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At this point I see absolutely no .. ahem… point in making any new suggestions or wish lists. 
 
it’s just imaginary what ifs and pie in the sky. 
 
they’ve been given years worth of suggestions in every aspect of the game but are so, so far behind their original vision that it would take a decade just to implement the basics. 
 

At this point I see absolutely no .. ahem… point in making any new suggestions or wish lists. 
 
it’s just imaginary what ifs and pie in the sky. 
 
they’ve been given years worth of suggestions in every aspect of the game but are so, so far behind their original vision that it would take a decade just to implement the basics. 
 

At this point I see absolutely no .. ahem… point in making any new suggestions or wish lists. 
 
it’s just imaginary what ifs and pie in the sky. 
 
they’ve been given years worth of suggestions in every aspect of the game but are so, so far behind their original vision that it would take a decade just to implement the basics. 
 

At this point I see absolutely no .. ahem… point in making any new suggestions or wish lists. 
 
it’s just imaginary what ifs and pie in the sky. 
 
they’ve been given years worth of suggestions in every aspect of the game but are so, so far behind their original vision that it would take a decade just to implement the basics. 
 

Just going to fire this back at you based one how I interpret what you have said to me in this thread, and see if we are on the same page.

1. I have a reached my own conclusion, and you feel I am using it to manipulate the community.
2. You think I am too dumb to grasp point 1, cause you used some psychology terms. No one with your level of intellectual superiority would reach my conclusion on NQ.
3. Due to lack of information provided by NQ or some how discovered myself, keep my perception on the situation to myself, cause only those in the know should have a voice.

4. Would you rather be eaten by a bear or wolf? Don't both result in the death of the community? My expressing my feelings is no less harmful than NQ witholding info on wipe after announcing it. They should have never announced it until they had the details figured out, or been transparent immediately after announcement, simple.

5. Many of us have done this already, and it gets ignored. Additionally I have started attaching proposed ways to remedy the situations in my posts, which also gets ignored.
    The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again knowing it won't work. 

6. I think still being here pointing out problems is effort, otherwise I would just abandon the game like so many others have been told to do
    if they don't like NQ's lack of community transparency, and won't be a relentless cheerleader.

7. Resistance is futile, and any negative criticism of all mighty NQ is blasphemous fodder.
    (You do realize pointing out what is broken and what isn't working doesn't automatically = disrespect right?)

8. What is less than nothing? nothing. That is why pressure should be applied. Cause they have had MONTHS to be forthcoming with information on wipe, and they haven't.
    Plus as said before they set this ball in motion when they made the wipe discussion announcement whilst being unprepared to give us the details we need.

9. The relationship with NQ/Dev Team, etc. hasn't been healthy for a while now, and that is why they are catching negative feedback.
    Cause people are tired of trying to make suggestions, be ignored, and have things we never asked for shoved on us.


 

The environment created by NQ's information vacuum is like trying to grow plants exposed to the vacuum space with current technology. They are in control of the environment, and thus killing the community by refusing to provide the tools (oxygen), and information (nutrients), and support (water) the community needs to thrive.

But thanks for blaming for blaming our dying community on a single person making negative comments... I am 100% sure my forum posts are why no one is enjoying the absolutely thrilling pre-wipe in game content at the moment. If I could only stop posting then thousands of players would return and none of the issues from the last 20 updates or bad game mechanics would even exist... geez. 

You are way overthinking this, you fit the NQ culture very well I'd say ..
 
Your reaction also seems to imply you choose to just go with whatever NQ tells you and take it for the truth, discarding anything to the contrary, no matter how logical it can be deducted. And you're perfectly entitled to do so, even when I find that to be very naive.  But then continue and basically smear those who do objectively look at what is happening and apply what they know and have studied to it to come to what is far more an educated guess than a (wild) speculation seems well out of line. 
 
Obviously, I can't say you are including my opinion in your accusation here, but I would certainly not agree that I formed my opinion based on pure speculation. I have seen what is happening here way to often in the past decades and have been actively involved in such processes enough to be able to make a worst an educated guess, which as I see it is not speculation at all.
 

That's not how fire works.
 
As far as mixed metaphors go, I think we have ourselves a winner. LOL.
 
But yes, I meet far more players on the forum than I do actually in game.

If you search the forum you'll find your suggestion has been... erm... suggested before.

This suggestion was made just over a year ago and in much more detail... And that thread itself was actually a compilation of some even earlier threads by myself and others dating right back to the alpha...

