DU has to be like Eve... 

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When you Up all the talents (to save money) to make.. let's say  warpcells... you become able to make all T3's (while "saving money"), I dont see any specialization. If you can make XS engines, you are very near to be able to make XL engines. It is not specialisation, it is just made to slow people (building end game things) and to make them use the market. All that coding should have been used in new content.

Schematics could come back later when they will be made by players, when they really add something.

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3 minutes ago, LuckyZz said:

Schematics incident is a drop in the ocean of bug exploits.

Truth, and a wipe isn't going to change that or any other future bugs/exploits. There will be more guaranteed, so instead of wiping fix the bugs and drive on.

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32 minutes ago, LuckyZz said:

Why DU has to be like Eve... 

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When you Up all the talents (to save money) to make.. let's say  warpcells... you become able to make all T3's (while "saving money"), I dont see any specialization. If you can make XS engines, you are very near to be able to make XL engines. It is not specialisation, it is just made to slow people (building end game things) and to make them use the market. All that coding should have been used in new content.

Schematics could come back later when they will be made by players, when they really add something.

DU since alpha was sold as an EvE like economy with custom ships and stations.

 

T2 Schematics (the important ones) in EvE drop from exploration content and PvE (not sold by NPCs).

You can buy them from market since exploration players sell them, also people can copy permanent schematics into a version with limited usages.

T2 permanent/usages are very expensive. T1 are way cheaper and are sold by bots or PvE (not sure on this one) but have worse stats.

You shouldn't see T2 as mandatory tho, T2 is like for "special occasions", when you are sure you won't go boom, T1 is always revelant since people use it for yolo ing.

 

The idea is to introduce new crafts via shematics so you can expand content as the game goes on.

 

Also keep in mind that EvE talents are way more time expensive and you need more, it forces specialization, you can't be a good PvPer and a Industrial at the same time in less than a year. You have to see DU talents as a nerfed EvE talents that's why you just see only the "made to slow down people" part.

It's the industrial talents + market talents + price/access to T1/T2 + general game knowledge that makes industrial gameplay a specialization.

 

However in EvE you have way more content that cover your "specialization period" so you progress in skill and in game wealth while doing it, you just don't rush T2.

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On 2/3/2021 at 5:14 PM, blazemonger said:

 

Getting your talent points back and having blueprints of your constructs will be quite the "compensation".

 

Not really.  My talent points are just a function of how long I've been in the game.  And blueprints are OK if you're someone who has been making a lot of things and wants to make them again.  I do have some blueprints I've built up that I would take and they do represent some effort.  But most of the effort I put in was into manufacturing and trading and that would all be lost.  I would have more or less the same as someone who played 1/10th as much if just blueprints and talent points are counted.  Someone who was mega-active mining and selling to bots but joined 2 months ago would get next to nothing ...

On 2/3/2021 at 5:14 PM, blazemonger said:

Your experience so far wil allow you to rebuild pretty quickly.

It won't magically replace my quanta will it?

On 2/3/2021 at 5:14 PM, blazemonger said:

Also for NQ, doing a wipe may well be a good move commercially when you need to carry blueprint son you as many who left may resub to do that.

I don't like this sort of 'holding former players to ransom for their stuff' type of behaviour.  Eve did that recently and as a result there are players who lost all their stuff (which they had left safe) while absent and players who didn't.  The ones who lost all their stuff are pretty unlikely to resub IMO and for the rest of us that would be a big signal that NQ does not value the effort we put into the game trying to build up our assets!

 

Really if they want people to put a lot of effort into civilisation building they should be showing us that they respect and value the effort we put in rather than constantly devaluing and eroding it.

 

On 2/3/2021 at 5:14 PM, blazemonger said:

I honestly expect the number of players returning and/or those staying will far outweigh the few that will leave..

