Atmosph3rik

This feels like another wipe thread. Odd that NQ locks all other threads about wipes and ask we use the 40 page one until this new one NQ created emerged. I would rather see the 80 page thread over a two forty page ones but what do I know...
 
All I do know is all these reasons for a wipe assume exploits will never again occur, players will never join the game after release, and there will never be another change that will make us have to redo ships. If all of that is true wipe. If not wiping is just filling in a hole in the ground with one shovel while digging it deeper with another. 

I'm sorry but i just don't believe that the discussion is ongoing.
 
Are we supposed to believe there's a room full of NQ employees sequestered somewhere for the last month just heatedly discussing this decision for eight hours a day?  Come on.
 
I know it's generally considered a good idea to rip the Band-Aid off as quickly as possible to minimize the pain, but in this case i think the wound may be festering while you're sitting around waiting for the most profitable moment to make your announcement.

I'm sorry but i just don't believe that the discussion is ongoing.
 
Are we supposed to believe there's a room full of NQ employees sequestered somewhere for the last month just heatedly discussing this decision for eight hours a day?  Come on.
 
I know it's generally considered a good idea to rip the Band-Aid off as quickly as possible to minimize the pain, but in this case i think the wound may be festering while you're sitting around waiting for the most profitable moment to make your announcement.

If alienated, I will certainly pay 1 month subs to pass my 12 DACs to someone to keep the debt alive 😜

I'm sorry but i just don't believe that the discussion is ongoing.
 
Are we supposed to believe there's a room full of NQ employees sequestered somewhere for the last month just heatedly discussing this decision for eight hours a day?  Come on.
 
I know it's generally considered a good idea to rip the Band-Aid off as quickly as possible to minimize the pain, but in this case i think the wound may be festering while you're sitting around waiting for the most profitable moment to make your announcement.

I'm sorry but i just don't believe that the discussion is ongoing.
 
Are we supposed to believe there's a room full of NQ employees sequestered somewhere for the last month just heatedly discussing this decision for eight hours a day?  Come on.
 
I know it's generally considered a good idea to rip the Band-Aid off as quickly as possible to minimize the pain, but in this case i think the wound may be festering while you're sitting around waiting for the most profitable moment to make your announcement.

I'm sorry but i just don't believe that the discussion is ongoing.
 
Are we supposed to believe there's a room full of NQ employees sequestered somewhere for the last month just heatedly discussing this decision for eight hours a day?  Come on.
 
I know it's generally considered a good idea to rip the Band-Aid off as quickly as possible to minimize the pain, but in this case i think the wound may be festering while you're sitting around waiting for the most profitable moment to make your announcement.

I'm sorry but i just don't believe that the discussion is ongoing.
 
Are we supposed to believe there's a room full of NQ employees sequestered somewhere for the last month just heatedly discussing this decision for eight hours a day?  Come on.
 
I know it's generally considered a good idea to rip the Band-Aid off as quickly as possible to minimize the pain, but in this case i think the wound may be festering while you're sitting around waiting for the most profitable moment to make your announcement.

I don't know how you Wipers develop this delusion that a wipe is going to miraculously bring in a bunch of new players who wouldn't play otherwise - aside from your own wishful thinking and a peer-group of likeminded friends probably reinforcing your bubble. There's just no evidence ever in any game that a wipe does anything more than swap out some old players for new less-committed players resulting in long-term decline. And those who are unhappy with their lot in the game - access to territory or resources - are just replaced with a different group of people who missed out on the latest land rush. Add to that it's also a reversal on a commitment made at beta launch ('magic BPs') and the result will be even worse. 

I agree completely that wiping Quanta, but not wiping sold blueprints would be incredibly unfair to anyone who has sold a Blueprints.
 
But at the same time, there's a decent chance that a lot of the people who have bought Blueprints may not be able to purchase that same Blueprint again.  Since there's no guarantee that the person who made the original will still be playing.
 
That means NQ is just deleting all of those constructs.  Poof.  Never to be seen again.
 
And the alternative, Magic Blueprints, would be even worse, leaving a HUGE loophole for anyone to bring over wealth into the new game, and punishing anyone who doesn't take the time to transfer all of their wealth into constructs before the wipe.
 