NQ have shown zero interest in improving this aspect of the game...


My summary post:


Am I the only one who want an XS Space fuel tank? I'm fed up of having to cart a massive barrel of lard around with me just to use Vertical Thrusters.
Also, while you're at it, could I have some super cool XS hover pads... Maybe half the size and power of the current ones (say 2 x 2 voxels or something)  so we can put one front and back or on each corner of a transport and not have it look like a meth cooking-spoon?
This would be great for some truly minimal, and maybe even speedy, personal transport!
 
XS size components

— XS Size space fuel tank
— XS Size hover engines
— XS Brakes
— XS Space Fuel Tanks
— XS Rocket Boosters
— XS Space Brakes
— XS Control seat for motorbike like constructs
 
M Size
 
— full sized M wings for M construct. 
 
L size components
 
— L Ailerons and Compact Ailerons
— L Wings
— L Stabilisers
— Full sized wings for L construct.
 
MOAR XL size components
 
— XL Atmospheric Engines
— XL Hover Engines
— XL Vertical Boosters
— XL Wings ailerons and stabilisers. etc.
 
— XL Cores? YES PLEASE.  <--- This is apparently beyond the capabilities of the devs and has been explicitly stated will not happen.

The character creation in DU is laughable, especially for an MMO.. 
It's of those "initial implementations" that was supposed to be worked out during alpha.
 
Slapping some color on a suit really equates to nothing. And on top of that I really liked the first iteration of the suit, with the cloth patches, far better than the skin tight suit with the weird helmet design we have now. That just looks terrible and it makes the game even more sterile and unpersonal than it already is.
 
I'm not asking for EVE level customisations here but what we have now is just not  adequate at all.

That's not how that works. The big guys with the largest factories who would get "energy" from alts and people in their group would produce everything, and would undercut everyone else's pricing due to "free" ore coming in from those same alts and group members. It's nigh impossible for a solo player to compete in a system where you artificially stop/slow down industry by tying it to an account/accounts. It just makes whaling even more profitable than it already is (new mission system + cores). Energy systems were something they were talking about in the alpha on a per core basis, but has long since been scrapped like a lot of other things. We are not going to see "huge" game changing releases post launch, as they wont be able to have any way of wiping post launch and this last patch was the last major patch per NQ before release. We may see some small changes and some "added content" post release along with whatever scale wipe they plan to do + the pseudo lua wipe.

HAY NQ I have some FEEDBACK for you.
 
Without going into pvp and getting this plasma, there is absolutely no reason for me to get tier 5 ore.  I can't make anything except for scrap, honeycomb, and parts for elements I can't make.  Why does EVERY single tier 5 item require this plasma stuff?  I can't even make a bonsai or a container without it.
 
Even worse, because Warp Beacons use the same plasma as the containers do, and with how many people want to make warp beacons with it, I'll never ever be able to make a tier 5 container.  This is some pretty awful design in my opinion and I want you to know that.  Please reconsider this plasma stuff being required for every single tier 5 element in the game.  It's actually really awful design for the large number of us who don't enjoy the pvp in this game.  PvP is not the only way to enjoy this game.
 
EDIT:  Adding the following
Why is there not a new 6th tier of "Alien" items that need the plasma instead of completely making T5 ore completely useless to people and ruining the already existing industry for T5 items?

Examine the subtlety in their language...
 
"We hear your concerns..."
 
As I kid, I would often hear my teacher speaking... but it didn't mean I was actually listening to him.

Examine the subtlety in their language...
 
"We hear your concerns..."
 
As I kid, I would often hear my teacher speaking... but it didn't mean I was actually listening to him.

Really, you're going to keep arguing wipe-vs-no-wipe after 40 pages of discussion on the original thread rather than uniting around 'FFS just get it done'?
 
I'm sure you are as aware as I am that very few people are playing the game at the moment because most people are waiting on a decision (and possibly the wipe to happen)?  It doesn't matter whether or not I think a wipe is a crap decision or not.  I think delaying the announcement of a wipe is a crap decision because they will launch a game where new players rock up and see a bunch of annoyed vets ranting about a wipe and all the other things players rant about when they're annoyed about something.
 
It's a crap plan.
 
And they need to get a better one.

FUD is usually spread by "bad actors" but in this case it feels like NQ themselves are the ones filling us with Fear for the future, Uncertainty as to which way the wipe hammer will fall and Doubt whether or not NQ can pull this game off when the servers go live.

