Hachiro

My opinion about the update:
I like the idea, but not exactly how it's done.
 
The main issue I have with this: The Taxes are far too high for people who are more interested in planetary building. The average Tile on Alioth gives you about ~500l/h, so ~84kl/week and most of this is T1
Even with talents it may be 150kl/week (not exactly, but just for demonstration). This is an amount you can currently get in 1h mining. And you have to sell at least ~1/2 to pay the taxes. The amount you'll receive in the end is way less than what you can get now if you are ready to invest some time.
 
If you are someone who likes to fly to other planets and build a base there this may be okay. I've heard about tiles with 300l/h T3 ore and more, so the taxes would not be an issue. But players who like the planetary building on alioth and not space travelling, will be extremely slowed down and I think this will cause more frustration in the playerbase.

My opinion about the update:
I like the idea, but not exactly how it's done.
 
The main issue I have with this: The Taxes are far too high for people who are more interested in planetary building. The average Tile on Alioth gives you about ~500l/h, so ~84kl/week and most of this is T1
Even with talents it may be 150kl/week (not exactly, but just for demonstration). This is an amount you can currently get in 1h mining. And you have to sell at least ~1/2 to pay the taxes. The amount you'll receive in the end is way less than what you can get now if you are ready to invest some time.
 
If you are someone who likes to fly to other planets and build a base there this may be okay. I've heard about tiles with 300l/h T3 ore and more, so the taxes would not be an issue. But players who like the planetary building on alioth and not space travelling, will be extremely slowed down and I think this will cause more frustration in the playerbase.

My opinion about the update:
I like the idea, but not exactly how it's done.
 
The main issue I have with this: The Taxes are far too high for people who are more interested in planetary building. The average Tile on Alioth gives you about ~500l/h, so ~84kl/week and most of this is T1
Even with talents it may be 150kl/week (not exactly, but just for demonstration). This is an amount you can currently get in 1h mining. And you have to sell at least ~1/2 to pay the taxes. The amount you'll receive in the end is way less than what you can get now if you are ready to invest some time.
 
If you are someone who likes to fly to other planets and build a base there this may be okay. I've heard about tiles with 300l/h T3 ore and more, so the taxes would not be an issue. But players who like the planetary building on alioth and not space travelling, will be extremely slowed down and I think this will cause more frustration in the playerbase.

My opinion about the update:
I like the idea, but not exactly how it's done.
 
The main issue I have with this: The Taxes are far too high for people who are more interested in planetary building. The average Tile on Alioth gives you about ~500l/h, so ~84kl/week and most of this is T1
Even with talents it may be 150kl/week (not exactly, but just for demonstration). This is an amount you can currently get in 1h mining. And you have to sell at least ~1/2 to pay the taxes. The amount you'll receive in the end is way less than what you can get now if you are ready to invest some time.
 
If you are someone who likes to fly to other planets and build a base there this may be okay. I've heard about tiles with 300l/h T3 ore and more, so the taxes would not be an issue. But players who like the planetary building on alioth and not space travelling, will be extremely slowed down and I think this will cause more frustration in the playerbase.

My opinion about the update:
I like the idea, but not exactly how it's done.
 
The main issue I have with this: The Taxes are far too high for people who are more interested in planetary building. The average Tile on Alioth gives you about ~500l/h, so ~84kl/week and most of this is T1
Even with talents it may be 150kl/week (not exactly, but just for demonstration). This is an amount you can currently get in 1h mining. And you have to sell at least ~1/2 to pay the taxes. The amount you'll receive in the end is way less than what you can get now if you are ready to invest some time.
 
If you are someone who likes to fly to other planets and build a base there this may be okay. I've heard about tiles with 300l/h T3 ore and more, so the taxes would not be an issue. But players who like the planetary building on alioth and not space travelling, will be extremely slowed down and I think this will cause more frustration in the playerbase.

My opinion about the update:
I like the idea, but not exactly how it's done.
 
