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I played Eve for 10+ years
i have EA games (Empyrion, 7 days to die, etc)
p2w games and sp games also
 
Games cost money to develop, that is a fact. I would rather spend mine on supporting a great idea and help it make it to market without the pressure from corporate sponsors... and I would keep on paying to keep the patches coming similar to how it was\ is done in Eve.
Why? Because the game stays vital and interesting by keeping the dev's on the project. If you don't like that idea there are alot of games out there where you will pay for the game once, and if development continues for the game you will pay a price for the DLC's that follow. That price is usually at 50% of the original purchase price. But those type of games don't have the same type of ... call it reality feel that Eve does and that DU is striving for.
To me that is worth the pledge to get it developed and worth the sub price to keep it going.

there is a discussion about a change of two? Really?? It could be anything from a credit card being over limit to someone being over budget, a Xsolla error, or a dozen other choices that come to mind. Two is not shocking, if you were talking 200 then there would be something to discuss. As it is well within any industries variance statistics.
Let's discuss something important like when we can expect the link to download DU 

there is a discussion about a change of two? Really?? It could be anything from a credit card being over limit to someone being over budget, a Xsolla error, or a dozen other choices that come to mind. Two is not shocking, if you were talking 200 then there would be something to discuss. As it is well within any industries variance statistics.
Let's discuss something important like when we can expect the link to download DU 

there is a discussion about a change of two? Really?? It could be anything from a credit card being over limit to someone being over budget, a Xsolla error, or a dozen other choices that come to mind. Two is not shocking, if you were talking 200 then there would be something to discuss. As it is well within any industries variance statistics.
Let's discuss something important like when we can expect the link to download DU 

lol, no although when I first read the article I thought about it... My kids are grown, making them perfect for indentured labor

Exactly! For those who love testing new games, this is what we live for! Bring on the game so we can see what can be broken to make it stronger!

Guys can we simply just stop flaming at each other and just go back to awaiting the DU alpha... Come on, some of us can take time off from work and want to do so to enjoy the alpha. There is nothing wrong with that, some people simply care enough about it, to do such things. Then there are those of us who can not take off time for the alpha, sadly I am one of the latter in this instance, but guaranteed a lot of us who can not play due to work/school time constraints will do what we can to be online as we are able. 
 
What is not proper however is to flame at individuals due to the fact that they are taking time off from work to enjoy the alpha, or that a group does not care enough to take time off for the alpha. 
 
What I do suggest, is that we just go back to our quiet little corners, and just continue to wait for more information from NQ about the coming alpha.

I am excited by the "Pre Alpha release.
I think allowing up to 1500+ people at the server at this time will be a good test for NQ and DU. The fact that they want to keep what a promise although it is not quite ready to their standards of release may speak to a desire for perfection.
Until we can get into the game and see what is waiting we'll never know. As for the NDA and not wanting to see it streamed; I can understand that.
Some people just have a desire to try and destroy something so they can feel good about themselves. It's sad but true.
Bring it on NQ, Thanks for having some faith in us as a community.

lol, no although when I first read the article I thought about it... My kids are grown, making them perfect for indentured labor

I am excited by the "Pre Alpha release.
I think allowing up to 1500+ people at the server at this time will be a good test for NQ and DU. The fact that they want to keep what a promise although it is not quite ready to their standards of release may speak to a desire for perfection.
Until we can get into the game and see what is waiting we'll never know. As for the NDA and not wanting to see it streamed; I can understand that.
Some people just have a desire to try and destroy something so they can feel good about themselves. It's sad but true.
Bring it on NQ, Thanks for having some faith in us as a community.

Well a NDA is a serious contract and I really do hope they enforce it properly. 
People get excited now and even more once the game starts, so there may be leaks of a very buggy game which is bad PR in these times because people are idiots. 
 
To me this post from nomad sounded like they felt obliged to trust us with an NDA and the alpha because they didn't want to postpone it again, not because they want to test DU. It sounded like they fear bad press more than everything else (quite understandable) so I really do hope they enforce that NDA by all means. Bad press is the worst thing that can happen now, as DU needs to bind consumers for a long time (subscription) and in orser to do that they need all the positive feedback and press they can get. Some idiots ranting on youtube aren't exactly helping. Only because we long term members, who witness the work of NQ every day and their openness with the community, know that DU will work and that it'll be a great game, doesn't mean everyone gets that after seeing a buggy video or screens from an alpha
 
Anyway, I hope this community isn't a letdown in this regard and values the (possible) NDA as highly as NQ trusts us.
 