 

Yes, at the moment a lot the 'civilisation building' types of people are inactive and it has become 'mining to bot orders universe'.  Perhaps some of the new features will get people back but I suspect they'll just break stuff or let peoples' bases get blown up while they're inactive (unless they come back and mine to bot orders to be able to afford to defend or move their stuff).  Once it's all sorted out and they think they have a balanced game, a wipe and some free game time for the ones who had assets would be a great fresh start for those who were alienated and could kickstart the civilisation building again.

 

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Have you ever played a mmo with no wipe after beta?

lets think of Aion, WoW, LoL,EvE  and then on day one when you enter the game planning to storm the PvP ladder you find out some players are already at max lvl.

Frankly the promises there would be No wipe should never have been made if the staff knew they were not going to uphold their own rules and would accept any exploit or error on their part with No consequences what so ever.

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19 hours ago, Zeddrick said:

Yes, at the moment a lot the 'civilisation building' types of people are inactive and it has become 'mining to bot orders universe'. 

Its complex issue. 

 

NQ kinda lost initial hypetrain over civilization building/organizational gameplay early on (via slow development and unsufficient social tools). Just check org section forums over 2016-2017 -- a lot of activity, interesting, quality content, drama (rerely, if ever, seen now). People you never see again. Wasted. Ultra-social "civ builders" types are quite sensetive lot, so they left in chain reaction of loosing interest, when understood, that their grand plans are in years from possibility to be even started.

 

"Mining universe" is where construct builders and so called industrialists can survive (even thrive), yet they mostly self-centered and lack any serious ambition or motivation to do civilization. They are happy with their full containers/billions or another fancy ship to show and brag about. Sure, some cooperate in their local "villages" but this never goes futher.

 

PvPers who are from both worlds kinda (social, but also "materialistic") in complicated, borderline position, this is quite observable in PvP/territory wars discussions.

 

 

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you have a point, Most civilization builders left after the community page was shot down. The state of the game and the overly glitchy RDMS system did no good, the impossibility to make alliances did no good. there is no stage to show off your civilization now since the news war where some people behind the news were banned or heavy warned.

Ingame building a city is pretty useless now with no RDMD system simple for small objects, no mergable cores, no player markets no simple infrastructure.

 

All these points were discussed over and over on the idea section and other posts. But they are discarded, and by that the community that tried to bind players into civilization turned into individualism. and with trying to get them back in groups all sort of things were thought up, like schematics. but that does not work, specially not if you let people exploid the economy and get away with it.

If, for example, schematics could be researched by alliances or groups of orgs (first we would need to have the function to make alliances ingame, we only have the option to make orgs member of other orgs) Then working together to research schematics would be incentive to actually form alliances and larger orgs, If then the schematics would still be sell-able on the market the organizations would have set pricing on the time they needed to actually research it.  Ideas were offered, ideas were discarded.  But we did get about 20 flight overhauls what effectively did nothing to the game exept making All BP trash and make flying and designing a living hell unless you have lua knowledge and free time to redesign a ship 20 times.

 

Do we need a wipe?   General game development cycles say we do.  But what we need more is a followed roadmap and added features that make gaming fun and not frustrating to even log in. Solutions on principles and lore ideas and not, add a cash sink solution (your not the government right? Thats always their way to push population, add tax to what you dont want and free cash to what you do want. a losers strategy, and governmental)

 

we dont need a wipe, we need a company that does as it preaches. So use an exploit, face the consequences. If NQ dares to Ban the head of DSI with one of the highest active players for defending himself, What is so special about the persons exploiding the last error and even selling it on internet?

Trust me, we dont want to know

 

 

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I think at this point NQ (behind doors) likely to regret their decision to kinda promise "no wipe".

 

If we look retrospectivly, it given them very little -- playerbase still sharply dropped (with all other accompanying consequences) . Yet, at same time, took away from them ability to go more agressive with new features/changes and overall maneurability of development. Now they binded themselfs to sort of 2 chairs sitting limbo, when they need to move forward in dangerous balancing spots, but not make too much mistakes, and its hard (like 0.23 issues). And many people totaly eat their liver if actualy resort to wipe (still a possibility).

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