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You had better add some damn content then if you expect to be charging full mmo retail. This weak ass crap we have now isn't worth 15 bucks a month.

You had better add some damn content then if you expect to be charging full mmo retail. This weak ass crap we have now isn't worth 15 bucks a month.

You had better add some damn content then if you expect to be charging full mmo retail. This weak ass crap we have now isn't worth 15 bucks a month.

You had better add some damn content then if you expect to be charging full mmo retail. This weak ass crap we have now isn't worth 15 bucks a month.

You had better add some damn content then if you expect to be charging full mmo retail. This weak ass crap we have now isn't worth 15 bucks a month.

So you decided to rip off Eve directly once more. Not inventing a gameplay loop of your own but directly copying an existing one and not even trying to hide it. 
 
If I wanted to play eve I would go play that. But the way you guys keep going you might as well go back and work for CCP.

I've been screaming this for the 3 months since the wipe talk. I mean WTF? We have to wait 3 damn months (a whole business quarter) to get a decision that effects the player base in such a way that the game is going to die because everyone has left because of indecision.
 
I mean I just found starship evo and it has one guy developing it and it already has everything this game has including better voxel tech with moving parts like hinges and rotation.( land vehicles and mechs)  and you get to scale engines and thrusters to the ship. The map is thousands of systems almost in the vein of elite dangerous. 
 
And it has some pve and has online pvp. Yes it's in VERY EARLY access but it shows how far up their ass these Devs heads are. To have a whole group of Devs that can't beat a one man show. Embarrassing. 

I've been screaming this for the 3 months since the wipe talk. I mean WTF? We have to wait 3 damn months (a whole business quarter) to get a decision that effects the player base in such a way that the game is going to die because everyone has left because of indecision.
 
I mean I just found starship evo and it has one guy developing it and it already has everything this game has including better voxel tech with moving parts like hinges and rotation.( land vehicles and mechs)  and you get to scale engines and thrusters to the ship. The map is thousands of systems almost in the vein of elite dangerous. 
 
And it has some pve and has online pvp. Yes it's in VERY EARLY access but it shows how far up their ass these Devs heads are. To have a whole group of Devs that can't beat a one man show. Embarrassing. 

I've been screaming this for the 3 months since the wipe talk. I mean WTF? We have to wait 3 damn months (a whole business quarter) to get a decision that effects the player base in such a way that the game is going to die because everyone has left because of indecision.
 
I mean I just found starship evo and it has one guy developing it and it already has everything this game has including better voxel tech with moving parts like hinges and rotation.( land vehicles and mechs)  and you get to scale engines and thrusters to the ship. The map is thousands of systems almost in the vein of elite dangerous. 
 
And it has some pve and has online pvp. Yes it's in VERY EARLY access but it shows how far up their ass these Devs heads are. To have a whole group of Devs that can't beat a one man show. Embarrassing. 

I've been screaming this for the 3 months since the wipe talk. I mean WTF? We have to wait 3 damn months (a whole business quarter) to get a decision that effects the player base in such a way that the game is going to die because everyone has left because of indecision.
 
I mean I just found starship evo and it has one guy developing it and it already has everything this game has including better voxel tech with moving parts like hinges and rotation.( land vehicles and mechs)  and you get to scale engines and thrusters to the ship. The map is thousands of systems almost in the vein of elite dangerous. 
 
And it has some pve and has online pvp. Yes it's in VERY EARLY access but it shows how far up their ass these Devs heads are. To have a whole group of Devs that can't beat a one man show. Embarrassing. 

I've been screaming this for the 3 months since the wipe talk. I mean WTF? We have to wait 3 damn months (a whole business quarter) to get a decision that effects the player base in such a way that the game is going to die because everyone has left because of indecision.
 
I mean I just found starship evo and it has one guy developing it and it already has everything this game has including better voxel tech with moving parts like hinges and rotation.( land vehicles and mechs)  and you get to scale engines and thrusters to the ship. The map is thousands of systems almost in the vein of elite dangerous. 
 
And it has some pve and has online pvp. Yes it's in VERY EARLY access but it shows how far up their ass these Devs heads are. To have a whole group of Devs that can't beat a one man show. Embarrassing. 

I've been screaming this for the 3 months since the wipe talk. I mean WTF? We have to wait 3 damn months (a whole business quarter) to get a decision that effects the player base in such a way that the game is going to die because everyone has left because of indecision.
 
I mean I just found starship evo and it has one guy developing it and it already has everything this game has including better voxel tech with moving parts like hinges and rotation.( land vehicles and mechs)  and you get to scale engines and thrusters to the ship. The map is thousands of systems almost in the vein of elite dangerous. 
 
And it has some pve and has online pvp. Yes it's in VERY EARLY access but it shows how far up their ass these Devs heads are. To have a whole group of Devs that can't beat a one man show. Embarrassing. 

