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Exactly source of my restlessness last 2 years. With only difference, that I kinda sharply felt that we being duped not on lines of wipe/not wipe (there was no doubts NQ will do it as logical finale), but much much before. With every year game being downgraded futher and futher from KS pitch -- something many of us paid for. So whole wipe thing is only last straw (for some?) in long chain of red flags planted on sides of road.
 
 
Again, nothing new with stage-managing and stage sweeping. This clear-ups of unconvinient opinions is not something new. Just before people who raised such question being often marginalized, attacked by "loyal subjects" (some of who now found themeselves on recieving end, suddenly).
 
If anything NQ always seriuosly struggled too be honest.
 
 

Exactly source of my restlessness last 2 years. With only difference, that I kinda sharply felt that we being duped not on lines of wipe/not wipe (there was no doubts NQ will do it as logical finale), but much much before. With every year game being downgraded futher and futher from KS pitch -- something many of us paid for. So whole wipe thing is only last straw (for some?) in long chain of red flags planted on sides of road.
 
 
Again, nothing new with stage-managing and stage sweeping. This clear-ups of unconvinient opinions is not something new. Just before people who raised such question being often marginalized, attacked by "loyal subjects" (some of who now found themeselves on recieving end, suddenly).
 
If anything NQ always seriuosly struggled too be honest.
 
 

There are loads of ways NQ could have kept the ‘magic BP’ promise. Make them: 
- One-time-use with no removal of parts/honeycomb, or deletion on removal 
- Manual request as above
- 1 repair ‘life’ left on elements
- Honeycomb only
- Static and space only 
But that’s not the whole problem. It’s the pretending they never promised it that’s even more concerning: Stage-managing us instead of just being honest. And muting those who remind them of it on Discord. 

The problem with this analogy is that i honestly don't care if NQ "survives" if they can't fulfill their end of a transaction that we entered into.
 
It's sort of like if i walked up to a Lemonade stand and ordered a glass of Lemonade and they were like "Ok coming right up" and then took my money.
 
And then after considering the cost of lemons, and sugar, and the labor it would require to juice the lemons.  They came back and said
 
"Oh boy we're so sorry but our business just couldn't survive if we made you a glass of lemonade, so here's a nice glass of water instead.  Now could you please step aside so we can sell some lemonade to the next person in line.
 
I get it that it's more profitable for NQ to launch the game again, but what about the launch that i already paid for?
 

lol. They are literally charging people for what they already paid for, and you have doubts about if they are "mostly after cash at any price"? They charged people for around two years, now they take everything away, and charge them to earn the talent points and everything else, all over again. Nothing new will be gained, it will take almost two years to get to the point the players were at. Maybe a little less with these silly bonus packages that they require you to sub for an additional 6 months to even earn.

Add to all this that they changed all the mechanics to take even longer than they ever did in the past, and it is very clear they are only in this to get people to have to stay around and pay a sub.
 
Name something FUN that they added to the game that hasn't turned into some form of passive "click and wait" mechanic. The amusing thing is that people are champing at the bit to pay them for what they already paid for.
 
This all smells way too sleazy.

I can't help but laugh at peoples saying "Now this is the release, there wont be another wipe !" or "You really thought there will be no wipe after a beta ?"
 

Beta release :
NQ - "No more full wipe now, we PROMISE !"
Players - "Yeay ! Let's play for real now, invest our time in it !"
 

Re-release :
NQ - "Here is the final full wipe !"
Players who played years - "F"
Players who have not played - "Yeay ! Get rid of all those beta cheaters ! Now I will play !"
 

Also NQ in this annoucement :
"We hope to have only one release"
 

It's HILARIOUS.
Good bye everyone. 

Well i suppose all of your theoretical future customers will be incredibly excited about having the playing field leveled for them.
 
I sure hope they exist. 
 
And i hope you aren't expecting us to promote the game to attract them.
 
Because i really don't see anything here worth promoting anymore.
 
 
 

Economy pretty much was owned by several exploiters good part of first year. And even when NQ gone eventually for some lazy bans, they prob we tiped about it or "sensed" somehow, cashing out irl for thousands of $/euro.

Whole "beyond curtains" story is immense shame. On level I rarely seen in serious MMO.

Look the wipe would be the perfect time to change things up and introduce new mechanics. 
 
First Id delete all but 1 of the outer planets and move the safe zones back to their original promised borders. 
 
Second I'd bring in player markets and remove all the markets outside of the alioth safe zone. 
 
Third I'd finally create and introduce energy systems to be the great balance that everything needs. 
 
Also anyone who thought there wouldnt be a wipe post beta was kidding themselves. If youd been here since the alphas and knew all the exploits and bugs, you'd know a wipe was the only option. 

DU Reddit, to put it midly and not feel Nyz breathing on my neck again, is very fanboy-heavy place. So they all obviously drammaticly whine, that if their crap removed, they will leave. So Reddit is more bubbly in this sense.
 
While forum is bit of wider mix, where more grumpy toxic people go negative (like me) present.
 
