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Yea this is frustrating and I feel your pain. My T1 flowers weren't making more money then the taxes on it and paying those kept me in a constant state of broke. I was never more than a few days of missing a tax bill. I was running missions but it takes too long and isnt fun so to survive, I pulled all of my miners, left my flowers to the dust bin of history and have been far richer since. It doesnt solve your problem but it is a bandaid until your issues are finally resolved. 

Yea this is frustrating and I feel your pain. My T1 flowers weren't making more money then the taxes on it and paying those kept me in a constant state of broke. I was never more than a few days of missing a tax bill. I was running missions but it takes too long and isnt fun so to survive, I pulled all of my miners, left my flowers to the dust bin of history and have been far richer since. It doesnt solve your problem but it is a bandaid until your issues are finally resolved. 

Yea this is frustrating and I feel your pain. My T1 flowers weren't making more money then the taxes on it and paying those kept me in a constant state of broke. I was never more than a few days of missing a tax bill. I was running missions but it takes too long and isnt fun so to survive, I pulled all of my miners, left my flowers to the dust bin of history and have been far richer since. It doesnt solve your problem but it is a bandaid until your issues are finally resolved. 

Yea this is frustrating and I feel your pain. My T1 flowers weren't making more money then the taxes on it and paying those kept me in a constant state of broke. I was never more than a few days of missing a tax bill. I was running missions but it takes too long and isnt fun so to survive, I pulled all of my miners, left my flowers to the dust bin of history and have been far richer since. It doesnt solve your problem but it is a bandaid until your issues are finally resolved. 

Yea this is frustrating and I feel your pain. My T1 flowers weren't making more money then the taxes on it and paying those kept me in a constant state of broke. I was never more than a few days of missing a tax bill. I was running missions but it takes too long and isnt fun so to survive, I pulled all of my miners, left my flowers to the dust bin of history and have been far richer since. It doesnt solve your problem but it is a bandaid until your issues are finally resolved. 

What I loved about this game and I really mean loved, is the fact I could start on a tile, mine the 4 basic rocks and turn that into a base, then that base could become a factory and start producing ship parts and I could build that ship and fly to space without ever leaving that tile. The only thing I would need is a core or 2 but really that's it. That concept is really attractive to me. 
 
In a sense, I am self reliant and I honestly dont think that's an issue. It's the way I wanted to play before 0.23 and I dont want to be forced to play together. (I'm not opposed to it, just the forced play style)
 
Either i can build "everything" myself or I wont play the game so is the game better off without me? Is NQ better off with one less sub? 
 
The mistake NQ makes is looking across the whole game and making decisions that fit their way of playing instead of a case by case basis. 
 
It really comes down to a player and if I want to build everything and I can't, is the game better without me? I'm not sure how it is but I'm sure many will disagree. 

What I loved about this game and I really mean loved, is the fact I could start on a tile, mine the 4 basic rocks and turn that into a base, then that base could become a factory and start producing ship parts and I could build that ship and fly to space without ever leaving that tile. The only thing I would need is a core or 2 but really that's it. That concept is really attractive to me. 
 
In a sense, I am self reliant and I honestly dont think that's an issue. It's the way I wanted to play before 0.23 and I dont want to be forced to play together. (I'm not opposed to it, just the forced play style)
 
Either i can build "everything" myself or I wont play the game so is the game better off without me? Is NQ better off with one less sub? 
 
The mistake NQ makes is looking across the whole game and making decisions that fit their way of playing instead of a case by case basis. 
 
It really comes down to a player and if I want to build everything and I can't, is the game better without me? I'm not sure how it is but I'm sure many will disagree. 

Some studios have a knack for making simple things fun for example, NQ on the other hand has a knack of doing something and it has the opposite effect they want. It's really uncanny. They need more subs to keep the lights on quite likely so they drop demeter which only nails the coffin shut on my friends ever returning. If our tiles and constructs are gone, noone is coming back. 
 
What would help is NQ has an internal development meeting, record decisions and ideas as a result and then implement the exact opposite. That might be a game worth playing if it happened over a long enough period of time.

NQ will never say there is a wipe because who would play? Subs would go down if we knew there was a wipe outside of bps and skill points. They are already desperate for subs.

