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I don't really see the trial being useful because DU is a game where the players create the content for each other (and then, cleverly, have to pay to host it for one another).  Without that created content and the interaction with other players all you have is a fun  building game.
 
Since the trial is in another sandbox there will be no player created BPs or orgs, no racing/other player created games, no new player help and support, no DSAT to find asteroids, etc.  So essentially you can just surface gather and build things.  You won't be able to get a feel for what the game is really like.
 
But you will be able to tell how grindy it is and how little there is to do if you don't interact with other players.
 
I don't really care about kickstarter promises, etc but I do want something to do in the game.  And I am reminded that this is still produced by the company which s deleting all the existing content from the game after having lied to us for a long time about their intentions to do so.  And the same company which made (or just didn't make any) bad game-management decisions which led to the sandbox being so badly broken it needs to be reset at all.
 
The least they could have done is add some content to replace what was deleted.

Cant say well done, if they release a unfinished game, again. We acepted a unfinished release in the beta, but unfinished game in the release?
 
The core mechanics are not in the game:
 
-Territory Warfare
-Atmosferic Combat
-Alot planet rework pending
-No energy system
-No economy loop
 
This is just push the game to another Wipe, once they finish all pending features, or  close the project, wen steam bad coments doom it.
 

This is not limitation. This is just slowing down the enthusiasts. Limits would be nice.
This only increase the gap between enthusiasts and non enthusiasts. It will completley discurage the non-enthusiasts to have any form of basic industry while the enthusiasts...well...they will still get there eventually.
I believe that a non-industry person should still have access to some form of basic industry without all the hassle. At the momment it does not matter how small or big is your industry...it`s still a hassle and schematics makes it even worst.

Remove schematics. I already have a job, I dont need another tedious game to drown myself completely in it.
I see a lot of games lately start using schematics. Who in the world came with this idea??? They were not meant for this type of game.
I`ve got a feeling that in the game industry there is a budle idea on how to terminate a game without causing too much rage, and in this bundle there is "schematics".
We are suppose to discover the game, not losing our selfs into an ocean of meaningless things that makes you completly forget what the game is all about, Anakin !!

Why has NQ's technical leadership apparently failed to push back against designs that were never, ever scalable...? Or have they done so, but NQ's pie-in-the-sky CEOs refused to listen...? 
 
Their CTO was (for a short period) Högni Gylfason, an ex-CCP vet that has had a ton of experience going back into the late 90s. They lasted less than a year (11 months) and left in 2019. 
 
Now, it's someone whose only previous job was as a 4 month engineering intern. Please let that sink in for a bit...
 
NQ's CTO is someone whose only real experience in engineering is with NQ itself.
 
Their specialty is graphics rendering...hardly a simple field, but not someone that has experience building or scaling an MMO (or any online software for that matter - they've only had the 1 job at NQ and a 4 month internship lol). 
 
When it comes to scale, practical experience matters a lot. Someone with experience knows how even one tiny change can crash servers at scale...and knows why and where things break down at scale. Techniques that work with low pops or traffic simply won't work at scale. 
 
So when NQ talks about how much server costs they have, keep in mind that their technical leadership really doesn't have experience in this domain.
 
Ultimately, this is the person responsible for making technical choices and no matter how bright, they will be severely limited by experience. 

I feel like it is long time already that NQ knows things that they don't want us to know. Probably they perfectly know the path of this game like probably they know since long time if there will be a wipe or not but seriously... who would play a game spending money and time if they know there will be a wipe? Of course they are not going to tell us and they would keep it in the clouds.
 
Same story is with the server problems, is now long time they are trying everything to reduce the server cost telling us is for the game play, I was much happier when I could explore any planet and just dig and find something, now no, we are obliged to go always on the same spots where we placed the boring autominers for which we have to pay taxes for the owned territory. This wasn't for a better gameplay but to reduce the server load. Everybody want a server that runs well but can't everything focused to reduce the cost of it, it is not funny anymore. By the way we are paying for everything, paying to extract the ores, paying to refine them unless Tier 1, paying for the schematics to produce most of the items and getting crazy to understand how many schematics we need to produce something for ourself or to sell. Schematics that also take time to be produced so to delay the final production and discourage players to make industries. I repeat also that since the game play is completelly changed now I want to use my talents point for something else.
 
After I see the dictat from NQ imposing the new systems I don't have much to say and I can't believe in anything anymore. What the community is for if it is not used to understand if a new idea is what the players want before to introduce it?

Not much talk about are DAC being given and where my pet that was part of are pacs 

Greetings. 

As an Alpha Ruby Founder, I was promised quite a bit for my generous contribution to this project. Like many other founders, I'm wondering what's going on. 