I've been screaming this for the 3 months since the wipe talk. I mean WTF? We have to wait 3 damn months (a whole business quarter) to get a decision that effects the player base in such a way that the game is going to die because everyone has left because of indecision.
 
I mean I just found starship evo and it has one guy developing it and it already has everything this game has including better voxel tech with moving parts like hinges and rotation.( land vehicles and mechs)  and you get to scale engines and thrusters to the ship. The map is thousands of systems almost in the vein of elite dangerous. 
 
And it has some pve and has online pvp. Yes it's in VERY EARLY access but it shows how far up their ass these Devs heads are. To have a whole group of Devs that can't beat a one man show. Embarrassing. 

I've been screaming this for the 3 months since the wipe talk. I mean WTF? We have to wait 3 damn months (a whole business quarter) to get a decision that effects the player base in such a way that the game is going to die because everyone has left because of indecision.
 
I mean I just found starship evo and it has one guy developing it and it already has everything this game has including better voxel tech with moving parts like hinges and rotation.( land vehicles and mechs)  and you get to scale engines and thrusters to the ship. The map is thousands of systems almost in the vein of elite dangerous. 
 
And it has some pve and has online pvp. Yes it's in VERY EARLY access but it shows how far up their ass these Devs heads are. To have a whole group of Devs that can't beat a one man show. Embarrassing. 

For me this new schematics system is a terrible mistake, I guess I will discover it wen it comes live, since yes I know it will be forced to us, but so far I can only imagine it as a mindless repetitive task, another way to charge us a taxe.
 
at this point the only thing I want to know, when is this wipe going to hit us, or are you guys traying to make players abandon the game update after update so that once no one will be left ppl won’t be upset to lose there stuff?

Everything makes it sound like DU is running off a skeleton crew now.
 
They don't have time, they don't have time, they don't have time. That's all they can say. 
 
Yet...what's changed in the last 3 months, exactly? They opened the exchange, they added DACs, tweaks graphics slightly, and they refactored the LUA API...? It isn't like it takes them time to ignore posts asking about the wipe...so where is this time going...? 
 
NQ's CEO has been very clear that they are working on new projects other than DU. It's hard to imagine that DU is receiving 100% of NQ's resources with the state of the game and its progress. For all we know, DU is being desperately maintained by a team of a few people as NQ throws money into an NFT pit with their next project. 
 
Of course, DU development has been slow for a long, long time now, so...who really knows 🤷‍♂️
 
And that's why this change will go live -- because they "don't have time" to make something that would actually work. I mean, if it takes 3 months to not even decide about a wipe...it'd probably take 3 years to actually fix industry in a way that doesn't ruin what limited engagement there is. 
 
Be ready for their explanation of why this was the right call and why we're all wrong, hah! 

This is one of the most stupid broken mechanics I've seen NQ not only suggest, but apparently they also have implemented it, and knowing how arrogant they are they ABSOLUTELY won't accept that it's a stupid idea, even with tons of feedback here in the forums, but will push it into production.
 
NQ managed to make Schematics even worse than they already were, and are in the way of making this game a completely "not-a-sandbox" game, by trying to shape their "player-driven" game and economy their own way.
 
Please, if there's one thing I *hope* NQ employees listen is how stupid this change is going to be, specially by making consumables something you need to go and get individual Schematics for. I'm sure this will be yet another exodus of players, and this time not only I'll leave with them, but I'll make sure to spread the word on how broken this game has became and how NQ clearly doesn't care about the player base, but just about making alt-exploitable (P2W) mechanics.
 
So much for this game...

And what about those of us that bought schematics before the price drop, are they going to return at the same rate or are we going to get screwed again by only actually getting half our money back?
 
Not that it matters if they wipe the money anyway, it's all semantics. 
 
I still don't understand how we're trying to do final economic balance things before instilling very basic gameplay loops. This is madness to me.  Just seems like they're going to have to do all this again. 
 
I mean every time we've complained about a decision they've made, they tell us we're wrong and then months later they do exactly what we suggested in the first place. Happened with schematics with taxes with collision and obstruction. It's almost as if they are doing things under the veil of their customers are dummies and they know better. Then a few months down the line analytics tell them they we're idiots and we we're right and they finally do something that's inline with the game we actually want to play. 
 
Frustrating when they could just skip the stupidity and make the game people actually want to have fun playing and not treat like a second job.

I get what you're saying and agree we need sinks and for the economy to get some balance. NQ also dropped the ball on countless occasions with many exploits that they blatantly ignored for months letting the economy get this way in the first place. Schematic shenanigans on .23 release and many other factory bugs that made people trillionaires and jacked up the whole thing. They also have the logs and could have squashed it then, but didn't. 
 