Which of those option sounds good to you?  Because they all sound pretty bad to me.
 

It kind of seems like everyone who wants a wipe has a list of stuff that other people have too much of, that should be wiped.  And a list of stuff that's important to them, that they should get to keep.
 
That's not a wipe.  That's just begging NQ to take other people's stuff, and let you keep yours.
 

I agree completely that wiping Quanta, but not wiping sold blueprints would be incredibly unfair to anyone who has sold a Blueprints.
 
But at the same time, there's a decent chance that a lot of the people who have bought Blueprints may not be able to purchase that same Blueprint again.  Since there's no guarantee that the person who made the original will still be playing.
 
That means NQ is just deleting all of those constructs.  Poof.  Never to be seen again.
 
And the alternative, Magic Blueprints, would be even worse, leaving a HUGE loophole for anyone to bring over wealth into the new game, and punishing anyone who doesn't take the time to transfer all of their wealth into constructs before the wipe.
 
Which of those option sounds good to you?  Because they all sound pretty bad to me.
 

I agree completely that wiping Quanta, but not wiping sold blueprints would be incredibly unfair to anyone who has sold a Blueprints.
 
But at the same time, there's a decent chance that a lot of the people who have bought Blueprints may not be able to purchase that same Blueprint again.  Since there's no guarantee that the person who made the original will still be playing.
 
That means NQ is just deleting all of those constructs.  Poof.  Never to be seen again.
 
And the alternative, Magic Blueprints, would be even worse, leaving a HUGE loophole for anyone to bring over wealth into the new game, and punishing anyone who doesn't take the time to transfer all of their wealth into constructs before the wipe.
 
Which of those option sounds good to you?  Because they all sound pretty bad to me.
 

It kind of seems like everyone who wants a wipe has a list of stuff that other people have too much of, that should be wiped.  And a list of stuff that's important to them, that they should get to keep.
 
That's not a wipe.  That's just begging NQ to take other people's stuff, and let you keep yours.
 

It kind of seems like everyone who wants a wipe has a list of stuff that other people have too much of, that should be wiped.  And a list of stuff that's important to them, that they should get to keep.
 
That's not a wipe.  That's just begging NQ to take other people's stuff, and let you keep yours.
 

With the last Algorithm i rebuilt my speeder and repositioned almost every element.  i did extensive testing, and had no elements flagged at all.  Then i made a Blueprint and deployed a second version of it.  Did extensive testing with that one too, and had no elements flagged.
 
Then i compacted the speeder and went to Lacobus to recalibrate some MUs.  When i uncompacted it on Lacobus i got the warning message on the screen and had multiple elements flagged.  Compacted it again and went back to Alioth and it was all clear.
 
I also tried bringing the speeder to Lacobus docked to another ship, and same result, elements flagged on Lacobus and not flagged on Alioth.
 
So if you're testing the new Algorithm, don't assume that your ship is all clear just because it appears to be in build mode.

It kind of seems like everyone who wants a wipe has a list of stuff that other people have too much of, that should be wiped.  And a list of stuff that's important to them, that they should get to keep.
 
That's not a wipe.  That's just begging NQ to take other people's stuff, and let you keep yours.
 

It kind of seems like everyone who wants a wipe has a list of stuff that other people have too much of, that should be wiped.  And a list of stuff that's important to them, that they should get to keep.
 
That's not a wipe.  That's just begging NQ to take other people's stuff, and let you keep yours.
 

It kind of seems like everyone who wants a wipe has a list of stuff that other people have too much of, that should be wiped.  And a list of stuff that's important to them, that they should get to keep.
 
That's not a wipe.  That's just begging NQ to take other people's stuff, and let you keep yours.
 

Well that just makes me sad.
 
This is like the time they gave us a fuel intake element, and then it turned out to be just a tiny door.
 
They really don't like us do they.
 
