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Megastructures are awesome, but I'm seeing a few flaws in your reasoning and thinking here. The first is that you disregard some projects because they wouldn't be profitable, like a space elevator or a ringworld. You should absolutely consider that people may do things because they can or want to, not because they'll be profitable. It is a game, after all.
 
You also dismissed several construction projects that would rely on construction mechanics alone, like space elevators and ringworlds, which are already possible in DU because all they need to exist are building mechanics. You then say that projects people do would actually involve other things, like Dyson spheres and black hole farming, which require completely unconfirmed mechanics to actually be profitable.
 
Nevertheless, I think you're too closely comparing EVE macroengineering projects (which are predesigned with specific benefits) to what people can and might create in Dual Universe, which could be anything, for any reason. Players could continuously add on to a construction in space for years, it doesn't have to be a specific dead set project with blueprints, just something vague that it's a "thing" to go and build whatever on.
 
The ideas and everything you have here are cool. Nothing against you at all, I don't mean to come off as hostile, I just think you're trying a fit Dual Universe mechanics into a specific EVE economy, which is inappropriate. People in DU can build whatever they want, and as such many people will be driven less by profit and efficiency, and more so by the ability to be artistic, creative, imaginative, and simply to say "because we could".

And yet again, conveniently ignore the context and remainder of that comment/conversation.
 

Howdy folks!
Welcome back to the charts, I have once again started them and they will be posted, weekly, on Saturdays. This is to reduce the workload and stress that had been put on me. 
The charts have been reduced by one, that I didn't think worked with the rest and caused me issues last go around, this was the growth compared to other organizations chart. 
I have also made a few of the charts easier to read, like the unique member and total member count chart, with the addition of a count of total accumulation per week. This allows you to see how many new names are actually joining the organizations in the top ten, as well as who is just joining many organizations.

I have also included, within these sets, a data point from my last chart set - this is to see how much growth had occurred in my absence. 

I have also made a discord, for those that want the charts immediately, or want to know when they are posted, with links and access to my archive folder. 
Visit the Discord here!

Please, use this to suggest new data sets, chat about the data or even just hang out to chat with people with various interests in this field.

With that all being said, I really want to thank you fine people for the support I received when this was still running, and I appreciate the continued support even when I wasn't.

And now, without further ado, the charts! 

September 23rd, 2017
Organisation Top Ten Chart


The Top Ten Growth Rate


Unique Member / Total Member Totals and Growth Rates

 

Speak for yourself XD C# is amazeballs for game development.

Have fun fumbling through your C++ state machine, I'll be over here with my fancy C# delegates ;P

I like this project, it looks like fun! I'll be happy to participate. Because of all the organizations, and the benefits if team play, I feel that players in general will be prone to huddle up with their orgs and work on their own projects, which can end up having negative consequences; I could be wrong of course. Nevertheless, having a neutral and mutually beneficial community like this is just the thing a game like Dual Universe needs in a populated area. 
 
Looking forward to it, I hope it becomes a success!

I like this project, it looks like fun! I'll be happy to participate. Because of all the organizations, and the benefits if team play, I feel that players in general will be prone to huddle up with their orgs and work on their own projects, which can end up having negative consequences; I could be wrong of course. Nevertheless, having a neutral and mutually beneficial community like this is just the thing a game like Dual Universe needs in a populated area. 
 
Looking forward to it, I hope it becomes a success!

This shows the time, at least for the first day.
 

I like this project, it looks like fun! I'll be happy to participate. Because of all the organizations, and the benefits if team play, I feel that players in general will be prone to huddle up with their orgs and work on their own projects, which can end up having negative consequences; I could be wrong of course. Nevertheless, having a neutral and mutually beneficial community like this is just the thing a game like Dual Universe needs in a populated area. 
 
Looking forward to it, I hope it becomes a success!

DISCORD: https://discord.gg/CYNYpT9
PORTAL LINK: https://community.dualthegame.com/organization/tortuga
 
Tortuga City is a building project of immense proportions looking for builders and residents to join in this great undertaking. Tortuga aim’s to be a community created, neutral player hub for all players in Dual Universe. As Alpha/Beta are now underway, Tortuga’s evolution as a community and city will progress up through launch. We will be testing, making blueprints, and finding out what we really need to keep a city going strong.
 
