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How to negate the negative effects of only building in the box

build outside the box with basic materials after reading this post?  

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  1. 1. build outside the box with basic materials after reading this post?

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Hi All

I want to discuss an idea to maybe counter a problem  that will prohibit us from building massive projects.

Monorails, bridges, infrastructure, roads, anything not needing complex elements but only the basics and voxels.

 

The problem is we are now limited to build in a box that is limited by core size. If we want to build civilization including roads, bridges and everything we will need to place a massive amount of cores.

 

What i want to propose is a system where you can build outside a core with basic materials. The startpoint of the build must be in a core but the build itself may be outside it. rights management stops outside the core and anything build outside the core is regulated on territory level. So if you have a TU or STU in place, the structure is relative safe, If you do not have these, anyone can delete or destroy your structure. this is a necessity with the system, cores are regulated by rights and so are territories so anything build Outside a core is under territory rules, anything build with no TU or STU is free for all.

 

However, this way we are able to build large structures like roads and bridges and monorails that would normally need a lot of cores. Limitation would be that these builds can only be build out of basic materials and voxels and anything would have no user rights on it although protected by TU or STU

 

This system would make it possible to make roads to and from different cities or market places and between cores, creativity could be used to build bridges across water masses for creativity and RP, This way we could also build structures like space elevators or monorails or later Dyson spheres, all for creativity and the greater good of the community.

 

This is also why i think it is needed, the greater good of the community. With this we will need to work together if we want things to be build, if org a and b want a monorail or bridge connection between their cities they will need to build together and secure it together, whether by force or by combined TU coverage.

Also for federations, massive organizations, alliances and anyone who wants to connect this is probably the only way to build mass infrastructure without the need of thousands of cores polluting the lands and all the lagg induced by the right management on those cores.

 

Please add your ideas and remarks on why yes or why no. technically this should be possible reasons behind that are NDA, sorry.

 

Greetzz Aaron

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I think a better idea might be to be able to adjust the build box. If you want to build a road you can make the build box 1 meter tall and however wide and long to maintain the same overall build size. You'll still have to build multiple cores but it will be far less. 

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This would solve a problem but would limit you aswell, unless we get ultra large cores. But the idea is to not needing pricy cores and still be able to build infrastructure, If your plan would be combined with a sort of "B" core that limits you to only a set of elements but is alot cheaper to produce i would agree.  

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When outside a STU/TU that would indeed be the risk :) But its a nice feature to have, if you want to build in an unsafe zone face the consequences or we will see half torn bridges, i would like to see that indeed.

It adds to the game, strategically placed objects will need protection and there is a chance to sabotage others. Or add to the structure, technically when you can steal you can also add, if you have a road close to your city you can add an extra fork to come your way.

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I do question the need for roads when everyone is flying...and without any wheels 😂.  I dont think were going to get to build outside the box, but the box may get bigger/different

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It is not only roads, anyone planning to build a space elevator or something alike will need to be able to build outside a box, or the Dyson sphere people, they will also need to do that.  there are alot of possibilities totally not related to roads that would become possible with this. I believe the creativity of everyone would be stimulated by being able to do this, adding the safety of doing this while under protection of a territorial Unit would even bring more people in as that would semi-guarantee safety for your space elevator upto space as long as nobody takes down the TU. :)

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So what you're saying is that I could make a voxel minefield around my base that all the attackers would crash and burn in?

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Nice idea Serula, 

I would say, give creaters a possibility to be creative, if a minefield is what they come up with why not :) I wanted to type more but thats NDA but there are already ways you can do that now.

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I did not vote, because I am not sure whether my response would be considered a yes or a no.

 

This idea is based on my understanding of why cores exist, so it may not be valid if I am wrong about that.  As I understand it, a core creates a grid in which voxels are placed.  Dynamic constructs obviously need their own grid, so they can move, but why do we have static cores?  The planets are also made of voxels, so it seems we should be able to build there without a core, but I believe they use a grid that is spaced much more widely than the one for constructs.  A denser grid allows constructs to be more detailed, but means the voxel data will require more space, since it must allow larger numbers.  Making the grid extend farther also requires larger numbers.  To build outside the current limits of cores, the grid would need to be extended, so technically it would have the same effect as using a larger core.

 

My suggestion would be to continue to limit construct by core size, but provide better tools for manipulating the planet voxels.  With the right tools, I believe adequate for most of these really large projects.  As an example, for roads there could be a paving tool.  With this tool, we could select two points on the ground and they would be connected with a surface that was relatively smooth but still generally followed the contours of the land.  There could be options to control how closely if followed the contours and how wide the surface was.  It could also replace the surface with a different material.  A tool like this would make it easier to build roads, but the result would still use the current data structures.

 

While the paving tool would be suited specifically for roads, there could also be general purpose tools.  These could be like the ones we use for building constructs, but outside cores they would only manipulate planet voxels with their current resolution.

 

 

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To me it sounds a bit convoluted for such novelties. Anything practical can be done with cores assuming they can be aligned and have relatively seamless transitions between them. Monorails, long bridges, space elevators, dyson spheres: these things are edge of DU scope at best if not outside of it.

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On 3/12/2019 at 6:04 PM, Serula said:

So what you're saying is that I could make a voxel minefield around my base that all the attackers would crash and burn in? 

But then you would not be able to enter your own base?

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2 hours ago, MaltoSigma said:

But then you would not be able to enter your own base?

Ofc you can enter, you just need to be smart about how to lay out that minefield. Looking forward to ppl crash and burn when flying too low xD

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13 hours ago, Lethys said:

Ofc you can enter, you just need to be smart about how to lay out that minefield. Looking forward to ppl crash and burn when flying too low xD

Can voxels just float in the air?

How about requiring voxels outside of cores to be connected to the ground and maybe give them a maximum height for each material?

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