 

Just  bringing the potential wipe on the table again is enough to instantly put me on a "pause" mode with DU. it just feels like i invested years of time on the single promise that there is persistence and a wipe would only occur if there is kind of a fatal problem that cannot be resolved otherwise, and even if a wipe would happen all progress and constructs could be taken over to the after wipe time..
so basically that was a lie (looking on all those options being discussed "internally" at NQ.)
- getting rid of schematics ==> do you know how much grind it was just to get there and obtain those schematics?
- the quanta i own was earned honestly. and yes that was another grind to get there, so why take it away? just because NQ did not react when some people took advantage. so let's punish all players instead.. no, does not sound very reasonable. i don't honestly care about the players that have "more". for all players except one, there will always be players that have more, so who really cares (except the new players joining and want to avoid the grind we all had)
- if you wipe  any of my quanta, exp, stuff, (without giving me all back via magic BPs, or the benefit of the grind by removing all schematics i see it as betrayal. will probably not return..
- even putting the long term players on an optional parallel DU is not an option.

what would be OK for me:
- planetary reset (all constructs as magic BP's)
- Ban of players that cheated before
- removing the requirement to own schematics for Tier 1-2 (or even Tier 3) items
- game play changes that do not in-valuate previous "grind"
- removal of all bot orders
- creating a new System with new planets and resources without the possibility to transport big amounts of mass there where different rules may be applied. maybe even having a new 2nd currency there, so you cannot bring your quanta with you.

So yes there are lots of options of adding new gameplay and mechanics even without having to betray all the beta players that spent an insane amount of time in game to get where they are today. But the 2 wipe options you described are not really satisfying in my position.

So please: reconsider
put your heads together again without just serving those people that scream wipe wipe in order to get an unfair advantage by purging a huge amount of time in grind for senior players who believed in past commitments that had been made by NQ.


 

 

With the last Algorithm i rebuilt my speeder and repositioned almost every element.  i did extensive testing, and had no elements flagged at all.  Then i made a Blueprint and deployed a second version of it.  Did extensive testing with that one too, and had no elements flagged.
 
Then i compacted the speeder and went to Lacobus to recalibrate some MUs.  When i uncompacted it on Lacobus i got the warning message on the screen and had multiple elements flagged.  Compacted it again and went back to Alioth and it was all clear.
 
I also tried bringing the speeder to Lacobus docked to another ship, and same result, elements flagged on Lacobus and not flagged on Alioth.
 
So if you're testing the new Algorithm, don't assume that your ship is all clear just because it appears to be in build mode.

A friend showed me some cool artwork. Turns out it was concept art for an upcoming game. Kind of crazy how some colored sketches evolved into all of this.

With the last Algorithm i rebuilt my speeder and repositioned almost every element.  i did extensive testing, and had no elements flagged at all.  Then i made a Blueprint and deployed a second version of it.  Did extensive testing with that one too, and had no elements flagged.
 
Then i compacted the speeder and went to Lacobus to recalibrate some MUs.  When i uncompacted it on Lacobus i got the warning message on the screen and had multiple elements flagged.  Compacted it again and went back to Alioth and it was all clear.
 
I also tried bringing the speeder to Lacobus docked to another ship, and same result, elements flagged on Lacobus and not flagged on Alioth.
 
So if you're testing the new Algorithm, don't assume that your ship is all clear just because it appears to be in build mode.

I gotta keep saying it -- big updates in advance of an incoming release combined with very low player counts because of wipe angst (or constructs being ruined) is a potentially lethal cocktail. 
 
This is the time NQ needs to actually beta test and find bugs and flaws in their ability to scale.
 
This being the "dead-phase" of DU is not good...this is the time it should be the busiest if NQ hopes to have the feedback it needs to do a clean release. 
 
This wipe BS has gone on for too long. If they wait until right before release, that means Athena will be practically untested at anything close to load. 
 
That's a huge gamble and makes this entire beta program rather pointless...you don't make last minute changes to a rocket 30 seconds before launch and hope for the best. 
 
This is the time DU actually needs a real beta program, but NQ has greatly reduced its effectiveness by delaying this simple decision. Yet again, players are warning them about what will happen, and yet again NQ thinks we are know-it-alls that don't understand the process (as if none of us have released software before lol).
 
Good luck with release, but we already know how this will play out.