So this was one of the awesome *NOT* nerfs a year ago in 0.23. There were some "abusing" this and instead of a sensible limitation so someone couldn't move a ship over a large distance, the limitation now hits those with scanning ships. We all complained but it doesnt seem this was ever adjusted since 0.23. Agreed it's a problem but it wont be adjusted since NQ already "fixed" it. 

I really enjoyed your post and have read it a couple of times. Each time I feel the itch to resub I read this over again and realize it just doesnt sound fun. I do wonder what numbers you are seeing now that demeter has dropped assuming you play anymore? 
 
I do wonder if so many people have to mine now to pay for taxes (yes I know there are missions and asteroids but that doesnt fit everyone's playstyle), who is buying all of the ore? There are no bots from what I can tell so we all are suppose to sell to each other? I dont see myself ever buying ore so who do we sell to?

Agreed, I realize you were using best case numbers to start which are really not achievable so reality would sadly tell the true story as you did above. I assumed there was a good chance on many tiles that your production would go to taxes with nothing or very little left over. Knowing NQ since "beta" I can say there is very little chance we will see a meaningful rollback, at best they will "listen" to us and increase some mining outputs but nothing meaningful.

This is a really clear sign of the shape NQ is in atm. Internships, though are attractive because they seem "cheap" are not going to yield the results NQ desperatly needs right now and its insult to injury that's it for 6 months. No intern in 6 short months will do anything meaningful, it takes a junior engineer 6 months to learn the software development process, company culture let alone the game they are coding for.
 
I suppose this is th reason that I keep.comong back to the forums despite not playing for a year. How can a company in seemingly poor financial shape and staff leaving and being let go, somehow trip over their potentially best resource. 
 
If the ship is sinking and everyone is jumping off, how do you miss a player driven lifeboat along side attempting to plug the holes and bail the water. 
 
It does keep me coming back to the forums to watch because it's quite unbelievable. 

This is a really clear sign of the shape NQ is in atm. Internships, though are attractive because they seem "cheap" are not going to yield the results NQ desperatly needs right now and its insult to injury that's it for 6 months. No intern in 6 short months will do anything meaningful, it takes a junior engineer 6 months to learn the software development process, company culture let alone the game they are coding for.
 
I suppose this is th reason that I keep.comong back to the forums despite not playing for a year. How can a company in seemingly poor financial shape and staff leaving and being let go, somehow trip over their potentially best resource. 
 
If the ship is sinking and everyone is jumping off, how do you miss a player driven lifeboat along side attempting to plug the holes and bail the water. 
 
It does keep me coming back to the forums to watch because it's quite unbelievable. 

Getting back to the OP, if there is a change here, it does make playing more difficult when large changes keep impacting the gaming environment. I dont care if we call this alpha, beta, gamma, gold or dead, this is making a substatnial change that has a massive impact on how everyone is playing. If changes of this scale are on the table, I'd wait to put any serious time into it or we will constantly be pivoting. 
 
Real life example, if I am starting a business and 6 months later, the rules change to make that business now in a downtown area with a massive tax, I have to pivot and costs time and money. If things aren't stabilized, that's fine but it would have been nice to know.

If the rationale for taxes is to clear out inactive tiles wouldn't it make more sense to actually add FUN content so people come back and become active again.
 
It's obvious that NQ doenst actually play this game still. They think, rea life has death and taxes so they both have to be in game too? What?
 
So many changes starting with 0.23 only makes the game tedious. Paying taxes is suppose to be fun? Mining unit mini game is suppose to be fun?
 
Taxes may "solve" a problem but without the ability to physically mine the rewards of these mining units will be used to mostly pay taxes. 
 
Taxes in game destroy capital, remove content and slow progression. That money serves no real purpose it's simply cancelled. 

If the rationale for taxes is to clear out inactive tiles wouldn't it make more sense to actually add FUN content so people come back and become active again.
 
It's obvious that NQ doenst actually play this game still. They think, rea life has death and taxes so they both have to be in game too? What?
 
So many changes starting with 0.23 only makes the game tedious. Paying taxes is suppose to be fun? Mining unit mini game is suppose to be fun?
 
Taxes may "solve" a problem but without the ability to physically mine the rewards of these mining units will be used to mostly pay taxes. 
 