A bit of background about my crowdfunding "addiction".  You don't need to read it.

... and I've put well over $300 into this game for kickstarter and alpha accounts but I don't regret a single penny. I feel that even if the game died today, it was worth the thousand+ hours of fun and despite the griping on here, the community is incredibly strong and still largely positive (although in clearly dwindling numbers) and I will be keeping many of the friends I made over the last four years.

We can only hope that NQ can manage a Hello Games style renaissance at some point, but indicators are not looking good right now.

I was watching DU ads on youtube. I wish we were getting that game instead of the one we're getting.
 
The game is already just barely worth playing. With a wipe, I don't think it will be worth messing with it. My main bases can't be deployed from BPs with the current state of BPs. So I can't realistically recover from a wipe.

If you have lots of quanta to buy DAC:s it will help NQs economy.
Because someone needs to buy those DAC:s first from NQ using real money.
Only after someone has bought DAC:s from NQ with real money and imported those into game markets you can buy them using Quanta.

I can agree with some of your points. To some others I have a different opinion. But there is one thing I cannot leave uncommented:
 
NQ does owe the early players/backers something. Did you check the price that they payed? We're talking about several hundred Euros. Wtf a skin... U mad bro?
 
Even if they are few compared to the number of players that NQ hopes to achieve... Nobody of them will speak positively about the game ever again.
 
Gamers that are dedicated enough to spend thousands of hours in an unknown game during alpha and beta - even spending hundreds of Euros for it - are usually well connected with their other gamer friends to share their experiences with. Some of the players even have youtube and twitch channels.
(I'm just a gaming grandpa, but even I'm part of a smal gaming-community that I test this game for and report my achievements and experiences to, hoping they follow me after release.)
 
You're right, in the grand scheme of things, the few dozen or few hundred people don't count at all. But they can and will give NQ a bad name if they aren't now treated with the respect they deserve as customers of NQ. We're not first graders who get the wrong change from the baker for their sandwiches!
 
The people who are unhappy with the way this thing is being handled are not crybabies. They have good and hard to refute arguments why you shouldn't invest money and time into this game. They can therefore give DU an even harder start than the game will have anyway, since subscription-based games aren't exactly popular these days anyway.
 
Btw, there are a lot of players who still don't know anything about this and about a 40-page discussion thread. (I know it, because they buy soon to be useless things like schematics from me.) They will be caught unprepared and they will most likely not be happy either.
 
So imho. NQ just doesn't want a PR disaster. And that's the only thing that gives NQ a headache.
 
 
 
Disclaimer @NQ:
This is not to be taken as a threat. It's just my point of view with over 30 years of gaming experience under my belt.

This feels like another wipe thread. Odd that NQ locks all other threads about wipes and ask we use the 40 page one until this new one NQ created emerged. I would rather see the 80 page thread over a two forty page ones but what do I know...
 
All I do know is all these reasons for a wipe assume exploits will never again occur, players will never join the game after release, and there will never be another change that will make us have to redo ships. If all of that is true wipe. If not wiping is just filling in a hole in the ground with one shovel while digging it deeper with another. 

Everyone calm down. We got the results of the egg hunt yesterday, so everything is fine...hiding 400+ eggs manually for an event that didn't mean anything at all is a much better use of time than all this game development crap. 

That first pod must exhaustively address the wipe question to the exclusion of all else.

DU Development Roadmap:

June 1st - Come out with a podcast ignoring questions, promising answers in the future.
July 1st - Make another forum post stating how much they have learned based on our feedback.
August 1st - Make a news letter repeating the difficulty of making this decision.
September 1st - Make another podcast talking in more circles about upcoming due date to make a decision.
December 1st - Decide to wipe.
Feb 1st of 2023 - Actually do the wipe and take the servers down for 2-3 weeks.
March 1st - Talk about the difficulty of resetting the servers.
June 1st of 2023 - Open the servers post wipe...  

P.S. Charge for subscriptions the whole time. 🤣

I'm sorry but i just don't believe that the discussion is ongoing.
 
Are we supposed to believe there's a room full of NQ employees sequestered somewhere for the last month just heatedly discussing this decision for eight hours a day?  Come on.
 
I know it's generally considered a good idea to rip the Band-Aid off as quickly as possible to minimize the pain, but in this case i think the wound may be festering while you're sitting around waiting for the most profitable moment to make your announcement.