English (Translator used)
 
Hello NQ,
I think it is great that you take the player community into the tests (many eyes see more). Even if it is a pity we have to wait another 3 weeks.

The one or the other tip from the player community will advance the development and lead to a more stable game. This is best if you work with the software and do not just think about theoretical considerations. I think everything will be fine.
 
 
German (orginal)
 
Hallo NQ,
ich finde es toll, das Ihr die Spielergemeinschaft mit in die Tests aufnehmt (viele Augen sehen mehr). Auch wenn es schade ist das wir noch weitere 3 Wochen warten müssen.
 
Der ein oder andere Tip aus der Spielergemeinschaft wird die Entwicklung vorrantreiben und so zu einem stabieleren Spiel führen. Das geht am besten wenn man mit der Software arbeitet und nicht nur darüber theoretissche Betrachtungen anstellt. Ich denke so wird alles Gut.
 
 
mfG Die Waldfee
 

I wouldn't call it "alpha postponed". They held their promise and give us a game to break and test, that's all that counts for me.
 
Good job @NQ-Nomad, well done. It shows that you really care for this community and we will do our best to give that trust back to you

I played Eve for 10+ years
i have EA games (Empyrion, 7 days to die, etc)
p2w games and sp games also
 
Games cost money to develop, that is a fact. I would rather spend mine on supporting a great idea and help it make it to market without the pressure from corporate sponsors... and I would keep on paying to keep the patches coming similar to how it was\ is done in Eve.
Why? Because the game stays vital and interesting by keeping the dev's on the project. If you don't like that idea there are alot of games out there where you will pay for the game once, and if development continues for the game you will pay a price for the DLC's that follow. That price is usually at 50% of the original purchase price. But those type of games don't have the same type of ... call it reality feel that Eve does and that DU is striving for.
To me that is worth the pledge to get it developed and worth the sub price to keep it going.

I played Eve for 10+ years
i have EA games (Empyrion, 7 days to die, etc)
p2w games and sp games also
 
Games cost money to develop, that is a fact. I would rather spend mine on supporting a great idea and help it make it to market without the pressure from corporate sponsors... and I would keep on paying to keep the patches coming similar to how it was\ is done in Eve.
Why? Because the game stays vital and interesting by keeping the dev's on the project. If you don't like that idea there are alot of games out there where you will pay for the game once, and if development continues for the game you will pay a price for the DLC's that follow. That price is usually at 50% of the original purchase price. But those type of games don't have the same type of ... call it reality feel that Eve does and that DU is striving for.
To me that is worth the pledge to get it developed and worth the sub price to keep it going.

I played Eve for 10+ years
i have EA games (Empyrion, 7 days to die, etc)
p2w games and sp games also
 
Games cost money to develop, that is a fact. I would rather spend mine on supporting a great idea and help it make it to market without the pressure from corporate sponsors... and I would keep on paying to keep the patches coming similar to how it was\ is done in Eve.
Why? Because the game stays vital and interesting by keeping the dev's on the project. If you don't like that idea there are alot of games out there where you will pay for the game once, and if development continues for the game you will pay a price for the DLC's that follow. That price is usually at 50% of the original purchase price. But those type of games don't have the same type of ... call it reality feel that Eve does and that DU is striving for.
To me that is worth the pledge to get it developed and worth the sub price to keep it going.

I played Eve for 10+ years
i have EA games (Empyrion, 7 days to die, etc)
p2w games and sp games also
 
Games cost money to develop, that is a fact. I would rather spend mine on supporting a great idea and help it make it to market without the pressure from corporate sponsors... and I would keep on paying to keep the patches coming similar to how it was\ is done in Eve.
Why? Because the game stays vital and interesting by keeping the dev's on the project. If you don't like that idea there are alot of games out there where you will pay for the game once, and if development continues for the game you will pay a price for the DLC's that follow. That price is usually at 50% of the original purchase price. But those type of games don't have the same type of ... call it reality feel that Eve does and that DU is striving for.
To me that is worth the pledge to get it developed and worth the sub price to keep it going.