Taxes in game destroy capital, remove content and slow progression. That money serves no real purpose it's simply cancelled. 

Hearing about this upcoming demeter drop has been painful. I dont have much resources but I do own around 4 or 5 tiles on 3 different planets iirc. Havent played since 0.23 and all my friends quit last Dec. If territories are lost and the price we paid isnt refunded, my friends and I are NEVER coming back. If our constructs on those territories are not recoverable in a BP, we are NEVER coming back. 
 
After the 0.23 disaster, the only thing go do in game was mine and now NQ is taking that out? 
 
I cant resub for a month so I need to drop $20 to attempt to move my stuff back to sanctuary that was a death sentence a year ago but now it's the only place to go to escape taxes. I wish it was worth it but I'll never convince my friends to do this. 
 
If we ever hope to get people back, there has to be a solution that doesnt take people's progression. Nooone will come back if they lose everything
 
 

If the rationale for taxes is to clear out inactive tiles wouldn't it make more sense to actually add FUN content so people come back and become active again.
 
It's obvious that NQ doenst actually play this game still. They think, rea life has death and taxes so they both have to be in game too? What?
 
So many changes starting with 0.23 only makes the game tedious. Paying taxes is suppose to be fun? Mining unit mini game is suppose to be fun?
 
Taxes may "solve" a problem but without the ability to physically mine the rewards of these mining units will be used to mostly pay taxes. 
 
Taxes in game destroy capital, remove content and slow progression. That money serves no real purpose it's simply cancelled. 

Hearing about this upcoming demeter drop has been painful. I dont have much resources but I do own around 4 or 5 tiles on 3 different planets iirc. Havent played since 0.23 and all my friends quit last Dec. If territories are lost and the price we paid isnt refunded, my friends and I are NEVER coming back. If our constructs on those territories are not recoverable in a BP, we are NEVER coming back. 
 
After the 0.23 disaster, the only thing go do in game was mine and now NQ is taking that out? 
 
I cant resub for a month so I need to drop $20 to attempt to move my stuff back to sanctuary that was a death sentence a year ago but now it's the only place to go to escape taxes. I wish it was worth it but I'll never convince my friends to do this. 
 
If we ever hope to get people back, there has to be a solution that doesnt take people's progression. Nooone will come back if they lose everything
 
 

If the rationale for taxes is to clear out inactive tiles wouldn't it make more sense to actually add FUN content so people come back and become active again.
 
It's obvious that NQ doenst actually play this game still. They think, rea life has death and taxes so they both have to be in game too? What?
 
So many changes starting with 0.23 only makes the game tedious. Paying taxes is suppose to be fun? Mining unit mini game is suppose to be fun?
 
Taxes may "solve" a problem but without the ability to physically mine the rewards of these mining units will be used to mostly pay taxes. 
 
Taxes in game destroy capital, remove content and slow progression. That money serves no real purpose it's simply cancelled. 

Wait? Huh? Not sure who you guys are but this doesnt make much sense. DU also is not a survival game. My goto game is a survival game and it actually has survival elements. I for one do not want DU to become a survival game, there are way better ones that DU will never surpass. 
 
I also dont agree that everyone should NOT be able to build anything they want. You should be able to make everything however, doing that takes time, RL time that is scarce and I simply could not devote the time needed to do everything so that is why I go to the markets. Plus I'd rather buy at a discount then make everything but the issue is allowing something doesnt mean that everyone will choose that course.
 
Real life example - I CAN sail around the world however it takes to long so I'd rather fly. The creators allowed me to sail but instead of making me fly, they let me decide and since my time is scarce, I choose what they were going for anyway but I still have options and can sail and or fly when I want to. See the difference now?

Agreed it is sad. In my 20+ years of gaming and MMOs, never has a heartbreaking of an update ever hit until 0.23. It is a paralyzing update and there is more fun elsewhere know but I still have hopes......hopefully realized in due time.

I really think you are trolling the entire forums with this. Absolutely disagree with everything you said and I have yet to find anyone that would think you are even remotely serious with this.
 
On a positive note, thanks for playing thousands of hours.

I really think you are trolling the entire forums with this. Absolutely disagree with everything you said and I have yet to find anyone that would think you are even remotely serious with this.
 
On a positive note, thanks for playing thousands of hours.