The main issue I have with this: The Taxes are far too high for people who are more interested in planetary building. The average Tile on Alioth gives you about ~500l/h, so ~84kl/week and most of this is T1
Even with talents it may be 150kl/week (not exactly, but just for demonstration). This is an amount you can currently get in 1h mining. And you have to sell at least ~1/2 to pay the taxes. The amount you'll receive in the end is way less than what you can get now if you are ready to invest some time.
 
If you are someone who likes to fly to other planets and build a base there this may be okay. I've heard about tiles with 300l/h T3 ore and more, so the taxes would not be an issue. But players who like the planetary building on alioth and not space travelling, will be extremely slowed down and I think this will cause more frustration in the playerbase.

My opinion about the update:
I like the idea, but not exactly how it's done.
 
The main issue I have with this: The Taxes are far too high for people who are more interested in planetary building. The average Tile on Alioth gives you about ~500l/h, so ~84kl/week and most of this is T1
Even with talents it may be 150kl/week (not exactly, but just for demonstration). This is an amount you can currently get in 1h mining. And you have to sell at least ~1/2 to pay the taxes. The amount you'll receive in the end is way less than what you can get now if you are ready to invest some time.
 
If you are someone who likes to fly to other planets and build a base there this may be okay. I've heard about tiles with 300l/h T3 ore and more, so the taxes would not be an issue. But players who like the planetary building on alioth and not space travelling, will be extremely slowed down and I think this will cause more frustration in the playerbase.

My opinion about the update:
I like the idea, but not exactly how it's done.
 
The main issue I have with this: The Taxes are far too high for people who are more interested in planetary building. The average Tile on Alioth gives you about ~500l/h, so ~84kl/week and most of this is T1
Even with talents it may be 150kl/week (not exactly, but just for demonstration). This is an amount you can currently get in 1h mining. And you have to sell at least ~1/2 to pay the taxes. The amount you'll receive in the end is way less than what you can get now if you are ready to invest some time.
 
If you are someone who likes to fly to other planets and build a base there this may be okay. I've heard about tiles with 300l/h T3 ore and more, so the taxes would not be an issue. But players who like the planetary building on alioth and not space travelling, will be extremely slowed down and I think this will cause more frustration in the playerbase.

Well, the problem is not that there are no benefits in building close together.
The current problem is: The game is still not ready for this.
We tried it in "Hyperion City", and the game causes so many issues if you want to build close together.
 
Advantages of a City:
- Feeling:
Its much nicer building close together and see others buildings grow bigger and bigger
- Industry:
Everyone can specialize on some parts and build a perfect optimized industry line. And your Neighbor can specialize on other parts
- Shopping:
In Hyperion, we have a fully automated ore deposit and shopping center that works very nice and is more comfortable and immersive than flying to the markets everytime
- We even experimented with street systems where hovercars can drive with ease (yeah, not absolutely necessary, but adds feeling too)
- Building together on large projects
 
Issues with a City in DU:
- Performance:
The industry city is a nice idea, but the game cannot handle it currently. Just a few cores filled with industry are causing massive FPS drops. Imagine what it is with dozens of buildings. Thats the main issue and thats the reason why the real use of a city is not achievable.
- Overlap-Protection:
DU has an overlap-Protection that does not allow to build too close to others buildings (not even the tileowner can disable this). But the range of this is way too far. So EVERY player with a house in the city has to manually disable this overlap-protection for every core. But this is extremely bugged and there has to be just one inactive player who has not disabled this protection, to make a whole 300x300m area unusable. Several players reached out to NQ because of this. The protection does not need to be removed, but at least give the tileowner the option to disable this protection for his tile. Issue would be solved. But nothing changed so far and this for already more than 1 year.
- Organization Core limits:
The only other way to avoid this overlap-protection is if all the building cores belong to the organization (and the player just gets all the rights for his own buildings). But NQ decided to reduce the max. amount of cores for every org massively (doesnt matter if its a org with 5 Members, or with 500). So this does not work too. Many players reached out to NQ with ideas like "scaling the core limit according to the player amount" / "add some missions to expand the org core limits" and others. But so far nothing changed, and this already for ~ 4 months.

Well, the problem is not that there are no benefits in building close together.
The current problem is: The game is still not ready for this.
We tried it in "Hyperion City", and the game causes so many issues if you want to build close together.
 
