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Yea this thread took the highway exit to RL politics town. 

 

Now, im also thinking on how long will NQ let this continue. 

 

For all of you expressing your political views, im not against you. But rules are rules. If i have to keep my political views to my self, so do you. 

 

Feel free to talk about DU. But not RL... 

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9 hours ago, Boaz77 said:

But the original post is acceptable.  Got it.

As insane as this thread was up to this point, everyone was being pretty chill about everything and discussing things in the context of DU. You decided to take it out of that context. 

 

To reply to the whole topic: most orgs fall somewhere inbetween. I think the game should provide better tools to help orgs create more defined governing structures. 

 

I would encourage you to learn more about leftist theories, but I doubt you want to comb through some 200 years of philosophy. There is more nuance than just "everyone is equal all of the time."

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On 7/2/2021 at 9:25 AM, Eternal said:

Have you played Rust? That thing is a survival player-driven PVP multiplayer. On that experiment, it is clear that games like that is the same as Eve and this game.

 

You do realize that you are basically showing that you are just looking at any of these games through the same subjective filter, applying what you believe to be the case to end up with the result you expect right?

 

You also show that your idea of what a game is about is very narrow and you are pretty much choosing to ignore anything that falls outside of your personal view of a game, regardless of how intrinsic and valuable those other things may be to the game.

In short; you are part of the problem in this regard, not part of the solution, or the truth even.

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socialism is just rebranded communism, a way for neomarxist to slip in their lofty parasitic ideas into a healthy economy without causing righteous indignation. all part of the long march thru the institution, a process of indoctrination developed by over educated and jobless individuals with nothing to do after the collapse of the soviet union, which weaponizes words and alters identity through strong rhetoric and divisive ideology. 

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19 minutes ago, DreadZep said:

socialism is just rebranded communism, a way for neomarxist to slip in their lofty parasitic ideas into a healthy economy without causing righteous indignation. all part of the long march thru the institution, a process of indoctrination developed by over educated and jobless individuals with nothing to do after the collapse of the soviet union, which weaponizes words and alters identity through strong rhetoric and divisive ideology. 

wow, more uneducated claptrap - it just gets better.

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1 minute ago, Cheith said:

wow, more uneducated claptrap - it just gets better.

true, opposing top down political appointed economic planning  very much became synonymous with "uneducated"... with the threat of being disappeared or publicly executed riding on the coat tales of any dissenting opinions, it's easy to see how this happened. 

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Alright we can lock this thread now. Not even close to talking about the game. 

 

And ffs would it kill you to learn what the words youre saying actually mean. Marxism, communism, and socialism are all related, but separate philosophies. That and at their core they are all bottoms up and not top down. And one of them literally requires the dissolution of any central government to be considered complete. 

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37 minutes ago, Noddles said:

Alright we can lock this thread now. Not even close to talking about the game. 

 

And ffs would it kill you to learn what the words youre saying actually mean. Marxism, communism, and socialism are all related, but separate philosophies. That and at their core they are all bottoms up and not top down. And one of them literally requires the dissolution of any central government to be considered complete. 

"can we lock this thread"
"but first leme weigh in"

this is what marxism excels at and why its such a parasitic and damaging ideology. the bold and prolific allowance of holding two opinions that are in direct conflict with one another.

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2 hours ago, DreadZep said:

"can we lock this thread"
"but first leme weigh in"

this is what marxism excels at and why its such a parasitic and damaging ideology. the bold and prolific allowance of holding two opinions that are in direct conflict with one another.

 

Fushta!

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13 hours ago, DreadZep said:

socialism is just rebranded communism, a way for neomarxist to slip in their lofty parasitic ideas into a healthy economy without causing righteous indignation. all part of the long march thru the institution, a process of indoctrination developed by over educated and jobless individuals with nothing to do after the collapse of the soviet union, which weaponizes words and alters identity through strong rhetoric and divisive ideology. 

Since NQ does not care, i might as well give my point of view. 

 

Pure socialism does not exist in the world, in the exact same way that pure capitalism does not exist in the world. 

 

Capitalism is the "right" extreme of the same scaled metric that socialism is the left "extreme" 

 

So countries are defined by a pseudo % of capitalism and socialism.

A raw % could even be defined by the amount of the economy that is affected by socialism compared to capitalism. 

 

One could say that Country A is 10% socialist and 90% capitalist, while Country B is 60% socialist and 40% capitalist. 

 

But trying to glue "socialism" to "dictatorship" is a childish move that may have some effect in the north american continent but not to the rest of the world. 

 

EU countries apear to be economically successful and have a much bigger % of socialism than american countries. 

 

Even in the US, states with higher % of socialism appear to have a good economy balance and still offer good living conditions to their population. 

 

This opinion does not mean im suggesting 100% socialism. 

It would suck to have 100% socialism..... 

