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Pretty sure NQ finds a valid solution for this. Dont worry. They discuss this internally. Really really difficult discussions. 

And that was the great thing about DU ie. make your own game. But it did not fit the PvP crowd that wanted to play iteration 2364 of the same old game. And so DU is now slowly changing to something .. not DU.
 
And this is probably the biggest mistake NQ did early on. They had a great foundation for a more open world building focused MMO, but wanted to please everyone by doing everything. And we all know how easy (not) that is..

Yes, they need to let a community build by supporting what the players are doing and letting them do more of it.
 
Not constantly limiting players, removing functionality they like and trying to make everyone play the game in a different way.
 
I'm pretty sure it's too late now.  I'm one of the ones who survived since the start of beta (with a few months off after 0.23) but have been angry about where things are going for a while now and it's getting worse all the time.  I'm at the point where I'm about to just completely walk away from the whole thing for good (and perhaps to check back in a couple of years).  I know other long time players who are talking about walking away too (whether they actually will or not remains to be seen).
 
So much for the snowball.

I always pictured DU's success would be the kind of slow snowball effect that happened with games like Minecraft.  That happens when one person sees another person enjoying the game, and they think, "Hey i might enjoy that too!".
 
But for that to happen they need to finish the game, and let the people who enjoy it, enjoy it.  And at the moment it honestly doesn't seem like either of those things are a priority anymore.
 
They have about half of an incredible game, and that in itself is pretty interesting, but they're only going to get away with capitalizing on that interest for so long.
 
  
 
 
 

Nothing to see here. Didn't answer pretty much anything while avoiding the only thing people actually care about. This feels repetitive to the point of not mattering.

That is easy to say if you don't have literally years worth of effort stored as assets in the game. A game where players have payed real money to play in a mmo where PERSISTENCE was one of the main selling points.
 
So basically you are saying that burning bridges with the founding players with years of experience in the game, is a good thing that will make a fresh start that will make new players flood the game for...   reasons..?
 
In my opinion the only thing that will be fresh from a full wipe, is the vitriol and bad reviews/negativity that it will generate.
 

This !!
 
I stopped all my subscriptions a day after the initial post from NQ (Shedding some fog ....)
With every day passing by my distance from the game grows - to get me back in this game NQ would have to produce a miracle.

Not only a good idea, but also in many ways the only correct action for NQ in a situation they can only blame themself for. And highlights how problematic the entire wipe discussion is with regard to NQ already charging player subscriptions.

If alienated, I will certainly pay 1 month subs to pass my 12 DACs to someone to keep the debt alive 😜

I'm sorry but i just don't believe that the discussion is ongoing.
 
Are we supposed to believe there's a room full of NQ employees sequestered somewhere for the last month just heatedly discussing this decision for eight hours a day?  Come on.
 
I know it's generally considered a good idea to rip the Band-Aid off as quickly as possible to minimize the pain, but in this case i think the wound may be festering while you're sitting around waiting for the most profitable moment to make your announcement.

Ah yes, another post announcing there will be an announcement in the future, I'm sure that will calm everyone's hearts. 

Yes it will be most smooth and 100% guaranteed bug and exploit free. Your post is well thought out and realistic.

I don't know how you Wipers develop this delusion that a wipe is going to miraculously bring in a bunch of new players who wouldn't play otherwise - aside from your own wishful thinking and a peer-group of likeminded friends probably reinforcing your bubble. There's just no evidence ever in any game that a wipe does anything more than swap out some old players for new less-committed players resulting in long-term decline. And those who are unhappy with their lot in the game - access to territory or resources - are just replaced with a different group of people who missed out on the latest land rush. Add to that it's also a reversal on a commitment made at beta launch ('magic BPs') and the result will be even worse. 

I can't resist, sorry:  Perhaps they were with "...policy of being as transparent as possible and to keep everyone informed..." .

That's a horrible idea, it reads like "How to drive players away!"...

I'm pretty sure that poster was being sarcastic...  

I had realized the DU I loved has been dying for a while, and it has been me holding out hope that it'd come back. Though it's not over yet, and I still have a small bit of hopium that NQ will come to their senses. Myself and my group has largely stopped playing, not due to gameplay changes but from inaction/lack of direction from the developers... and we've played pretty "hardcore" since before 0.23 hit... Several of us are still poking at the DU Discord channels, and likewise chatting daily in org channels... we're all just waiting and slowly loosing hope.

Weird feels for a game that's supposed to release soon. if by release, they meant relieving the game of it's suffering... it'd make more sense.

It kind of seems like everyone who wants a wipe has a list of stuff that other people have too much of, that should be wiped.  And a list of stuff that's important to them, that they should get to keep.
 
That's not a wipe.  That's just begging NQ to take other people's stuff, and let you keep yours.
 

