CyberDay

If someone doesn't keep a TU on it at all it should just roll over eventually imo. They are not even mining from half the ones they are keeping locked up.

Unfortunately this is not the first time. Most of us have had this happen. Even during beta, a lot of what we said was ignored or treated as "not productive". When your dev wont even enforce the rules that we have had for years then people start getting more and more bitter/disheartened. The only reason I even play at this point is because the people I know here.

Correct, he specifically said trial accounts so that's why I referred to that. The 2 week free for people who have paid but are now lapsed will be on the main server.

Looking at your other replies, you may not understand the main issues here. The biggest issue is consumables are now a super premium. Some schematics take too long, may be a bit too expensive once a economy reset happens. The other big issue is there is no real removal of elements aside from PvP, which lets be real, its a REALLY small portion of the community that pvp regularly (whats left). Fixing the overflow of elements and what will eventually be a lack of fuel and warp cells is some of the core issues aside from server stability that needs to be looked at.
 

That's not how that works. The big guys with the largest factories who would get "energy" from alts and people in their group would produce everything, and would undercut everyone else's pricing due to "free" ore coming in from those same alts and group members. It's nigh impossible for a solo player to compete in a system where you artificially stop/slow down industry by tying it to an account/accounts. It just makes whaling even more profitable than it already is (new mission system + cores). Energy systems were something they were talking about in the alpha on a per core basis, but has long since been scrapped like a lot of other things. We are not going to see "huge" game changing releases post launch, as they wont be able to have any way of wiping post launch and this last patch was the last major patch per NQ before release. We may see some small changes and some "added content" post release along with whatever scale wipe they plan to do + the pseudo lua wipe.

100%, still not sure why people think anything that happened during beta was any different that stuff that happens on other mmos during the games life cycle. Exploits happens, dupes happen, systems get changed. Nothing that has been done is anything any different than any other MMO. You take care of stuff when it happens, or you suck it up and move on. Post release there can be 0 talk about wipes in any context. Your already forcing those who were not original backers to pay a monthly sub to something so "releasing" really isn't anything different, just removing the beta tag, that's literally it. We know stuff like schematics and industry can be changed without a full wipe, its been done when it was added. Tell us what we know has already been locked in at this point and stop pretending the community is full of 5 year olds who actually believe otherwise.

100%, still not sure why people think anything that happened during beta was any different that stuff that happens on other mmos during the games life cycle. Exploits happens, dupes happen, systems get changed. Nothing that has been done is anything any different than any other MMO. You take care of stuff when it happens, or you suck it up and move on. Post release there can be 0 talk about wipes in any context. Your already forcing those who were not original backers to pay a monthly sub to something so "releasing" really isn't anything different, just removing the beta tag, that's literally it. We know stuff like schematics and industry can be changed without a full wipe, its been done when it was added. Tell us what we know has already been locked in at this point and stop pretending the community is full of 5 year olds who actually believe otherwise.

All those are 'normal' MMO issues that NQ MUST be able to handle without wiping the game.
If they cannot, then it will only be a question of time until a new wipe will be needed after release. And another one, and another and so on..
 
I mean we all know that the game will be unfinished when released right? And with major changes to the game coming after release, it means that those issues and worse are bound to happen again also.

I do not consider the post NQ made as putting anyting on the table as I am convinced they have made their decision to do a wipe as I have laid it out quite some time ago and the post is really just filler and a stalling tactic. The post really did not tell us anything.
 
 

Ah yes, another post announcing there will be an announcement in the future, I'm sure that will calm everyone's hearts. 

Ah yes, another post announcing there will be an announcement in the future, I'm sure that will calm everyone's hearts. 

Ah yes, another post announcing there will be an announcement in the future, I'm sure that will calm everyone's hearts. 

Ah yes, another post announcing there will be an announcement in the future, I'm sure that will calm everyone's hearts. 

Your assuming that only one person is doing missions. There will be multiple(5+) orgs that are unrelated/not on good terms with each other doing this sprint. People already tried the "evil space empire holding everything" thing, it gets REALLY boring REALLY fast because eventually no one cares. There is no "bonus" or giant gain from pvp. Sure plasma exists, but if we are going to be real, no one but the 1% that actually pvp really care for exotics. Sure people will want beacons, but supply of plasma is more likely to be way over exceed the demand. No one buys anything off the market because our ore requirements are filled by our own autominer fields. If the dude next to me has 100 warp beacon schematics, honestly, it has 0 effect on me. I bought 1 at full price and between me and some friends, we make enough for our network. We go out and shoot at people. I throw ore at people because my autominers containers fill up. There is no consumption. That is the issue, not some evil top 1% wanting to keep the people down. There is no end game loop. Wiping only pushes the issue back a few months, that's it. Until they have a loop that can hold people's attention and not totally rely on player made "content" that now we cant be sure is ever safe, they won't succeed.
 
Everyone's goals are different, some people don't care if someone has 100 warp beacons in deep space so they can be anywhere. Its a sandbox, there is no real "end game". Your goals are what you set for yourself. Kinda sucks in a way though because there is no real bite to stay for anyone but creatives, and most of them would rather play something that give them the resources they want to use, although some do like the "survival" type of games as well. 

Why are you referencing games that are nothing like this? It makes literally no sense. What about "persistent universe" ,"soft launch" , and "you will keep what you have earned" do people not understand?