 

I like that private companies make smartphones and computers and cars, etc. 

But i dont want private companies choosing to not cure my illness because it is more profitable to treat symptoms.

 

But leaders and politics are to be chosen democratically by the population. 

 

If the population wants to have a buffoon ripping trade agreements that represent alliances and saying that their country is N1, so be it. 

 

If the pupulation wants to make sure that there is a minimal level of education, health and culture, to point their country to a better future, so be it. 

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1 hour ago, joaocordeiro said:

But trying to glue "socialism" to "dictatorship" is a childish move that may have some effect in the north american continent but not to the rest of the world. 

EU countries apear to be economically successful and have a much bigger % of socialism then american countries.

 

Exactly. Being born and raised in one of the more socialistic countries in Europe with a higher Per capita income then most. Some of the stuff that happens in for example US, to us seems bat shit crazy and Orwellian. Or to put it frankly, their notion of freedom seem to be skin-deep compared to the legal rights and protections we take for granted here.

 

And as joaocordeiro also pointed out, there is no such thing as pure socialism or capitalism. Only varying degrees of both, with some countries showing signs of unhealthy large percentage in one direction or the other. But data shows that countries with strong economics and a functional public health care system tend to lean towards the socialist side.

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45 minutes ago, CptLoRes said:

Exactly. Being born and raised in one of the more socialistic countries in Europe with a higher Per capita income then most. Some of the stuff that happens in for example US, to us seems bat shit crazy and Orwellian. Or to put it frankly, your notion of freedom seem to be skin-deep compared to the legal rights and protections we take for granted here.

 

And as joaocordeiro also pointed out, there is no such thing as pure socialism or capitalism. Only varying degrees of both, with some countries showing signs of unhealthy large percentage in one direction or the other. But data shows that countries with strong economics and a functional public health care system tend to lean towards the socialist side.

Don't get confused, the argument over capitalism vs socialism is most concerned with the area of economic practices. self correcting markets based on individual incentives, curbed by competition is what has created the largest, most complex and diverse economy the world has ever seen. Areas where no incentives exist to create opportunities for individuals obviously cannot thrive under those conditions and would need state intervention to exist, such as a legal system, the military, law enforcement and social welfare.

The wealth and opportunities available to countries in the european union is the perfect case against socialist economic planning, and exactly why england peaced out. what exists is a system of haves and have nots, inspired by the flick of a wrist by a group of crony politicians in brussels. so while some countries may enjoy the fruits of excessive wealth and opportunity redistribution, other fall into abject poverty. and that's why many predict the european union is soon to fail. thanks for pointing that out.

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2 minutes ago, DreadZep said:

so while some countries may enjoy the fruits of excessive wealth and opportunity redistribution, other fall into abject poverty. and that's why many predict the european is soon to fail. thanks for pointing that out

 

As it is, I agree that EU will fail. 

 

We (im also EU) need to move forward with the unification. To have united armed forces instead of relying on NATO. To have a common constitution. To have a common economical approach. 

 

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54 minutes ago, joaocordeiro said:

As it is, I agree that EU will fail. 

 

We (im also EU) need to move forward with the unification. To have united armed forces instead of relying on NATO. To have a common constitution. To have a common economical approach.

 

A main problem with the EU is that it failed to develope with growing size and influence. A prime example is the veto right for all member states. That made sense with the 6 founding members. But how is that going to work with 27 member states with very different economical, political and cultural background as well as contradicting national and geopolitical interests? I don't think that the EU will fail. But its global political and military power will always lack behind its economic strength. It is a bureaucratic monster and a lesson of how not to build a large organisation (irl or in game).

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14 minutes ago, FrigoPorco said:

so those clowns were talking 'NO RL POLITICS'....and THESE clowns can't stop as if they were Qanon members...😂 Soo much ignorance....SOO MUCH COMEDY. 

 

When ppl have nothing usefull to say, it is better to not say anything at all. 

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The weirdest part of this whole discussion is that these terms are well defined and understood. Just seems a part of the whole disinformation and refuting of meaning that has been a theme of the world of late (this is not confined to the USA).

 

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7 minutes ago, Cheith said:

The weirdest part of this whole discussion is that these terms are well defined and understood. Just seems a part of the whole disinformation and refuting of meaning that has been a theme of the world of late (this is not confined to the USA).

 

Why would you expect anything but obfuscation from politicians and institutions trying to reignite failed economic principles that have lead to widespread famine and tyrannical witch hunts in the past?

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31 minutes ago, DreadZep said:

Why would you expect anything but obfuscation from politicians and institutions trying to reignite failed economic principles that have lead to widespread famine and tyrannical witch hunts in the past?

There are (as far as I know) no politicians in this thread - but there are a number of attempts to redefine well understood terms into those typically used by politicians. I frankly blame the ignorance and outright stupidity of the listeners that this stuff is even viable.

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