It's been several years since the contribution was made, and TWO YEARS since the promised delivery date. I can't even get someone to reply to my emails to put in a change of address. Remember it's been YEARS since I made my initial contribution. This is bordering on criminal.  Just to refresh your memory, Ruby founders were promised the following by DECEMBER 2018: 

 
   
Pledge €400 or more
Ruby Founder Pack (Early Bird)
 
INCLUDES: Game at launch (PC Digital) Thanks in the credits as early backer "Ruby Founder" Forum Title Lifetime Subscription Original SoundTrack (Digital) ID Card Arkship Passenger (Ruby) In-game Pet (lvl.1 version) In-game Pet (lvl.2 version) In-game Pet (lvl.3 version) In-game Pet (lvl.4 version) Closed Beta Key Access Alpha Access Key Alpha Team Outfit "Dual Universe" T-Shirt "Dual Universe" Poster "Dual Universe" Tote Bag "Dual Universe" Artbook "Dual Universe" Metallic Box (numbered) "Dual Universe" Collector Box Arkship USB Key Alpha Team Member Statue (male or female) ESTIMATED DELIVERY DEC 2018 SHIPS TO Anywhere in the world 98 backers Limited    

Not much talk about are DAC being given and where my pet that was part of are pacs 

Will the kickstarter DACs be credited to accounts at the launch to be spent on subscriptions?

this is my opinion  if you like it then that’s good for you but I think this is the lazy solution  at least add real asteroids belts you can mine when ever you wish and don’t  require a scanner that costs millions two find them two may be  find nothing and cost me tons of fuel two find nothing planet mining also added a reason two explore planets they could have just made planets regenerate but they chose the easy way out just remove it  so like I sed  I don’t  like it and that’s my opinion  why is it lots of us founders stoped playing and when you go two markets now it’s a ghost town because lots of players don’t like the detection the game has gone in  mining units are garbage as well as the amount you get is crap  let’s make a guess hear I’m going two predict  the game will launch it will be good for a few months within a year the game will get shut down because it was not successful. Because the devs messed their own game up and pushed out the door before it was ready we will see what happens I am watching two sea what hapens  I do want the game two  make it that’s why I’m still hear and have bin since alpha 

Having a belt being partially in the safe zone but majoritarily on the pvp zone would make lots of players "dip their toes" into the pvp aspect of the game and I'm sure it would also promote more encounters too (that is, at least if they could find each other in the belt), but I'm sure would add lots of fun to it! It's a very nice risk-reward balance.
 
 
Yeah my big concern is that when new players realize how the whole asteroid mechanic works, specially the fact they are only refreshed on a single day of week, we'll see the game have quite low activity during week days but a rush of players on weekends, potentially leading to lag, since they all are going to the same places. Sure, if someone wants to spend every day of their weeks mining they would be able too...
 
I'm not sure if NQ still checks their forums for suggestions (unless when tagged) but I really hope they take a second look at a few core mechanics before release. I really enjoy DU and would be quite a shame if players get turned away from it because a few mechanics aren't polished.

These are all great suggestions, and have been proposed by the community previously. Asteroids are currently very annoying and staid, and there will be complaints from the New Player Influx if we go with the current system. Adopting even some of the suggestions above would go a long way to making them more fun and accessible.

This is fraud.  I left my account subbed for periods of time to get talent points. The statement made at the end of alpha that there would be no more wipes was the only reason I started playing. I would have waited till launch otherwise. I purchased those talent points from NQ, and now they are taking them away. I subbed for over 2 years. I feel cheated and lied to.
 
Bait and switch = fraud. 
 
I know...  EULA bla bla bla. Having something in an EULA does not make it legal. You could put a slavery clause in an EULA, but that doesn't make it legal. 
 
No more. I hope this game crashes and burns.

Agreed on this. Please, NQ, this cannot be an open question. I'm certain that most of us don't want to put more years into this only to have it wiped again. Please clarify this point for us.

Basically if I'd never logged back in since 0.23 I'd be in the same position. Yay I get a fifth of my talent points back but so does anyone who had forsaken DU after 4 days -.- meh.
 

Sometimes I think you knowingly design the game in such a way that fewer and fewer people want to play DualUniverse. It certainly won't attract new players.
Really: I just don't understand it.

Have you never played yourselves?
In the end, is it really just because we players built too much too fast? It all feels like a punishment with Demeter.

DU is still merely "potential" after this many years of development...IMO, "potential" isn't enough at this stage in the game's final months before release. 
 
I do see how this change improves early gameplay -- it isn't all bad. 
 
But...when viewed holistically alongside the last several changes, the game overall has become less engaging, less scaled, and less fun. 
 
After the early game, players have little to do other than reflect about how much "potential" the game has as they monitor auto miners, shovel paper into machines (up to the limit of their patience), and build mostly for the sake of it, since there's so little functional mechanics after these 6-8 years of development. 
 
You don't judge changes based on potential alone...especially in the final months before release where they don't have time to fully exploit that "potential".
 
So to me, especially with the game nearing release, potential is another way to say "not good enough" or "not there yet". 

I have been gone for over a year because the game stopped loading for me.
After all that time it finally started again.
Why I liked the game was for escape from the hoards of players that love to have Multiplayer and
PvP.
I liked it because I could come here and escape the everyday world and just build up my own little corner and slowly
build everything myself without all he economy market BS,

Now that is all gone. I am being forced to do this game as a small bunch of people thinks it should be played. I have to join an org or sell in market to make money just to build things. Use a whole schematic to build one item! The whole joy of experimenting in quiet space is gone now. 
 