Because they don't want subs to drop till release  Although honestly that ship has sailed for those who pay monthly.

Because they don't want subs to drop till release  Although honestly that ship has sailed for those who pay monthly.

Because they don't want subs to drop till release  Although honestly that ship has sailed for those who pay monthly.

reposting @NQ-Deckard @NQ-Nicodemus@NQ-Nyzaltar

Nothing is equal, those who put money/time into the game should be rewarded and not have what they payed for taken away from them for some idealist dream that "everyone is going to be equal now" No, you wont be equal, the whales will whale and get their mission trains going again. The "nerf" only made it so they just need more accounts so they can gather more of the same mission and pay people to run more than one train at a time. There will be multi-billionaires in weeks, and that has no real effect on you. Aside from some people who don't actually know how to manipulate the market, we haven't seen anything drastic come from these "exploiters" as most of the people who did it earlyish on don't even play the game anymore. Instead of talking about a wipe, we need to talk about getting a real game loop that's going to people in the game past 2-3 months. Betting on killing off your "hardcore" player base to get some fly-by-night subscribers isn't going to be a good look when those vets blast the game on every forum about them not keeping any single promise they have made. The kickstarter backers haven't been made whole, the alpha backers and very early beta backers who were told, no matter what happens, we would keep our constructs and the things we earned/created in game, are getting a kick in the nuts. If it takes killing your player base to try to attract people who have already moved on to other games (those that left pre .23) then, you might want to look at another path forward. Baiting people into trying to side with you with slated dev articles that show favoritism to any/all wipes and the removal of schematics is pretty low. 
 
TL;DR - NQ needs to make good on their promises to the people who put time/money into the game and look for a way to keep any new players from just being a part of what will likely be a very high churn rate.

I'm fairly sure if you took the time with a lawyer to go over the EULA and ToS it would be likely unenforceable, like almost 99% of them, something or the other makes them unenforceable. They would also need to show exactly where and when you agreed to it specifically. Another fun one is also the comments made by NQ reps in the announcements/threads/videos going into it. Saying the words ""Whatever you do after beta starts is going to stay in one way or another... You will get what we call for the moment 'magic blueprints'... blueprints with everything included in it so you will be able to respawn the things as soon as we restart the server. So we don't like to call it 'wipe'... The key thing is the beta is really the start... You can start to invest yourself in the game. We guarantee that you're not going to be losing everything at some point... the universe is blank again, and you have to start from scratch."
IS some guarantee of investment time and money(IRL) wise.

If they are selling to and/or marketing to anyone in Germany they are subject to their consumer protection laws, as they are subject to US consumer production laws about false advertisement/etc as well. I not sure about its Germany counterpart, but the FTC has connections to most partner nations and does aggressively go after anyone if it effects a US citizen.

Nothing is equal, those who put money/time into the game should be rewarded and not have what they payed for taken away from them for some idealist dream that "everyone is going to be equal now" No, you wont be equal, the whales will whale and get their mission trains going again. The "nerf" only made it so they just need more accounts so they can gather more of the same mission and pay people to run more than one train at a time. There will be multi-billionaires in weeks, and that has no real effect on you. Aside from some people who don't actually know how to manipulate the market, we haven't seen anything drastic come from these "exploiters" as most of the people who did it earlyish on don't even play the game anymore. Instead of talking about a wipe, we need to talk about getting a real game loop that's going to people in the game past 2-3 months. Betting on killing off your "hardcore" player base to get some fly-by-night subscribers isn't going to be a good look when those vets blast the game on every forum about them not keeping any single promise they have made. The kickstarter backers haven't been made whole, the alpha backers and very early beta backers who were told, no matter what happens, we would keep our constructs and the things we earned/created in game, are getting a kick in the nuts. If it takes killing your player base to try to attract people who have already moved on to other games (those that left pre .23) then, you might want to look at another path forward. Baiting people into trying to side with you with slated dev articles that show favoritism to any/all wipes and the removal of schematics is pretty low. 
 
TL;DR - NQ needs to make good on their promises to the people who put time/money into the game and look for a way to keep any new players from just being a part of what will likely be a very high churn rate.

paying for several 1 year subs only to get this BS LOL.

Your daily reminder that multiple NQ staff in multiple channels, verbally and in writing, said we would get 'magic blueprints' if they ever needed to do a wipe:
 

 
(1:30) the reason for a wipe would be "(there is) something that we need to fix and there is no other but to wipe to fix it. I don't see anything like that coming... it's something that would happen if we really had no choice..."
(4:45) "we're going to do everything we can so that we don't have to go through a wipe again"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOp9nDzkxpc
(58:26) "It would be a very bad thing to say 'sorry guys, restart from scratch.'" 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ai3Kk37ntgg
(15:53) "Everything you build is forever"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD00-V_LKog
(31:58) "Whatever you do after beta starts is going to stay in one way or another... You will get what we call for the moment 'magic blueprints'... blueprints with everything included in it so you will be able to respawn the things as soon as we restart the server. So we don't like to call it 'wipe'... The key thing is the beta is really the start... You can start to invest yourself in the game. We guarantee that you're not going to be losing everything at some point... the universe is blank again, and you have to start from scratch."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syku-NmSg4s&t=1918s