Atmosph3rik

I have to say i'm having a hard time understanding this.
 
When you say you're discussing a wipe internally, do you mean that you're discussing whether there is, or might be a technical reason that would require a wipe?  
 
Or are you discussing the possibility of wiping current customer's progress, for the purpose of providing a "fresh start" for perspective new customers?
 
The last clear statement that we were given was that you would do your best not to wipe our progress.  And I've been playing the game with that statement in mind, since then.
 
Saying that you are having a discussion, without clarifying which of those discussions you are having, is just throwing more gasoline on the fire.
 
 
 
 

So why would they wipe?  You still haven't given a reason that couldn't easily be accomplished without a wipe.
 
You keep bringing up that a wipe has always been on the table, but the context of the statements that you're referring to make it incredibly clear that they will not wipe for any of the reasons that you've suggested.
 
You can make all the predictions you want.  But when you manipulate the truth to back them up it kind of makes it seem like you're just here to change the outcome in your favor.  
 
I know you don't care whether they wipe or not, but there are about a hundred posts on here in the last month that seem to suggest otherwise.

So why would they wipe?  You still haven't given a reason that couldn't easily be accomplished without a wipe.
 
You keep bringing up that a wipe has always been on the table, but the context of the statements that you're referring to make it incredibly clear that they will not wipe for any of the reasons that you've suggested.
 
You can make all the predictions you want.  But when you manipulate the truth to back them up it kind of makes it seem like you're just here to change the outcome in your favor.  
 
I know you don't care whether they wipe or not, but there are about a hundred posts on here in the last month that seem to suggest otherwise.

So why would they wipe?  You still haven't given a reason that couldn't easily be accomplished without a wipe.
 
You keep bringing up that a wipe has always been on the table, but the context of the statements that you're referring to make it incredibly clear that they will not wipe for any of the reasons that you've suggested.
 
You can make all the predictions you want.  But when you manipulate the truth to back them up it kind of makes it seem like you're just here to change the outcome in your favor.  
 
I know you don't care whether they wipe or not, but there are about a hundred posts on here in the last month that seem to suggest otherwise.

So why would they wipe?  You still haven't given a reason that couldn't easily be accomplished without a wipe.
 
You keep bringing up that a wipe has always been on the table, but the context of the statements that you're referring to make it incredibly clear that they will not wipe for any of the reasons that you've suggested.
 
You can make all the predictions you want.  But when you manipulate the truth to back them up it kind of makes it seem like you're just here to change the outcome in your favor.  
 
I know you don't care whether they wipe or not, but there are about a hundred posts on here in the last month that seem to suggest otherwise.

So why would they wipe?  You still haven't given a reason that couldn't easily be accomplished without a wipe.
 
You keep bringing up that a wipe has always been on the table, but the context of the statements that you're referring to make it incredibly clear that they will not wipe for any of the reasons that you've suggested.
 
You can make all the predictions you want.  But when you manipulate the truth to back them up it kind of makes it seem like you're just here to change the outcome in your favor.  
 
I know you don't care whether they wipe or not, but there are about a hundred posts on here in the last month that seem to suggest otherwise.

Where did JC say there would be a wipe? 
 
What he actually said was, here (1:30) the reason for a wipe would be "(there is) something that we need to fix and there is no other but to wipe to fix it. I don't see anything like that coming... it's something that would happen if we really had no choice..." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOp9nDzkxpc
 
Then he said here (58:26), when they were considering a terrain wipe for Alioth, "there would be a gold rush to get back to whatever you wanted. That's actually not a good idea. We decided that we would rather not do that. There has already been a lot of investment made by a lot of people to terraform very very substantial parts of the planets... It would be a very bad thing to say 'sorry guys, restart from scratch.'" And that was just on a terrain wipe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ai3Kk37ntgg
 
Sure, NQ re-neged on the terrain wipe. (We all saw how that went.) It doesn't mean it's cool to reneg on game wipe as well.
 Better to have a few rich people, than no people at all. 

If you think Minecraft + Eve sounds bad, then i would forget about Dual Universe and never look back.
 
Because that's the dream. 
 
We're only about halfway there, at best.  But that's where we're going.
 
If you don't like the sound of it, you're wasting your time

I have to say i'm having a hard time understanding this.
 
When you say you're discussing a wipe internally, do you mean that you're discussing whether there is, or might be a technical reason that would require a wipe?  
 
Or are you discussing the possibility of wiping current customer's progress, for the purpose of providing a "fresh start" for perspective new customers?
 
The last clear statement that we were given was that you would do your best not to wipe our progress.  And I've been playing the game with that statement in mind, since then.
 
Saying that you are having a discussion, without clarifying which of those discussions you are having, is just throwing more gasoline on the fire.
 
 
 
 

I have to say i'm having a hard time understanding this.
 