Couldn't have said it better myself. NQ will have to step in if there's excessive abuse of their "freedom for the players" stance. I don't doubt that for a second, as they did state their current stance on the issue has problems.

Point was if NQ says x behavior is not allowed, that's its, no debate, no crusading, its not allowed. That simple.
 
Now obviously they (NQ) shouldn't just bow and cater to every SJW that gets butthurt but there also shouldn't be no rules either. Letting players police while might sound ok on paper in practice all you'll end up with is those bad elements as the decent players will have left the game tried of dealing with it. not exactly a sound business model, IMO. So based on dev statements posted sounds like it'll be a mix of both players can and will take care of it and NQ can step in when needed.
 
but yes there is absolutely a responsibility that goes along with free speech. If you're on an airplane and use your free speech to yell "BOMB" you'll be arrested. Yell "FIRE" in a crowded movie theater, incite violence, issue threats of murder etc, those are all things you can do with your free speech but will face consequence's for. To the point of whats considered hate speech and the like, while subjective to a point the intent is generally clear and its one of those things when you just know it when you see it.
 
Freedom of speech isn't a get out of jail free card. Freedom of speech is simply to protect against the government coming after you for voicing your opinion, not a licenses to be a bigot, racist, homophobe. Sure one has the "right" to be one of those things but see it all works both ways, the rest of us can use our rights as well to express how that's not acceptable.

1. Its fact that as creators of the game NQ has the unfortunate legal right to police anything that is put in their game, and even more unfortunately they may be forced to in some cases by French law. (I'm not familiar with it but some commented that it isn't the best on freedom of speech)
 
2. Just because NQ is private organisation and can do what they mean doesn't matter at all to whether it is best for the community, business or players, or right in any way so if someone tries to dismiss this conversation with "NQ has right to do what they want", please don't (I wouldn't want to censor you if you did, but I think it shows... whats a good word... stupidity?) 
 
3. If NQ ends up censoring I at least hope they are consistent, because people often aren't. For example if you say "all black people + something negative" or "all women + something negative" people are all over it, but replace those with white people or men...
 
4. Offensive/disturbing/etc are extremely vague and subjective matters + if you think something should be censored because it offends someone (no matter how many are offended) you are saying someone has right to not (subjectively) be offended above someone's right to free speech etc. Some people get offended if you call woman or female looking person she or dress in costume that describes another culture, muslims get offended if you draw human character and call it Mohammed, some Christians get offended because some other people are allowed to marry in a way they personally don't support.
 
I would like to ask how many people have to find something offensive to make censoring it "right" 99% 90% 80% 51% 25% or one crybaby. 
 
If someone makes Nazi moonbase in DU http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/images/reviews/274/full/1349386589_2.jpg , one person flies past and ignores it, other has a good laugh and flies past it. Third thinks it would be good idea to arrange raid against it with friends and stream their attack on moon Nazis for people to enjoy, but after all the preparations gets disappointed because fourth had his/her/it's/zis' etc. (have to be careful not to accidentally offend someone) feelings hurt and went crying to NQ to remove the station. Let alone these fun moments 1:00-1:07 
That (which harms no one) wouldn't happen if people just censored like some here want to. 
5. Let me make an another example on same topic (swastika). This thread has people who think that specific set of lines (and I don't care about intent, it's still set of 6 lines that aren't going to hurt you) or even people who make them should be banned because they TAKE offense on it based on what it was used for at one point in history. Even ignoring that you still shouldn't censor people, that position shows great ignorance of reality. Swastika wasn't invented by Hitler. in india its past goes back at least 11 000 years https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika with apparent religious meaning. In some contexts I have also heard it referred as symbol of luck of something like that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz8gE92lVDY Finnish airforce used it as their symbol after Swedish donor of the first plane painted it on the plane to bring luck and remains on flag of Karellian air command https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/Karjalan_Lennoston_lippu.svg/200px-Karjalan_Lennoston_lippu.svg.png (what if some Finnish former conscripts wants to found org with that name in the game, uses the flag and gets censored because easily offended ignorant people don't care about facts or basic freedoms.). FYI the swastika it also exists in our most important medal http://koulut.kontiolahti.fi/lukio/ilpo/pm_risti.jpg and there are lot of people who are likely to take offence if someone decides to censor that, it identifies the greatest heroes of a nation after all. 
 
