Daphne Jones Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 In 2021, NASA landed a helicopter on Mars... 10000 years later we don't have helicopters on Alioth. Why? admsve, sHuRuLuNi and Warlander 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joaocordeiro Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Daphne Jones said: In 2021, NASA landed a helicopter on Mars... 10000 years later we don't have helicopters on Alioth. Why? Kind of the same reason catapults are not in the game despite having been invented many many centuries ago. Bollox, Maxim Kammerer, OrionSteed and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daphne Jones Posted February 18, 2021 Author Share Posted February 18, 2021 Just now, joaocordeiro said: Kind of the same reason catapults are not in the game despite having been invented many many centuries ago. We don't have anything in game that can do what a helicopter does efficiently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joaocordeiro Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Just now, Daphne Jones said: We don't have anything in game that can do what a helicopter does efficiently. Vertical engines do the job, just dont look as good. Also, helicopters are very fuel inefficient compared to airplanes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joaocordeiro Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 I would prefere to have rotating parts and moving voxel subgroups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirJohn85 Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Rotating and Piston elements worry me when I think of what they did in Space Engineers. Here is an example: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daphne Jones Posted February 18, 2021 Author Share Posted February 18, 2021 13 minutes ago, joaocordeiro said: I would prefere to have rotating parts and moving voxel subgroups. Why don both? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joaocordeiro Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 minute ago, SirJohn85 said: Rotating and Piston elements worry me when I think of what they did in Space Engineers. Here is an example: The game "From the depths" has rotating and piston sub constructs. Not only that but those sub constructs can also have their own subconstructs. Some rare times, a quick glitch happens when 2 ships colide with each other. But mostly it works fine. ELX987 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joaocordeiro Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 6 minutes ago, Daphne Jones said: Why don both? lol Sure. But with "nice to have" priority for DU 2.0 in 2025. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazaatan Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 6 hours ago, Daphne Jones said: In 2021, NASA landed a helicopter on Mars... 10000 years later we don't have helicopters on Alioth. Why? You can look at the current state of the game and think to yourself.. "where are the helicopters?" You're that guy aren't you?... that guy that brings buns to a burning house and, with all sincerity, asks "so, who's got the hotdogs?" smh lol ELX987 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sHuRuLuNi Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 6 hours ago, Hazaatan said: You can look at the current state of the game and think to yourself.. "where are the helicopters?" You're that guy aren't you?... that guy that brings buns to a burning house and, with all sincerity, asks "so, who's got the hotdogs?" smh lol Hazaatan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CptLoRes Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 16 hours ago, Daphne Jones said: We don't have anything in game that can do what a helicopter does efficiently. I have asked a similar question many times. DU is a world where flying is the only means of transportation. But there is no technology in the game with efficiency and practicality that would justify such a society. A world that evolved into only using flying, would at the very least need flying tech that would beat trucks, boats, trains etc. at transporting. Daphne Jones 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daphne Jones Posted February 19, 2021 Author Share Posted February 19, 2021 2 hours ago, CptLoRes said: I have asked a similar question many times. DU is a world where flying is the only means of transportation. But there is no technology in the game with efficiency and practicality that would justify such a society. A world that envolved into only using flying, would at the very least need flying tech that would beat trucks, boats, trains etc. at transporting. Glad somebody gets it. There is hope for DU's player base. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warlander Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 17 hours ago, Daphne Jones said: In 2021, NASA landed a helicopter on Mars... 10000 years later we don't have helicopters on Alioth. Why? Been asking for rotors or drone rotors/tail rotors myself for a while now. We need some kind of hover engine that goes from hoverpad height to 1+km. +1 from me. Daphne Jones 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DystopianSnowman Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 Wheels would be nice too. Still baffled that in the future mankind forgot the wheel. Daphne Jones 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurock Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 Requests for Rotors, Wheels, Pistons, Hinges, Sliders and further parts that make other parts of a construct move, always gets the same response: Not going to happen. The server is built with a single shard MMO in mind and that comes with a price. That said, stand alone elements that do not interact with surfaces directly (direct contact) are definitely possible. They are called engines and a request for a vertical lift type element sounds like a reskin of a downwards pointing engine. but engines that thrust downwards to upward lift are not fuel efficient. That’s because engines in this orientation have their power halved because everyone was vertical lifting stuff into space much too easily for NQ’s liking. So players, in turn, just put on more engines so they could do it anyway. TLDR: helicopters aren't fuel efficient so use vertical engines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daphne Jones Posted February 20, 2021 Author Share Posted February 20, 2021 6 hours ago, Kurock said: TLDR: helicopters aren't fuel efficient so use vertical engines. Rotors are a lot more efficient than a jet engine pointed downward. Rotors are designed to be efficient at zero (vertical) speed. Jets are more efficient the faster they are moving along their axis of thrust - and horribly inefficient at zero speed. One could argue that DU atmo engines aren't really jets (but then what are they?), but you can't argue that they only have more than half thrust when placed vertically (and I believe, full fuel consumption). A rotor would essentially be a reskin of an atmo engine with some modified stats - so it burn maybe twice what a hover does for the same lift and can fly higher. Doesn't need to be able to get over 50% atmo to give us decent rotary wing vehicles. (Although Ingenuity on Mars flies at 1% atmo assuming it works - I don't think they've flown it yet as of this writing). CptLoRes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CptLoRes Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 Yes, a rotor would basically be the hover engine without the height limit and a very sharp decline in lift at higher altitudes with thinner air. Daphne Jones 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CptLoRes Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 Another difference would be that it would require clearance above the ship, instead of under it. And the blades rotating part would just be cosmetic and not actual mechanical movement. Daphne Jones 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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