It's not really important what a player thinks is most important to keep (quanta, talent points, schematics, constructs whatever).
The important part is that players have been spending time and money playing the game, with assurances from NQ that their efforts would not be in vain.
 
And the only exception NQ made, was that they had to show us a clear and irrefutable technical reason forcing them to perform any kind of wipe. And even then they assured us that they would do their very best to make sure players would not lose resources in such a wipe.
 
So if players lose any of their resources after a wipe and NQ cannot even be bothered to demonstrate a clear irrefutable reason for wiping, why should players trust NQ to not break any more promises and do the same in the future also?
 
And any argument about re-balancing the game because of exploits is totally irrelevant for a wipe discussion, since there should NEVER be a need to wipe the game for all players just to fix exploits PERIOD.

when the full wipe actually comes. and I put all my gaming time into the game for nothing. and I lose everything because of it. all my subscriptions will be cancelled. and deleted the game from the computer.
for me alone it's 5 subscriptions. and my friends are no different.

I just limped my ships back to home base where I parked them and logged out. That's it, not playing this "game" any more until the collision detection is fixed/removed and wipe situation is made clear.

Just  bringing the potential wipe on the table again is enough to instantly put me on a "pause" mode with DU. it just feels like i invested years of time on the single promise that there is persistence and a wipe would only occur if there is kind of a fatal problem that cannot be resolved otherwise, and even if a wipe would happen all progress and constructs could be taken over to the after wipe time..
so basically that was a lie (looking on all those options being discussed "internally" at NQ.)
- getting rid of schematics ==> do you know how much grind it was just to get there and obtain those schematics?
- the quanta i own was earned honestly. and yes that was another grind to get there, so why take it away? just because NQ did not react when some people took advantage. so let's punish all players instead.. no, does not sound very reasonable. i don't honestly care about the players that have "more". for all players except one, there will always be players that have more, so who really cares (except the new players joining and want to avoid the grind we all had)
- if you wipe  any of my quanta, exp, stuff, (without giving me all back via magic BPs, or the benefit of the grind by removing all schematics i see it as betrayal. will probably not return..
- even putting the long term players on an optional parallel DU is not an option.

what would be OK for me:
- planetary reset (all constructs as magic BP's)
- Ban of players that cheated before
- removing the requirement to own schematics for Tier 1-2 (or even Tier 3) items
- game play changes that do not in-valuate previous "grind"
- removal of all bot orders
- creating a new System with new planets and resources without the possibility to transport big amounts of mass there where different rules may be applied. maybe even having a new 2nd currency there, so you cannot bring your quanta with you.

So yes there are lots of options of adding new gameplay and mechanics even without having to betray all the beta players that spent an insane amount of time in game to get where they are today. But the 2 wipe options you described are not really satisfying in my position.

So please: reconsider
put your heads together again without just serving those people that scream wipe wipe in order to get an unfair advantage by purging a huge amount of time in grind for senior players who believed in past commitments that had been made by NQ.


 

 

I've been a player since the beginning. If you do a full wipe you'll lose me. At this point, you need to decide which path is going to generate more revenue - do you listen to the guy who has been playing your game actively since the inception OR backers who have chosen to not play?
 
I don't care about schematics. If you need to delete all of the industries, that's fine as they can be easily rebuilt.
 
I somewhat don't care about quanta, but I'd like to keep some of it if only so that I am not back at zero. I know that NQ is concerned about trillionaires and their disruptive effects on the economy. Split the difference and pick an arbitrary number - $10 million? - for everyone to receive and then delete the rest from each player's account. Again, I don't want to start at zero.
 
I do care about my constructs. By this point in the game I have lots of complicated constructs with LOTS of different voxels and rare components. Re-manufacturing those items - even if I have the blueprints, will take forever. I know that some players in the past have gamed the system by dumping lots of valuable items on their ships/buildings, only to pull them off and sell them quickly post-wipe, but I see that as inevitable regardless of whether you wipe or not.
 
I do care about my skill points. I was supposed to get a leg up on new players by being an early backer. That was the whole point to being an earlier backer! Take those away and you're signaling that you want me to go through the grind again to get back where I am today. No thanks!
 
 

What about the AM mini game? (UGH!)
Or picking up all the rocks that drop via the mini game? (EWW!)
Or all that pvp during the now slower boating missioning? (ACK!)
 
Imho, we're doing all the waiting and all the UGH! EWW! ACK! for the building and maybe flying some cool aircraft/spacecraft (for a short while). DU is mostly (time) grinding...

The sooner they announce a wipe, the sooner i can totally concentrate on another game with more trustworthy developers. In case they decide not to wipe my accounts are on standby since 2 weeks, only logged in today to check if one of the patch-bugs hit my accounts.
Automatic payment is off, tiles are paid for 3 month - let's see what happens.