I agree with Memoti. This totally ruined the game for me - they are gonna do this all over again and waste my few valuable few free hours I get each week for all this overthinking bs has ruined this game. It had promise but boy the pooch is going home really sore now.
 
Horrendous development choices here guys.
 

When I first got into this game, it was under the promise that it was a open world, sandbox type game. A player could come in, and if they wanted they could join up with a large organization and enjoy the benefits of it, or they could either join up with a small group of friends, or go it alone. And although joining with a large org would definitely have it's benefits, playing the game with a small group or without any obligation to a large org would be possible. It would take longer to achieve certain things, you wouldn't be able to have many bases on many different planets, etc...but you would be able to play & enjoy the game if that's what you chose. We were also promised that, although there would be  wipes, they would be minimal at best, and they would never reset our talent points or wipe the money we had made.
 
By the time the first of these promises were broken, my small group of friends had managed to build up a respectable business. We had a factory for our personal use, we were able to build most of what we needed, as long as we could feed it. But we had also managed to work out some beneficial trade deals with several orgs in the game. It worked out well. We met some really great people, had fun organizing mining runs to different places, fulfilling orders for different materials, and had managed to bank a tidy sum that was helping us grow our org. We rarely if ever used the market, but that was because we were able to conduct our business bartering for what we needed. And we were trading things all the time.
 
So the first big wipe comes along, and we find out that not only  are we going to lose the structures we had build, that materials we had accumulated, and the ships we'd built, but they were going to reset and wipe the accumulated talent points, and wipe all the money from the game.  So everyone started over from 0. All the work and effort we had in the game, thousands of hours of play time, all wiped out with nothing to show for it. Didn't like it...in fact...hated it...but fine...whatever...it's a new game and there  is so much potential, so we'll bitch & moan, but we'll start over. We built it up once, we can do  it again.
 
Like everyone else we start over. We start rebuilding what we had lost within the new parameters. As we start to get back to something resembling sustainable, here comes schematics and another wipe. Revamping mining, changing the way factories work, making it so it's extremely hard & expensive for anyone not in a large organization to fare. So we rebuild...again. Now, after spending hundreds of millions of quanta on schems, hundreds of hrs redesigning factories so they'll work, and trying to get back to where  we can actually create a service that can be  sold or traded in game we are once again screwed. Factories have been revamped, schems have been completely wiped and again...we're having to start over with nothing to show for our work, time, & effort.
 
I get that it is a game in development. We all got into it  know that there would be hiccups, changes, and unforeseen circumstances that may make parts of the original vision of the game unattainable. However, you don't continually bend over your player base, break promises, change fundamental aspects of the game, and refuse to compensate for those loses without expecting to take a serious hit on the number of people logging in. And if fewer people log in, fewer are paying your subscription...which leads to problems affording to keep up servers. This game was never going to compete with WoW, however you have/had a chance to make a very good game, with a very respectable player base. The more this game changes...the more it reminds me of another sandbox MMO that was very popular in the early 00's, and it went down the same path of changing things up. They got greedy. They forgot that they were a niche game and that while they would have a dedicated & avid player base...it was never going to rival WoW. Ask Sony how Galaxies worked out for them.
 
I refuse to be forced into joining a large organization just to be able to play the game. I enjoyed interacting with the other players and organizations without having to be in one. I'm tired of starting over. I'm tired of re-learning basic aspects of the game. I'm tired of building things up just to have them erased with absolutely nothing to show for it. And most of all, I'm tired of being lied to. And yes, whether intentional or not, the players were and are being lied to. And anyone who doesn't think they knew this latest wipe was necessary months before it happened is kidding themselves. They just  didn't want to deal with the anger they knew would ensue beforehand.
 
I don't know if I'll continue playing, if I'll just log in once in while to ck things out, or if I'll try and start over...yet again. This isn't a 'I'm mad and going to quit' rant. This is a 'this is BS' rant.
 
/rant off

i sadly need to keep telling this on these forums.
 
the cash cow became a cash drain and somehow the illusion of profit needs to remain.
 
Every patch the game gets worse and going to other games feels as the best choice, its sad.
 

All things named schematics in DU should be deleted, these are game breakers in any proposed form till now

as far as i know an alpha is where they add all the features and a beta is the testing, balancing and polishing phase?  They went into 'beta' not feature complete and are about to launch without the features tested and polished?  not sure what to say..
 
Anyway... i get blasted for sharing my views on this.. so going to end it here.. thank you for being civil... its more than i get from the DU discord.  
 
You know....its sounds trivial but all I really wanted from this 'debate' was an acceptance that yes its about the cash....instead I had people talking to me like this was always the plan... maybe im a bit OCD... like many others ive put a lot of time into DU and to be degraded into nothing (i get a lot of 'if you don't like it leave') is a hard pill to swallow.

Want a funny read, go back to the original 2016 kickstarter post:
 
  https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1949863330/dual-universe-civilization-building-sci-fi-mmorpg