Last two texts were to prove the subjectivity of offence and stupidity of people who are eager to censor.
 
6. I have heard "free speech" "freedom from consequence" argument before as excuse for censorship. Only consequence for free speech should be that which other people can cause within limits of their free speech, which does not include censorship. 
 
7. If you get easily offended by words people say in chats, then sufficient solution is to have personal filter where individual person can "censor" messages he sees, or block messages to him, but does not affect other people beyond being harder to reach for them. Maybe NQ could extend something like that to screens and such that exist in the game world. 
 
8. To make my stance clear, I do actually recognize exceptions to freedom of speech that should have not just in game-, but also legal consequences, but they aren't some vague bs like "hate speech" "racist" or "offensive" There are three main exceptions:
A) threat/direct incitement of violence or crime. 
Spreading false (especially harmful) lies about another person as fact (here I might tolerate, even support some burden of proof on person doing the spreading as proving negative could prove unreasonably hard for the other person)
C) Spreading true but private or secret/confidential information without permit (note I do not recognize secrecy on evidence of a crime, especially by governments, so I do support right of people like Snowden, Assagne and Manning to do what they did.). In games and anonymous social media names, addresses etc. would count as private information. 
 
Hell, I was just about to vote in elections couple of days ago during last pre-election day, for a guy that seemed quite decent and transparent, then I though about asking about free speech, first half a dozen words in his answer were good, then came the word hate speech, and I decided to wait till actual election day and reconsider who to vote. 
 
Well it seems, this discussion pushed my buttons. I think I end this novel here, for now at least.

I'm not for censorship per se. Dicks, boobs, words....Don't matter much to me, it's what it is: a game. When someone really annoys you then there's always the mute....
I have nothing against the (by us citizens) praised freedom of speech movement. Everyone should be allowed to express himself. But there's something called respect and etiquette - when everyone respects those two basic concepts of human interaction, no censorship is needed. (OH and this has nothing to do with respect for the other guy, just respect his opinion even when it's dumb). If my opponent can't even follow those two basic things then he's just a dumb a....h...
 
To me it only gets too far when rl would be involved, names/adresses/telephone numbers exchanged, and so on.

*sigh*
 
I never said you want to paint the world with genetilia and derogatory terms.  I am merely saying, that just like EVERY other online game NQ will be the sole judge, jury, and executioner.  There WILL be censorship, and it will be handled by them.  Nowhere did I say I was going to be making any decisions, that would be asinine and I assumed you would know that ^^
 
NQ has the right to keep their game clean, however they see fit.  And that will involve punishing genitilia and derogatory behavior.  Just like it is in every other single online MMO.
 
If you've played any online game before, you've gone through this process.  The only difference is the addition of visual additives in DU.  However, this has been seen in other MMOs with voxel or player input.
 
It's a non-issue.
 
If you're not singling out people, tearing people down, or being derogatory.  You have nothing to worry about.

This questions was brought up in a Q&A and answered; there will be a way to report things within the game. It is quite a silly/uncomfortable question when discussing an upcoming video game, but of course extremely relevant.
 
 

The cool thing about a sandbox MMO is there's no cookie cutter way to play the game
 
I personally don't want to be looking at dicks, "cunt" "fucker" "pussy" "lololofaggot" written into a mountain all day.  It would ruin the immersion of the game, as well as the taste.
 
Thankfully, I don't think it will be that prevalent of an issue... and once the first few culprits are warned/blocked/banned it won't be much of an issue.  I imagine it will be quite rare, and the "censorship" will be an aftermath type of thing.

I suggest reading the devblog on the RDMS. Access can be controlled to a degree but nothing is really going to stop someone from joining an org for the sole purpose of being a spy and thief if that is the way they want to play. That is the beauty of emergent game play, the game in a way will mimic a real world. If you are unsure about joining an organization then I suggest joining different discords of the ones that catch your attention and getting to know the people in them first.
 
In short there won't be much as far as a game mechanic that stops this from happening outside the RDMS and how we as players use it. It is up to each org to police themselves while preventing and stopping this from happening within.
 
edit: here is a link to a faq page we made
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