When you say you're discussing a wipe internally, do you mean that you're discussing whether there is, or might be a technical reason that would require a wipe?  
 
Or are you discussing the possibility of wiping current customer's progress, for the purpose of providing a "fresh start" for perspective new customers?
 
The last clear statement that we were given was that you would do your best not to wipe our progress.  And I've been playing the game with that statement in mind, since then.
 
Saying that you are having a discussion, without clarifying which of those discussions you are having, is just throwing more gasoline on the fire.
 
 
 
 

I have to say i'm having a hard time understanding this.
 
When you say you're discussing a wipe internally, do you mean that you're discussing whether there is, or might be a technical reason that would require a wipe?  
 
Or are you discussing the possibility of wiping current customer's progress, for the purpose of providing a "fresh start" for perspective new customers?
 
The last clear statement that we were given was that you would do your best not to wipe our progress.  And I've been playing the game with that statement in mind, since then.
 
Saying that you are having a discussion, without clarifying which of those discussions you are having, is just throwing more gasoline on the fire.
 
 
 
 

I have to say i'm having a hard time understanding this.
 
When you say you're discussing a wipe internally, do you mean that you're discussing whether there is, or might be a technical reason that would require a wipe?  
 
Or are you discussing the possibility of wiping current customer's progress, for the purpose of providing a "fresh start" for perspective new customers?
 
The last clear statement that we were given was that you would do your best not to wipe our progress.  And I've been playing the game with that statement in mind, since then.
 
Saying that you are having a discussion, without clarifying which of those discussions you are having, is just throwing more gasoline on the fire.
 
 
 
 

I have to say i'm having a hard time understanding this.
 
When you say you're discussing a wipe internally, do you mean that you're discussing whether there is, or might be a technical reason that would require a wipe?  
 
Or are you discussing the possibility of wiping current customer's progress, for the purpose of providing a "fresh start" for perspective new customers?
 
The last clear statement that we were given was that you would do your best not to wipe our progress.  And I've been playing the game with that statement in mind, since then.
 
Saying that you are having a discussion, without clarifying which of those discussions you are having, is just throwing more gasoline on the fire.
 
 
 
 

I have to say i'm having a hard time understanding this.
 
When you say you're discussing a wipe internally, do you mean that you're discussing whether there is, or might be a technical reason that would require a wipe?  
 
Or are you discussing the possibility of wiping current customer's progress, for the purpose of providing a "fresh start" for perspective new customers?
 
The last clear statement that we were given was that you would do your best not to wipe our progress.  And I've been playing the game with that statement in mind, since then.
 
Saying that you are having a discussion, without clarifying which of those discussions you are having, is just throwing more gasoline on the fire.
 
 
 
 

I have to say i'm having a hard time understanding this.
 
When you say you're discussing a wipe internally, do you mean that you're discussing whether there is, or might be a technical reason that would require a wipe?  
 
Or are you discussing the possibility of wiping current customer's progress, for the purpose of providing a "fresh start" for perspective new customers?
 
The last clear statement that we were given was that you would do your best not to wipe our progress.  And I've been playing the game with that statement in mind, since then.
 
Saying that you are having a discussion, without clarifying which of those discussions you are having, is just throwing more gasoline on the fire.
 
 
 
 

Economy is far from dead. Does stuff insta sell on the market? no, It can be weeks for an item to sell, but then the next week you can hardly keep the stuff stocked.
 
You will always sell ore. Its a great way to make money. Even those people with multiple accounts and years of gameplay still sell ore. There are other ways to make money besides selling ore and factory work. (selling ship/ship designs, Selling station/station designs, Selling ore locations, Transporting goods for players, Running aphilia missions, skilling up in Handling skills and buffing other peoples things, Selling things you pirate, And soon what ever these alien things bring us, might even find a situation of guns for hire being a thing. 
 
A new player can compete with players with multiple accounts/years of gameplay in industry. You can hire people to touch your machines so they are running at max efficiency. 
 
If you dont like territory scanning you dont have to. Other people like to scan and you can buy scans off of them. You want random new resources? we already got those they are called asteroids, you want more? Well the new alien mechanic coming in is going to be just that. 
 
This infatuation that a wipe is going to make everything great is just laughable. You say your tired of mining ore just to sell because industry is not worth it for new players. Well with a wipe, industry is not going to be worth it for new players. Atleast not solo players. Its going to be the group of 20 or 50 people that work industry togeather.  And they are not going to sell those first things cheap. So while you say your tired of selling ore, with a wipe your going to mine allot more and sell allot more to be able to buy the things your buying now. 
 
Basically your way better off now as a new player then you would be after a wipe. 

The idea of switching out scrap types multiple times during a repair job makes my skin crawl. The majority of the time if I’m doing repairs it’s multiple element types. As for the price differences, we’ll I think the market is going to dictate the cost of a given ore but it’s nice to have a variety of sources, so you can use what you have. 