At it’s heart, Tortuga is a city project for Dual Universe. Organization affiliations and agendas will play no part in the politics or development of this community hub.
Please read this statement about Project Tortuga from Cybrex, the Project Director for Tortuga: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-esur-s4sCeCwH3kDGlV90iz4JkHljSaTOLHaKz_FCk/edit?usp=sharing
 
WHY FOR YOU DU DIS??? 
 
Plenty of organizations have cities planned. Some of these are quite ambitious in scale and already quite advanced in planning. So why are we doing this?
 
Well, it turns out that a bunch of us from different organizations have a real world background; or work in; urban design, town planning, architecture, construction and geospatial (mapping) systems. 
 
And through the course of talking "shop", we realised that real towns and cities grow organically (while guided with zoning), and the idea of a single organization enforcing a certain architectural style or design thinking approach was a bit odd.
 
We wanted to make a place which, while based on some well thought out design rules and urban zoning, would have a feel of a free city, sprung up around trade, rather than a designed urban space (using a grid for instance) one sees with administrative cities such as Brasilia, Brasil, or Canberra, Australia. 
 
LOCATION?
 
In the best interest of developing a city long term, we want to place Tortuga in a safe zone. However, based on how little we know, we are not going to decide the location yet. We could build within the safe zone on the first starting planet, we could build on a floating asteroid in space, settle another planet in the starting solar system, or wait until build it in a completely different system.
 
This is what we plan to find during Alpha/Beta of Dual Universe. Finding out the best possible location that meets Tortuga’s needs.
 
HOW DO WE GET THERE?
 
For now, we have broken the development of Tortuga down into three basic phases. These stages of development will follow Dual Universe from the beginning of the Pre Alpha up until the final release.
 
Phase One: Theory discussion and brainstorming of possible starting points for building. Understanding how the build system works etc.
 
Phase Two: Deals with the actual planning and implementation of theories from Phase One. We will be piecing together Tortuga bit by bit as we finalize it’s layout. This will be a continuous process through Alpha/Beta until release.
 
Phase Three: Begins on the day Dual Universe officially launches. This is when we will be putting the city together in a live setting.
 
HOW TO GET INVOLVED?
 
Join our Discord! We have created a server for all interested in parties for Tortuga. This will also act as the main communication application for Tortuga even after release. Simply join the server, and state that you would like to get involved in the development of the project. If you just want to live in Tortuga, then that’s fine too, join anyway.
 
DISCORD: https://discord.gg/CYNYpT9
PORTAL LINK: https://community.dualthegame.com/organization/tortuga
 

The reason wheels are not on the near horizon is because of server stress. The constant physics of bouncing and conformity with the ground of a vehicle would be a lot to handle.
 
Imagine someone making a platform with 1000 wheels, running over some rocky terrain. It would be a huge amount of unnecessary physics calculations.

Silver tier gives you access to the beta, not alpha. Minimum for alpha access is gold tier. 

I am a labyrinth!

For the supporter packs to be cheaper than the now complete founder packs would kind of be a big middle finger to us all.
 
I'm not sure what you expect. This isn't battlefield where you hop into the alpha/beta just to play a fun free game for a while. This is a game where you can be a part of it's development, and actually help the developers make and shape the game. NQ wants dedicated people in their alpha, not trolls who are going to play it so they can trash it on YouTube for hits from their drama hungry subscribers.
 
Everything is worth what people will pay. I bought silver and am satisfied. Yama bought kyrium, he is satisfied. We all pledged what we did because we can, because it's worth it to us, and because we want to be a part of the game as it grows. If you can afford it but don't want to pay that much... Well that is exactly the reason NQ set things the way they did, they want people that do think it's worth it. And if you literally cannot afford it, that is unfortunate, and I'm sorry. But as a great scientist will one day say, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. 

For the supporter packs to be cheaper than the now complete founder packs would kind of be a big middle finger to us all.
 
I'm not sure what you expect. This isn't battlefield where you hop into the alpha/beta just to play a fun free game for a while. This is a game where you can be a part of it's development, and actually help the developers make and shape the game. NQ wants dedicated people in their alpha, not trolls who are going to play it so they can trash it on YouTube for hits from their drama hungry subscribers.
 