Advantages of a City:
- Feeling:
Its much nicer building close together and see others buildings grow bigger and bigger
- Industry:
Everyone can specialize on some parts and build a perfect optimized industry line. And your Neighbor can specialize on other parts
- Shopping:
In Hyperion, we have a fully automated ore deposit and shopping center that works very nice and is more comfortable and immersive than flying to the markets everytime
- We even experimented with street systems where hovercars can drive with ease (yeah, not absolutely necessary, but adds feeling too)
- Building together on large projects
 
Issues with a City in DU:
- Performance:
The industry city is a nice idea, but the game cannot handle it currently. Just a few cores filled with industry are causing massive FPS drops. Imagine what it is with dozens of buildings. Thats the main issue and thats the reason why the real use of a city is not achievable.
- Overlap-Protection:
DU has an overlap-Protection that does not allow to build too close to others buildings (not even the tileowner can disable this). But the range of this is way too far. So EVERY player with a house in the city has to manually disable this overlap-protection for every core. But this is extremely bugged and there has to be just one inactive player who has not disabled this protection, to make a whole 300x300m area unusable. Several players reached out to NQ because of this. The protection does not need to be removed, but at least give the tileowner the option to disable this protection for his tile. Issue would be solved. But nothing changed so far and this for already more than 1 year.
- Organization Core limits:
The only other way to avoid this overlap-protection is if all the building cores belong to the organization (and the player just gets all the rights for his own buildings). But NQ decided to reduce the max. amount of cores for every org massively (doesnt matter if its a org with 5 Members, or with 500). So this does not work too. Many players reached out to NQ with ideas like "scaling the core limit according to the player amount" / "add some missions to expand the org core limits" and others. But so far nothing changed, and this already for ~ 4 months.

Well, the problem is not that there are no benefits in building close together.
The current problem is: The game is still not ready for this.
We tried it in "Hyperion City", and the game causes so many issues if you want to build close together.
 
Advantages of a City:
- Feeling:
Its much nicer building close together and see others buildings grow bigger and bigger
- Industry:
Everyone can specialize on some parts and build a perfect optimized industry line. And your Neighbor can specialize on other parts
- Shopping:
In Hyperion, we have a fully automated ore deposit and shopping center that works very nice and is more comfortable and immersive than flying to the markets everytime
- We even experimented with street systems where hovercars can drive with ease (yeah, not absolutely necessary, but adds feeling too)
- Building together on large projects
 
Issues with a City in DU:
- Performance:
The industry city is a nice idea, but the game cannot handle it currently. Just a few cores filled with industry are causing massive FPS drops. Imagine what it is with dozens of buildings. Thats the main issue and thats the reason why the real use of a city is not achievable.
- Overlap-Protection:
DU has an overlap-Protection that does not allow to build too close to others buildings (not even the tileowner can disable this). But the range of this is way too far. So EVERY player with a house in the city has to manually disable this overlap-protection for every core. But this is extremely bugged and there has to be just one inactive player who has not disabled this protection, to make a whole 300x300m area unusable. Several players reached out to NQ because of this. The protection does not need to be removed, but at least give the tileowner the option to disable this protection for his tile. Issue would be solved. But nothing changed so far and this for already more than 1 year.
- Organization Core limits:
The only other way to avoid this overlap-protection is if all the building cores belong to the organization (and the player just gets all the rights for his own buildings). But NQ decided to reduce the max. amount of cores for every org massively (doesnt matter if its a org with 5 Members, or with 500). So this does not work too. Many players reached out to NQ with ideas like "scaling the core limit according to the player amount" / "add some missions to expand the org core limits" and others. But so far nothing changed, and this already for ~ 4 months.

I just want you to know, that the "Legion" isn't something completely new.
 
At the beginning there was the AC (Ascendancy) and some other orgs and alliances that stood against the AC.
Most of the counterparts to the AC vanished with the time, so the AC became the most dominant alliance in the game.
At the end some members and organizations in the AC were uncomfortable with the "government" of the alliance, especially because several of the major orgs became nearly completely inactive. As a result, they founded the "Legion".
 
