Elrood

Eh - I don't really agree with you.  Yes the game needs a lot of things. NQ/JC are aware of it.
 
There is quite a bit of unique tech in this game. You really think you can just log into AWS and setup a server mesh that 'just works'. 
 
What DU does is very unique - there isn't a game like DU today period.
 
I do agree that JC needs to stop looking at how a book about a fictional game did things and starts to look at how games that work today do it. Specifically when it comes to pvp, territory control and mitigation of griefing and handling other uhh 'open world pvp tactics'. I keep saying this over and over - JC really has no idea how hilariously grief prone DU will be with territory control.
 
I am not at all upset about the current state of DU.
 
I AM upset about the lack of communication and clarity about the future mechanics. Hell, explanation of exactly how current pvp mechanics work would be a start. Don't tell me players have figured it out, ask 10 different people and get 10 different answers.

So like if T1 bots where gone today, where would money actually come from? T1 bots (and daily 100K) is the ONLY money source in the entire game. So without T1 bots the total amount of currency in the game would be locked and stationary at current levels. Meaning players would be stuck just trading the same money back and forth (with the expected results of rich getting richer and poor getting poorer etc), and for every new player joining there would be less overall. That is not how economy works, either in games or RL.

Wow we have gone off topic here.... not even I could have gone this far off track GG

I play the game... I have my little patch of real estate and log in daily.

100% possible, go mine, sell ore, buy product, find location product is selling for more, move product, sell for profit.  Easy but sadly without someone pointing it out, it goes whoosh over most people heads and they come in here and say that there is nothing to do but mine.

The mental thing is, this sort of thing happens all the time in games like eve etc, no idea why people think it wont work here

Jesus.... Its simple. You want to play solo? This is not Empyrion solo player game. You dig. And dig. And dig. It is by design and it should be. It is very hard grind and it should be. This is MMO and communities based game. You play solo, you actually signed up for that grind and hardship - you are going against the grind and design of the game. Its a challenge game was not designed to be winnable by players - i bet its just by accident its even possible to a degree we have. Try solo raid in WoW. And be glad its not that level of impossibility. Who the hell think playing MMO solo should be easy?! We are lucky its even kind of do-able. 

END GAME in this game are Orgs and politics. End of story. Everyone who know the game imho agree on that point. You can argue Early and Mid game too - this is where my fellow hermit (I'm a bit of poor hermit as i actually do trade and I am a part of small community to have people to talk to) may differ from some voices here. But hermit alone will never get everything done. At some point all hermits (me including) will either drop the game or join some well organized orgs out of pure boredom. I'm still amazed how much content there is for solo player to get their hands into. If you can stand the grind  
 
You play in big org? Surprise - some people like to or at least tolerate digging. And then you may find a niche where you don't have to dig.

Thats probably because of placing priorities - basic voxelmancy. When you place box next to box of different shape, its vertexes (simplifying to much - corners) are trying to comfort those around it (either new one is trying to do it or everything around new one - depending on placing priorities). Triangular shape has vertex in middle of diagonal - which makes behavior of it hard to predict if you don't understand underlying logic. I'm not that good at it so i won't try to get into more details. You should be able to find more information about it online googling for voxelmancy. Unfortunately that topic tend to be a bit hard to wrap your head around it..  
 
If i remember correctly (i can't check for next several hours at least) - hovers have kind of "easy mode" setting turned on by default - this easy mode is why hovers always work "well" up to some height. Vertical boosters are working based on angles all the time Take it with grain of salt - its only hearsay from my side, I haven't used hovers in long time.

I have multiple accounts. Two are beta'd and those are not attached to monthly fees - but others are post beta and DO have fees.
 
So yes - I am absolutely running alts with the expectation that the money that is being spent sorely for their SP is maintained. 
 
I am also only playing this game today because I expect my time investment in this game to be retained. 

This is only my experience, but while me and my group did have some fun during alpha, we all eventually quit and said we wouldn't play again til there was no more confirmed wipes.  Im in the exact same boat, as in while i have multiple accounts that wont need to pay until release, I have purchased more accounts since then, for the sole reason that I will be able to use their Talent Points.  NQ I think knows this, and they needed money, and they made the choice, and I gave them money on that choice. 

So if i manage to sell you stuff worth 10 h for 1000h is that PvP too? How far are you going to run with this term? 
I'm still waiting for a game which dealt with it. 

WoW? Nope, it can happen. Albion? Nope, it can happen. Lineage? Sure it can happen. Here is said truth - if you ever thought it couldn't happen in MMO game - you were either deceived or ignorant. I don't know any game where guild leader allowed access to guild bank and yet theft could not happen. Even all PvE games I know haven't dealt with it. Please enlighten me which game dealt with it and have any form of guild bank or storage.
 