Everything is worth what people will pay. I bought silver and am satisfied. Yama bought kyrium, he is satisfied. We all pledged what we did because we can, because it's worth it to us, and because we want to be a part of the game as it grows. If you can afford it but don't want to pay that much... Well that is exactly the reason NQ set things the way they did, they want people that do think it's worth it. And if you literally cannot afford it, that is unfortunate, and I'm sorry. But as a great scientist will one day say, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. 

The wiki has a list of elements that we know of so far, but it's obviously far from complete. However, we will be updating it as more information becomes available to us. (Once the NDA drops ofc).
 
P.S. hey there Vis

For the supporter packs to be cheaper than the now complete founder packs would kind of be a big middle finger to us all.
 
I'm not sure what you expect. This isn't battlefield where you hop into the alpha/beta just to play a fun free game for a while. This is a game where you can be a part of it's development, and actually help the developers make and shape the game. NQ wants dedicated people in their alpha, not trolls who are going to play it so they can trash it on YouTube for hits from their drama hungry subscribers.
 
Everything is worth what people will pay. I bought silver and am satisfied. Yama bought kyrium, he is satisfied. We all pledged what we did because we can, because it's worth it to us, and because we want to be a part of the game as it grows. If you can afford it but don't want to pay that much... Well that is exactly the reason NQ set things the way they did, they want people that do think it's worth it. And if you literally cannot afford it, that is unfortunate, and I'm sorry. But as a great scientist will one day say, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. 

I was walking outside tonight and I found myself looking at a plane flying across the dark sky, I wondered where the stars were and when they would come out...
 
Then I remembered Dual Universe and how Large objects can be seen from far away. After which, I began to wonder if Dual Universe would have a Day/ Night Cycle and if night time would showcase stars if you looked up.
 
I, for one, would love to see this happen, if it hasn't already.
 
Also, can lights be seen from far away as well?

Well the video showing space flight between alioth and the moon does show them manipulating the position of the sun.  So I would say a day night cycle is planned.  No clue about the stars

At the risk of sounding like a denying blind sheep, I will say what I said back when they pushed the alpha off from the "first half of 2017". I think that their vision of what they want the alpha to be has changed; yes they may be behind their original schedule, but as they have made the game I think they realized that what they wanted to put out (and what they should be putting our for public perception) has changed over time.
 
It looks like they're making big development advancements every month. Each week they push the alpha off means another week they can make the game just a little bit better. Theres no good stopping point (or perhaps there is which is the pre-alpha that they are giving us now), so they just have to pick a point and go with it.
 
I could be totally wrong of course. 

Unfortunately, it most likely will not look as badass as the water you see on Unigine's demo videos. 
 
They want to do voxel water, but water is an incredibly difficult thing to do right in a game like Dual Universe. In the pre-alpha, water is just a layer of the ground at a certain level, with no effects on the players. They're not going to neglect water though, it's just going to take some time before we see it in game.

The reason wheels are not on the near horizon is because of server stress. The constant physics of bouncing and conformity with the ground of a vehicle would be a lot to handle.
 
Imagine someone making a platform with 1000 wheels, running over some rocky terrain. It would be a huge amount of unnecessary physics calculations.

There is no limit to how far you can dig in pre-alpha.
 
Once you reach the center, which will take approximately 5 hours if you did nothing but dig straight down nonstop, you will bounce around the absolute core like a spring. 
 
That is to say, if you reached the center of Alioth, you would bounce around the "room" you dug out. 
 
 

No wheeled vehicles. Hovercraft will be the ground vehicles. Wheeled vehicles could be possible in a later expansion after release.

At the risk of sounding like a denying blind sheep, I will say what I said back when they pushed the alpha off from the "first half of 2017". I think that their vision of what they want the alpha to be has changed; yes they may be behind their original schedule, but as they have made the game I think they realized that what they wanted to put out (and what they should be putting our for public perception) has changed over time.
 
It looks like they're making big development advancements every month. Each week they push the alpha off means another week they can make the game just a little bit better. Theres no good stopping point (or perhaps there is which is the pre-alpha that they are giving us now), so they just have to pick a point and go with it.
 
I could be totally wrong of course.