You keep skipping past all the entry level content, right to the most profitable and hardest thing.  And then you try to do it with no research, planning, or effort, and when you fail, you come here and blame NQ.
 
I can't speak for everyone, but most of us here are benefiting from each other's knowledge and experience.
 
There's nothing wrong with listening to other people and letting them help you.  I do it constantly.
 
If you chose not to, then it was your decision to make the game harder than it needs to be.
 
 

I don't really care what you've contributed.  Nothing earns you the right to demand they tear it all down because you're bored.
 
It's so mind numbingly selfish.
 

What was the first argument/reason?  Just removing constructs from sanctuary, that could easily be removed with abandonment?
 
They just reset the planetary terrain.  And they could do it again if they needed too.  Although it seems unlikely after all the trouble they went to helping people dig out their underground bases.  If they were planning to wipe that would seem like a pretty big waste of dev time.
 
Even if they did need to do another terrain wipe, there's no reason they would need to wipe Quanta.  And I don't see why they would need to redistribute the ore pools, or unclaim territories either.
 
If it can easily be done without a wipe, it isn't an argument for a wipe.
 
There is currently no reason to wipe progress, except to provide another "fresh start".  And doing that after they already sold the experience once would be dishonest, but more importantly it devalues their product.  Who wants to play a persistent world game that gets reset every time it might be more profitable?
 
You keep claiming that there's no such thing as a "level playing field" but resetting territory claims and Quanta and schematics would be a huge leveling of the playing field.
 
If you don't think NQ has any intention of leveling the playing field, or you think that's not what anyone is asking for (despite the OP clearly asking for it), i don't understand why you keep desperately grasping at reasons for it to happen.
 
 

I got sidetracked so i actually forgot to argue my main point.
 
From an economical standpoint NQ needs to attract new players in large numbers as quickly as possible, no argument against that.
But even from NQ's perspective there is still value in the old players. And that is to show player retention in the game. Point being there is little use in wiping for new players, if the current core game mechanics are unable to keep even the more dedicated backers from leaving. And I have yet to see any sensible argument for how a wipe will solve the core mechanics of this game.
 
I.e. any short term advantage gained from a wipe that might attract new players, would quickly be lost once they discover how little actual game player there is. And we all know it is MUCH harder to get someone back, once they leave. And the community and youtube backlash would become even worse then what it already is today. So in my opinion it would be in NQ's best interest to avoid any draconian measures for attracting new players, until the game retention is proven to be  drastically improved. And ironically I suspect that if NQ ever manage to make such a game, then there would no longer be any need for a wipe either..
 
Edit: So the only wipe that makes sense to me, is a wipe that would be required to introduce large sweeping changes that would drastically improve the game. And that is what I think NQ meant, when they said then they would like to avoid a wipe as long as it was technically possible.

I think some people are more interested in making predictions, and being right, then having an honest discussion about why NQ would wipe.  And whether it would be good or bad for the game, in the long term.
 
I'm very much aware that NQ could decide to wipe.  That's why i'm here discussing it.  But i only see one reason that they would consider it, and it's to provide the "fresh start" that the OP is asking for.
 
Launch, and the first few days/weeks after the final wipe is a HUGE deal in persistent world games like this.  People want to be there for it.  They will pay to be there for it.  They already paid to be there for it.
 
It's entirely possible NQ might be tempted to sell that product again.
 
And with absolutely no other reason for a wipe, that's exactly what they would be doing.  Selling out the game's future for a quick cash-grab.
 
 
 
 

You haven't presented a single reasonable argument yet Blaze.  Not One.
 
Why would they wipe?
 
Removing intentionally unabandoned constructs from sanctuary can easily be accomplished with abandonment if NQ decides that's something they need to do.  So you can forget about that one.

I think some people are more interested in making predictions, and being right, then having an honest discussion about why NQ would wipe.  And whether it would be good or bad for the game, in the long term.
 
I'm very much aware that NQ could decide to wipe.  That's why i'm here discussing it.  But i only see one reason that they would consider it, and it's to provide the "fresh start" that the OP is asking for.
 
Launch, and the first few days/weeks after the final wipe is a HUGE deal in persistent world games like this.  People want to be there for it.  They will pay to be there for it.  They already paid to be there for it.
 
It's entirely possible NQ might be tempted to sell that product again.
 
And with absolutely no other reason for a wipe, that's exactly what they would be doing.  Selling out the game's future for a quick cash-grab.
 
 
 
 

It's the same game with the same market dynamics. But next time everything will bz different I swear you just don't get it.
 
Explain it instead of doing condescending conjecture.
 
We get the money point, I'm happy to pay subscriptions but they can't release something so unfinished.