This is not pvp. This is stealing. There is no fighting involved. You are safe if you are not stupid or too trusting. If we are going to unleash consequences for this, i'm waiting for the moment we start banning "unfair" trades. 

The ONLY reason any game i listed would start dealing with it if this would involve exploits. But that is different story. 

So if i manage to sell you stuff worth 10 h for 1000h is that PvP too? How far are you going to run with this term? 
I'm still waiting for a game which dealt with it. 

Be careful what you wish for - or at least what you think is necessary: a wipe itself isn't a solution - it will just upset lots of players which have put many hours into the development of their base(s).
You may find a solution with which most of us can live with, and I'm quite confident that's the path NQ will aim for...

I agree with much of what you said. I do not agree with you on the wipe... Or that NQ should touch industry. 
 
They are attempting to fix an economy where there are no consumers by reducing producers. 
 
Until elements are destroyed entirely the economy will not work. 
 
 
 

I'd agree that NQ thinking they are going to be at a stage where they are able to call it a "release" in a year's time is somewhat concerning. The issue is they seem to be of the opinion that since this is an MMO it's never really finished anyway so they can just set an arbitrary date and call it a "release". Pretty much like how they figured they could set a timeframe for when they were at "Beta" nearly two years in advance and then decided to actually push out stuff or cut it in order to hit that date even when the game is still very far from what would be considered a beta by industry standard definitions.
 
Your 3-4 year timeframe is a worst case IMO and I'd expect it will be more like 2 years for sure before the "base game" can be considered "done" and all the Kickstart milestones truly achieved. And that would put them at about  a 4 year "delay" for release.
 
I do not really see that as a problem in itself but I do feel the seemingly present sentiment that they can just move the goalposts and pretend it's done is unrealistic.

Can you please describe it with little bit more information? Assembly has bugged out and didn't produce it while consuming material or something else happen? I never notice such bug so i'm quite interested in what i should look out for. 

Well, what he is saying makes very little sense and it seems he really does not know much about this at all as he is clearly guessing. He does not know emotes are in, he even says he is "theorizing" and "heard where it is being used" so he has no actual information.. Hence making it up as he goes along
 
He seems to have "talking points" prepared or given but his responses are really of the mark overall and make little sense.
 
I'd say it's potentially dangerous to let a level design lead guess in public on game mechanics which may have a big impact.

That may be a known issue. Assuming you haven't tried: logout, clear cache. login in, check if its back in container / still pending in metalwork. I had similar cases where stuff didn't properly register because of sync issues. Download clear state from server helped.
If not, do what @GraXXoR say. 

What? You can vote multiple times? That's not like NQ to implement a useful feature and then make it worthless by leaving it open to abuse... ?

Seriously though, they need to get lots of other features sorted first.
 
I really hate how they worded territory pvp item as well.
 
"- Final safe-zone definition" is listed as a line item for it - I hate that. It should be defined already.
 
Asteroid mining is needed because frankly the mole man mechanic is tiresome and is burning people out.
 
Energy managment needs to come before territory pvp.
 
pvp rebalancing should come as part of that
 
Then all the voxel tools and graphics
 
Then avatar pvp AND atmo pvp
 
Then once all that crap is working and balanced, you can turn on territory warfare.
 
PvP needs to be well balanced and thought out before it become a major part of the game and it's going to be a major task - lots of other things can and should be done first.
 

Because NQ still thinks they need to deliberate and come up with solutions before speaking up. they could have declared an exploit weeks ago and then start working on a solution. These things should not take this long.

Correct, but there are some minor issues when the child construct doesn’t have landing gear to “attach itself” to the parent construct.
So far:
-Using the maneuvering tool to place a smaller core into a larger core will not docked it and when you try to take off, the smaller core will damage the bigger core (the rule of immobile objects will always win against mobile ones).
-Landing a smaller core without landing gear on a bigger core to docked it, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t , could be bugged.
-Using landing gear will docked it 100% of the times so far, will update if this starts to fail also.
 
This fix also prevents other “issues” that people where abusing, so they better turn their container cores into proper ships, cause just adding landing gears and using the maneuvering tool don’t work either.

Yeah, lets prepare the waters for Eve warfare motto "i will be fing you up so long that you leave the game" -.-  
Letter of law above spirit of law and so on. I got you. But i disagree with you on most fundamental level. For me its simple. If someone is a dick just to be a dick, that person should be kicked out. If someone is a dick and squirts game mechanics boundaries to f someone up he should be kicked. No society should tolerate such person. Kick him before he kicks other people out of game for no other reason than to have satisfaction of "winning" by any way possible.

Finally. Hopefully nobody will be able to muddy waters again enough to get away without consequences in future ?

If you have a gaming rig to play DU, have time to play DU, and interested enough in DU to play current preprealpha stage - you definitely have 20$. If you have neither of that - you don't play DU. Seems fair to me.