jkspartan

Its clear NQ is not going to learn or care what the player base says and most players are brainwashed so yeah

I understand the reasoning behind the logging changes NQ is making, but it is not going to stop the players they are looking to target with this and overshoot the intended purpose for that reason. This will be another "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" situation IMO.
 
The removal of logging only really hurts the players who use it in a productive and functional way, effectively creating the "emergent gameplay" NQ like to refer to.
It is trivial to write an overlay that is completely invisible to the game (or EQU8) to then write information to a screen and/or the HUD and OCR it off of there to use it outside the game, A bit more work than getting it from the logs but not by much once the tool is written (which is really, really easy)
 
Also, on the volume comments, I am not sure how that could be difficult to the point where it required "deep changes" as it is as simple as a DirectX object which I'd expect would be exposed to the Lua subsystem anyway for a number of other reasons. 
 

I am hearing scuttle about a "Space Tax" if this is true then the question begs WHAT are all these taxes for why its a simple question that most have asked here. Is it to attempt to punish those that are wealthy, I can assure you that will not work it never does? Is it to in your NQ eyes help the economy, again I can assure you it will not. We need answers to our questions, we in fact demand these answers as the future of this game and your very jobs may very well depend on it.

So if they NQ are so hell bent for leather and decide to keep this update as is an push it out without any or minor changes then the following items mentioned MUST be increased:
 
1. The amount of ore per tile or as you NQ have it in the update the amount of ore available in the pool and the diversity of that pool in addition to the amount of each type or tier  
2. The amount of safe zone asteroids 12 to X number is not going to cut it, there needs to be at least 20 to 50 per week 
3. On the subject of asteroids have chance weekly that an advanced will spawn in the SZ, I understand rare and exotic in PVP space but give new players a chance at those higher asteroids with higher tier ore
4. If you all are bent on keeping the taxes that high per week then not only do the above but also increase the payout and number of SZ (safe zone) missions. 
5. In addition to these above suggestions and in line with taxes increase the daily payout to 250,000 this will incentivize players to log in and give NQ a chance to give the taxes back to the community and spur the economy.
 
Or
 
You (NQ) could do none of these and ignore the countless other suggestions and comments barreling full steam ahead to the rapid end of this game.  You have something great and it can be made better, as I have said you are not going to please everyone all the time its a give and take. The community is very diverse in this game and that is a good thing for everyone I have met people from all over the world in my time in MMOs. I mean think about it this way we are all coming together to achieve a common goal when is the times of this world we live in does that happen in any one persons country. 
 
Some of us come here to escape the stresses of life, whether it be our job, family issues or the many other things any given person could be going through we come here for community, fun, creativity and for some a chance to belong to something bigger if you so choose to be in a massive Org. Please listen to the community and give us feedback that you are listening and you are looking at these comments as you have asked us to do so many times. 

There are ways to kick inactive players without taxing the current player base to death i.e. out of the game and yes and no on the mining will bring enough ore to pay the taxes if the prices of ore fall then what. Now we all know that is not likely to happen in the short term but it could then there would not be enough to pay the taxes and that is also a relative term and really driven by how many tiles each player owns. 

DU differs from EVE in one very important aspect. DU is/was supposed to be a persistent universe with unlimited terraforming and building.
 
And as such, there need to be some mechanism for solo players and small orgs to be able to step away from the game for some time, and NOT lose all the work they have put into building permanent bases etc.
 
As I see it, this is just another chapter in the build vs destroy balance problem, where a PvP'er can destroy in minutes something it took months for a builder to make. I.e the PvP'er wins by default, and the builders leave the game.

Historically, ALL of Helios was safe - no PvP at all. Then a small region of space was defined as PvP Zone. Then PvP zone was extended to what we have now. Thats what happened, but the dream envisioned was PvP everywhere (including on planets) except Sanctuary and an extended region around the Ark ship (which incuded markets before the Ark was moved).

To paraphrase: No dream survives first contact with reality.

Eh? When did this vote happen? Only historic polls i can see from the past had a large majority swing in favour of pvp.

His body language when asked the question from my experience says this is getting put out just like this. Or they would have made the adjustment for this weekend to quench the flames.

NQ: We want your feedback!

Players:  Ore yields are too low, taxes too high. Here are several different ways to make this update viable. 

NQ: PTS Open again! With no changes to anything players were worried about not being changed.

I mean, I have to give credit where credit is due, they are freaking experts at just ignoring feedback and pushing things anyways. 

I think we have NQ Pann to thank for the suggestion of territory loss as she came from EVE, so it can be concluded, since they NQ will not answer us that any similarities in this game to EVE are the brain child of NQ Pann. 

Oh no I get that and I there on all of them LOUD and PROUD voicing my concerns right along with everyone else and in game as well. I too feel the taxes are outrageous and I am pretty sure Entropy said monthly taxes not weekly 

I am hearing scuttle about a "Space Tax" if this is true then the question begs WHAT are all these taxes for why its a simple question that most have asked here. Is it to attempt to punish those that are wealthy, I can assure you that will not work it never does? Is it to in your NQ eyes help the economy, again I can assure you it will not. We need answers to our questions, we in fact demand these answers as the future of this game and your very jobs may very well depend on it.

https://youtu.be/FV54JaiAbmg?t=3183
53:10
 "Once that grace period is over you will actually loose ownership of that territory."

Yes I noticed that too, it contradicts itself.

Latest Vlog about Demeter - Time: 1:29
https://youtu.be/FV54JaiAbmg?t=5372
 
Question: NQ Shesch: It may be players not playing at the launch of Demeter and they come back after couple of months. They see their construct burred into the ground. Can they ask for help to dig out the construct.
 