Now they're trying to fix issues they created by being lax on punishing exploits. Doing so by stealing every game mechanic they can from eve and calling it some new thing. Where's the creativity? Who in that meeting said yeah cool lets copy everything CCP does and play it off like someone actually thought of it. 
 
Where's the damn integrity?

the only fix to the schematic that NQ will allow is for you to purchase additional alts until you meet you SC requirements 
 
 
 
what does NQ care about giving us the quanta back for purchased schematics, they are going to wipe the game anyway. Its just a carrot

With all the talk about how we will react to it one would think they might actually change some of this crap. But, knowing NQ for what they are this is coming Tuesday and we can all get bent. Because it's their game and we just pay for the right to be told we're wrong and don't see the game dying around us every day from garbage development.
 
They're trying to balance an economy when the elements and gameplay loops aren't even established.  
 
They can't get away with telling us we didn't say anything either. The whole post they tried to bury when they opened this one says we were loud and clear. but we will be ignored yet again.

that's why I included ship elements. Can't slowboat without a ship either.

I get what you're saying and agree we need sinks and for the economy to get some balance. NQ also dropped the ball on countless occasions with many exploits that they blatantly ignored for months letting the economy get this way in the first place. Schematic shenanigans on .23 release and many other factory bugs that made people trillionaires and jacked up the whole thing. They also have the logs and could have squashed it then, but didn't. 
 
Now they're trying to fix issues they created by being lax on punishing exploits. Doing so by stealing every game mechanic they can from eve and calling it some new thing. Where's the creativity? Who in that meeting said yeah cool lets copy everything CCP does and play it off like someone actually thought of it. 
 
Where's the damn integrity?

Many people like myself enjoy the NON "drama" that only solo play brings. I stopped playing DEC 2020, and returned yesterday just to see what changes have been done. And I can honestly say that what all was changed,  obviously wasn't for the better. My entire org and it was huge, are all gone. 4k max daily players, so income wise that is 40k a month. Yeah good luck paying salaries with that. In 2020 we needed some touch ups like the meta cube ship, a hard reduction in lag, things like that. But someone at DU seems to have made problems (schematics) and then to fix the problem, made more problems (more schematics). And by doing so removed all the fun that is a MMO. Not like we have a ton of quests we can do.  PvP is essentially dead. So if the goal is to make DU a non solo player game, you might as well just shut the doors, or start work on a new game, and write this off as a loss, or maybe sell to a company that can actually fix your mess.. I get this undeniable feeling I won't be resubbing for another month after this. Your just complicating and compounding problems on something that doesn't work( if your digging a hole and you hit rock bottom (4k subs) STOP DIGGING). I had a huge factory, and it was not to make millions, I did that by selling ore excess, I did it because to me the mayhem(prior to schematics) was fun. And now you want to pretty much destroy that fun in favor of what exactly? I can see needing schematics for built ships people put many hours into building, or lua code, for anything else is just HS. Last part of my rant involves the billions you allowed to be had before the beta to "grease the economy". You had bots for that. You used to give new players a ship and a bump in Q doing tutorials (when they worked), and now you have removed underground mining (so dumb) as a means to reduce lag. Why you can't do like no man's sky and just refill the holes and tunnels in short duration is beyond any player here. Mining was one of the more tedious, but fun parts of DU and you removed it in a knee jerk fashion. Outside of going back to before DEC 2020 and just fixing the exploits and issues you had then (which you won't do) is the only real way to bring back players. Wipe the servers of all quanta, all schematics, rewind the game 2 years (when you had a ton of players) and make people claw a bit to get started like any other game. That small nudge when I first played DU was all that was needed. Only thing I would leave in are the skill points, as people actually paid for those with subs as you already knocked off a 1/3 of the time from 90 to 60 a min. Do I think anyone at DU will read this? Nope LOL

Right, I forgot the sarcasm tags... I should go edit the original post so people don't miss my intent.
 
My point isn't that there are mega-factories, it is that someone is still complaining about them because they can't accept that it is possible for people to work together enough to amass the supplies to build them. There are mega-factories, there will be mega-factories, they will be operated by a small number of people on behalf of larger groups for the sake of avoiding "too many cooks in the kitchen", and the only thing a wipe will do to inhibit that is annoy people in to quitting and thus reduce the possibility that the game would continue long enough for another mega-factory to be built.
 
So, please don't start with the absurd "objective must wipe" bologna. DU is an mmo that involves amassing stuff, building, trading, pvp, and generally competing with each other in ways that have permanent results for every action anyone takes in a persistent world. Someone will always have more stuff than someone else, people can and will cooperate with each other in large groups in ways that allow them to wildly exceed what solos and small groups do, and the only time this game will ever be fair and/or equal for everyone will be when NQ pulls the plug.