So both places not offer real picture.

economic stability, how do you figure they can archive that with people leaving the game?
 
the servers are not the resource, the players are the resources, NQ needs to gain and retain users badly
 
 

So you decided to rip off Eve directly once more. Not inventing a gameplay loop of your own but directly copying an existing one and not even trying to hide it. 
 
If I wanted to play eve I would go play that. But the way you guys keep going you might as well go back and work for CCP.

DU failed as wider content social game a la EVE (at least partly), degraded into ultra niche thing for several hundreds of stubborn nerds, who enjoy it as sort of voxel/lua editior. This is not viable commercially.
 
Can they turn it around? Unlikely. Time window for that if not gone, become immensly more narrow.

On contrary. Its very simple to read.
 
Their "intentions/direction" are not something solid or continous but ad hoc adapting to situation on ground. So key is situation, not what they talk about (quite often misleading, as JCs "no red flags" couple of month before its all exploded in one big red flag).
 
There is 4 clear phases so far we can observe, corresponding with time and money NQ have/had:
 
1) "KS fantasy" phase, when JC shared with us fairytales.
2) "Total mess" phase when JC encoutered cold facts, that gamedev is hard and everything gone wrong.
3) "Salvaging" phase, when JC left and NQ decided to simplify things to make them more viable (financially first of all) -- this optimization on many levels what is going on now. 
 
4) Next "Release" phase obviously will go with harder attemt to monetize. So it safe to predict, that (likely) indirectly gameplay will double down around mechanics changes stimulating people to spend more money. Because they at last need to make some invested money back, after all this empty years.
 
In what form? My bet it will be wipe with intent to drag all suriving and new players into new "race" from relative 0, so everyone stimulated to run (at least first several months) several accounts, burning both old dacs and giving NQ new sub money.
 
Its so logical in cynical way, i will be suprised not to see it.
 

DU failed as wider content social game a la EVE (at least partly), degraded into ultra niche thing for several hundreds of stubborn nerds, who enjoy it as sort of voxel/lua editior. This is not viable commercially.
 
Can they turn it around? Unlikely. Time window for that if not gone, become immensly more narrow.

DU failed as wider content social game a la EVE (at least partly), degraded into ultra niche thing for several hundreds of stubborn nerds, who enjoy it as sort of voxel/lua editior. This is not viable commercially.
 
Can they turn it around? Unlikely. Time window for that if not gone, become immensly more narrow.

Problem is, Minecraft, realisticly, has much more content and variety of gamestyles, then DU. Calling DU "Space Minecraft" is veeery huge compliment currently, even unjust thing to do. 
 

DU had a chance with right chain of priorities from early stages of development.
 
Best shot was much more political-social game, where interaction of player-made entities were main thing. Like EVE with 1st person, even with all limitations and trade-offs.
 
Yet NQ chosen to make it some some sort of half-assed building/grinding/flying_for_long_time game. This unlikely have any long run chance to survive. Simply too little of semi-solo nerds interested in building some crap 1000 hours from voxels or play 2000 hours with industry sitting alone on empty planet. Its not even niche, its like deep hole in niche.
 

DU had a chance with right chain of priorities from early stages of development.
 
Best shot was much more political-social game, where interaction of player-made entities were main thing. Like EVE with 1st person, even with all limitations and trade-offs.
 
Yet NQ chosen to make it some some sort of half-assed building/grinding/flying_for_long_time game. This unlikely have any long run chance to survive. Simply too little of semi-solo nerds interested in building some crap 1000 hours from voxels or play 2000 hours with industry sitting alone on empty planet. Its not even niche, its like deep hole in niche.
 

Larger problem is, that NQ pretty much choked actual player-made content/life (EVE-like conflict/competition driven "societal dynamics") and now desperatly trying to simulate some, apealing to minorty of surviving building/grinding nerds.
 
Its still major lack of content, mechanics and goals in game, this why organic playing experience will continue to stuggle and shrink.
 
Overall, who needs another empty grey boring halls with game already full of them. 
 
 

Wipe was inevitable pretty much since fist week, when game started like shit in terms of economy (without any meaninful direction or long-term plan).
 
Its hilarious to observe how NQ dancing around it 2 years now.

"Polishing a turd" was the expression that came to mind while reading..

Time overall against DU too.
 
Its slowly burns potential playerbase (that is quite special, niche one, of older age group), without ability to keep them concentrated in moment of time and produce some meaningful critical mass, momentum (to attract more people). So, it means that big chunk of potential base be to some degree familiar with game at "release", but already with negative perception. And because its pretty much deep 30+ game, it will be quite hard to simply wait for new older guys to apear in such rate to replace demographic loss. 
 
So every year in limbo means weaker position with population long-term. Wasteful burn over fist wave of KS people is already something quite irreplacebale.

This is cute.
 
Imagine thinking that a game with 100 players is viable.
 
NQ has 68 employees according to LinkedIn.  It's safe to assume that they are burning through ~5m a year - in short they need 50k paid accounts to break even.
 
 
 

Of course there are ... anyone experience and say anything, you will jump to say the contrary, and how everything is so nice and dandy and we, all except you, are somehow wrong ... 
We've been here since 2016. We are still waiting for the actual GAME. Which isn't there, and most probably never will be, unless some radical change happens.