NQ Deckard , Answer: absolutely yes.
 
My Question: How is this possible if their taxes are not paid. It is the case If they are not playing at the launch of Demeter and coming back after couple of months after launch. Ownership of the tile is gone and there is new owner. And possibly whole base is looted.

What is the benefit of a flat tax on territories. I love that it is now a weekly maintenance but the old exponential cost increase worked so well. Why was that system dropped? It worked so well to make it a manageable cost for solo players and small orgs but also did a pretty good job of reining in large orgs of taking over. The flat tax is just oppressive and a blunt instrument when we needed a scalpel. 

So you want us to strip? ?

So if they NQ are so hell bent for leather and decide to keep this update as is an push it out without any or minor changes then the following items mentioned MUST be increased:
 
1. The amount of ore per tile or as you NQ have it in the update the amount of ore available in the pool and the diversity of that pool in addition to the amount of each type or tier  
2. The amount of safe zone asteroids 12 to X number is not going to cut it, there needs to be at least 20 to 50 per week 
3. On the subject of asteroids have chance weekly that an advanced will spawn in the SZ, I understand rare and exotic in PVP space but give new players a chance at those higher asteroids with higher tier ore
4. If you all are bent on keeping the taxes that high per week then not only do the above but also increase the payout and number of SZ (safe zone) missions. 
5. In addition to these above suggestions and in line with taxes increase the daily payout to 250,000 this will incentivize players to log in and give NQ a chance to give the taxes back to the community and spur the economy.
 
Or
 
You (NQ) could do none of these and ignore the countless other suggestions and comments barreling full steam ahead to the rapid end of this game.  You have something great and it can be made better, as I have said you are not going to please everyone all the time its a give and take. The community is very diverse in this game and that is a good thing for everyone I have met people from all over the world in my time in MMOs. I mean think about it this way we are all coming together to achieve a common goal when is the times of this world we live in does that happen in any one persons country. 
 
Some of us come here to escape the stresses of life, whether it be our job, family issues or the many other things any given person could be going through we come here for community, fun, creativity and for some a chance to belong to something bigger if you so choose to be in a massive Org. Please listen to the community and give us feedback that you are listening and you are looking at these comments as you have asked us to do so many times. 

Today it is possible that several solo players have a large main building shared on 3 tiles. This means that you will directly impose on him 3 Millions per week whereas today he was building quietly in his corner. The price of the tax is much too high and the problem with this tax is that money disappears from the games, it is not money that passes between the players.
Then today you started with the reasoning that the mining unit would generate ore that would be sold to generate money to pay for the tiles. What happens if the mineral market suddenly collapses? This method of generating kantas would then no longer be possible and there would therefore remain the missions, thus forcing the players to do missions.
We must find a fair balance between everything then either it is the increase in the quantities per tile and go from an average of 250l / h to 2500l / h for example or then we must greatly review this tax.
The advantage of the ore veins was to give a boost to the seekers when there was for example a great need for voxels. Today there are asteroids to hope to release a large quantity of minerals or the market but still there must be some kantas in the pockets of the players.
An important request that should be updated quickly: A "streamer mode" which would hide information such as the name of the asteroid where we are digging, this reveals our position for pvp players ...

So if they NQ are so hell bent for leather and decide to keep this update as is an push it out without any or minor changes then the following items mentioned MUST be increased:
 
1. The amount of ore per tile or as you NQ have it in the update the amount of ore available in the pool and the diversity of that pool in addition to the amount of each type or tier  
2. The amount of safe zone asteroids 12 to X number is not going to cut it, there needs to be at least 20 to 50 per week 
3. On the subject of asteroids have chance weekly that an advanced will spawn in the SZ, I understand rare and exotic in PVP space but give new players a chance at those higher asteroids with higher tier ore
4. If you all are bent on keeping the taxes that high per week then not only do the above but also increase the payout and number of SZ (safe zone) missions. 
5. In addition to these above suggestions and in line with taxes increase the daily payout to 250,000 this will incentivize players to log in and give NQ a chance to give the taxes back to the community and spur the economy.
 
Or
 
You (NQ) could do none of these and ignore the countless other suggestions and comments barreling full steam ahead to the rapid end of this game.  You have something great and it can be made better, as I have said you are not going to please everyone all the time its a give and take. The community is very diverse in this game and that is a good thing for everyone I have met people from all over the world in my time in MMOs. I mean think about it this way we are all coming together to achieve a common goal when is the times of this world we live in does that happen in any one persons country. 
 
Some of us come here to escape the stresses of life, whether it be our job, family issues or the many other things any given person could be going through we come here for community, fun, creativity and for some a chance to belong to something bigger if you so choose to be in a massive Org. Please listen to the community and give us feedback that you are listening and you are looking at these comments as you have asked us to do so many times.   

So as my First Sergeant in the Army use to say I can't even make this stuff up, I started a miner the day the PTS went live and just checked the container it has 1800L in it. You have got to be kidding right there is no way this is going to support anyone in this game currently. Look I know and I have seen the other players trying to sell this with there analysis and showing off how they could make millions of quanta a week but looking at this set up there is no way and no way you are going to convince me other wise the proof is in the pudding on this one.

My guess is if this goes to live server as is and these taxes are not reduced significantly or done away with all together this is the end of this game 

I see others commenting on the taxes if they are that high and I have not even gotten that far yet then you can forget it you are about to loose the rest of the player base which is about 8 people 

This weekend release of the PTS NQ was supposed to be playing with the community and I have yet to see any of that so again lies