THE FUTURE OF DUAL UNIVERSE - Discussion thread

[Atmosph3rik]

1 hour ago, Vazqez said:

I don't agree with the rules of the game, that's why I don't subscribe.
I want to help NQ
I want to help DU.

 

That's great that you want to help.  But you seem to be ignoring the fact that games usually have objectives and obstacles in them.

 

PvP isn't just an activity you can do in DU, it's an obstacle to your progress.  There are other paths to progress where PvP isn't an obstacle.  But turning off PvP means turning off that obstacle.

 

What you are asking for is the equivalent of playing Super Mario Bros and then complaining to Nintendo that you paid real money for the game, and you shouldn't have to make Mario jump over all of these obstacles.

 

Some games allow you to cheat.  But online multiplayer games usually do not.

 

There are other paths that you can follow to progress in DU that don't involve PvP.  But if you want to follow the PvP path you have to jump over the PvP obstacles.

 

There's no rule requiring you to do PvP missions or mine PvP asteroids.  That's an option.

[Vazqez]

1 hour ago, Atmosph3rik said:

There's no rule requiring you to do PvP missions or mine PvP asteroids.  That's an option.

 

And that's where you're wrong, my friend. It's not an option, it's just an ultimatum.
Which can be formulated as follows.

If you do not agree to PVP, you will not be able to fly the ship to other planets.
or you won't dig up any asteroids.

Repeating with PVP this option is cheating.

[Wyndle]

The former then.

 

You are not the only person who has told NQ about problems with PvP.  There are many other problems that others have told NQ about from the very beginning, yet they still ended up at this point.  It is a years long running gag that NQ doesn't listen to the forums. 

 

Thanks for trying.

[Hecticus]

On 9/17/2023 at 3:38 PM, Vazqez said:

If you do not agree to PVP, you will not be able to fly the ship to other planets.
or you won't dig up any asteroids.

This is the biggest misconception about PVP.

radar range is 2 SU. As long as you don’t fly in a straight line between planets, your chances of getting ganked are negligible. There just aren’t enough pirates out there to cover the possible routes. Space is huge.

 

Asteroids.. so imagine, there are dozens of asteroids out there. And the travel time between them is 20 minutes to an hour or more, assuming you had them all mapped out by proximity. Now imagine you are a pirate. And you know there is someone out there mining one of these asteroids. But you don’t know which one. Are you going to spend your whole allotment of playtime for that day flying from one empty asteroid to the next, hoping to catch a miner. ?

If you are mining an asteroid close to the safezone, or an exotic, there is a good chance that a pirate will come along eventually. There are lots of people out here in disposable haulers getting ore. Getting caught by pirates is rare. This is experience btw, not theory. 
 

I am  not interested in pvp (in this game anyway), so I don’t pvp. The effect of pvp on the non pvp population is dramatically overblown imo.
 

-in before “ I can’t get plasma without joining legion”.  None of the people who typically complain about pvp have any use for that anyway.

[Hecticus]

Having said all that; I did almost quit when they nerfed core speeds to accommodate pvp gameplay. There have been plenty of conflicts between the playstyles and I don’t think all the complaints are invalid. Just the one I quoted in the post above.

[Vazqez]

19 hours ago, Hecticus said:

This is the biggest misconception about PVP.

radar range is 2 SU. As long as you don’t fly in a straight line between planets, your chances of getting ganked are negligible. There just aren’t enough pirates out there to cover the possible routes. Space is huge.

 

The conclusion is that pirates are a problem and you have to fly away from the routes.
But you wrote that it's only a matter of the number of pirates to completely prevent others from playing,

You described the current state of the game, which is poor thanks to the actions of PVP players.

I am writing about changing the philosophy of PVP.

PVP can take place anywhere, provided that each party agrees to PVP.

A PVP player wouldn't have to fly for hours without a xel when PVP could take place anywhere.

[Koffye]

If pvp is the reason people stop playing, then it's not the player's fault, it's the fault of a poor implementation by the developer.

[Atmosph3rik]

9 hours ago, Vazqez said:

The conclusion is that pirates are a problem and you have to fly away from the routes.
But you wrote that it's only a matter of the number of pirates to completely prevent others from playing,

You described the current state of the game, which is poor thanks to the actions of PVP players.

 

My conclusion is that your confusing gameplay with problems.

 

The pirates are supposed to be a problem.  You don't have to try to solve that problem if you don't want to.  But you can't have the reward associated with solving the problem, unless you solve the problem.

 

There are other ways to earn Quanta in the game.  But you're going to be expected to solve some problems there too.

 

If they did allow you to turn PvP off.  They would obviously need to rebalance the reward for those asteroids and missions, because they would be too easy.  And they would undermine all the other activities in the game.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Vazqez]

28 minutes ago, Atmosph3rik said:

f they did allow you to turn PvP off.  They would obviously need to rebalance the reward for those asteroids and missions, because they would be too easy.  And they would undermine all the other activities in the game.

You're wrong again, my friend.

Nothing needs to be balanced.

To destroy a ship in PVP, you only need a maximum of 5 minutes

It takes 2-3 hours to dig up an asteroid and it doesn't involve pressing the FIRE button.

Talking about risk and reward is an empty platitude.

What counts is the time actively devoted to gaming.

[Atmosph3rik]

2 hours ago, Vazqez said:

Talking about risk and reward is an empty platitude.

 

The size of the reward was balanced to match the current amount of risk.  That's just a fact.

 

Asking NQ to remove the risk and give you the reward anyway is the same as asking NQ to just put the Quanta in your wallet.

 

If you don't care about the Quanta, which you said at the beginning of this discussion, then you don't need to do the parts of the game that involve PvP.

 

You can just leave them to the people who DO want to do PvP.

 

That shouldn't affect you.

[Vazqez]

1 hour ago, Atmosph3rik said:

 

You can just leave them to the people who DO want to do PvP.

 

That shouldn't affect you.

Well, that's the point. Except that the current game philosophy does not allow turning off PVP.

Currently, you are forced to participate in PVP whether you want to or not.

It's possible that the translator isn't working properly, so I'll simplify it.

player A turns on PVP
player B turns on PVP
player C does not enable PVP

A and B can fight.
  A and C can't fight
B and C cannot fight.

It can't be simpler.

Risk and reward are empty words.

 

The only thing that counts is the time spent actively playing.

 

[Tordan]

On 9/23/2023 at 5:00 PM, Vazqez said:

Currently, you are forced to participate in PVP whether you want to or not.

 

This is just categorically untrue.  I have over 9000 hours of enjoyment into this game and I have never done ANY PvP, except for a few test battles on the PTS