So in fact the Legion is just something like the more active part of the former AC with just a few new members. It's nothing new.
 
But to be honest, even as a player of one of the Legion orgs I'm not completely happy with the monopolism that established. But thats a general issue of the game and its players, not just of the Legion itself. Several other active PvP-Factions that could've been a real threat to the Legion became more and more inactive, split up or moved to other games. But this game is dynamic. Sure, the playerbase got much smaller in the last months. But there are still more than enough active players who could stand up against the Legion. It's a matter of organisation and effort.
 
If everyone stays in his small 10-man organization, its clear that they don't have a chance to fight Legion. But in fact, most of them would even struggle against a single org of the Legion. If you want to play PvP in DU very active, you have to organize yourself in bigger groups. But yes, NQ could do something about this, so that even smaller groups could be more annoying to large alliances. If there would be some ways for smaller orgs to still get the needed ressources and rise up faster, or something like "hit and run" - so you can attack single ships of large orgs and withdraw fast enough before reinforcements appear - this would give the PvP in the game much more depth (like the pirates or rebels in most sci-fi movies). But currently nearly all this features that would make PvP more balanced are missing.

I just want you to know, that the "Legion" isn't something completely new.
 
At the beginning there was the AC (Ascendancy) and some other orgs and alliances that stood against the AC.
Most of the counterparts to the AC vanished with the time, so the AC became the most dominant alliance in the game.
At the end some members and organizations in the AC were uncomfortable with the "government" of the alliance, especially because several of the major orgs became nearly completely inactive. As a result, they founded the "Legion".
 
So in fact the Legion is just something like the more active part of the former AC with just a few new members. It's nothing new.
 
But to be honest, even as a player of one of the Legion orgs I'm not completely happy with the monopolism that established. But thats a general issue of the game and its players, not just of the Legion itself. Several other active PvP-Factions that could've been a real threat to the Legion became more and more inactive, split up or moved to other games. But this game is dynamic. Sure, the playerbase got much smaller in the last months. But there are still more than enough active players who could stand up against the Legion. It's a matter of organisation and effort.
 
If everyone stays in his small 10-man organization, its clear that they don't have a chance to fight Legion. But in fact, most of them would even struggle against a single org of the Legion. If you want to play PvP in DU very active, you have to organize yourself in bigger groups. But yes, NQ could do something about this, so that even smaller groups could be more annoying to large alliances. If there would be some ways for smaller orgs to still get the needed ressources and rise up faster, or something like "hit and run" - so you can attack single ships of large orgs and withdraw fast enough before reinforcements appear - this would give the PvP in the game much more depth (like the pirates or rebels in most sci-fi movies). But currently nearly all this features that would make PvP more balanced are missing.

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NQ maybe should not intervene in a single issue like removing some core.
But
they should finally solve the major issue after half a year
they could:
 
disable overlap protection completely for cores on the planet surface (for space core this feature is still useful)  
reduce the size for the overlap protection zone to the actual size of the build zone  
allow the tileowner to ignore the overlap protection  
allow the tileowner to remove cores from his territory (so they are compacted into the core owners inventory)  
add a RDMS policy for TCU that disables the overlap protection  

JUST ONE of this workarounds would solve the issue for most players/ orgs.
They just have to pick the one thats the easiest to do.
But since 6 months we are talking to a wall.
 
2/3 of our city territory is still unusable for already 6 months because of this.

NQ maybe should not intervene in a single issue like removing some core.
But
they should finally solve the major issue after half a year
they could:
 
disable overlap protection completely for cores on the planet surface (for space core this feature is still useful)  
reduce the size for the overlap protection zone to the actual size of the build zone  
allow the tileowner to ignore the overlap protection  
allow the tileowner to remove cores from his territory (so they are compacted into the core owners inventory)  
add a RDMS policy for TCU that disables the overlap protection  

JUST ONE of this workarounds would solve the issue for most players/ orgs.
They just have to pick the one thats the easiest to do.
But since 6 months we are talking to a wall.
 
2/3 of our city territory is still unusable for already 6 months because of this.

NQ maybe should not intervene in a single issue like removing some core.
But
they should finally solve the major issue after half a year
they could:
 
disable overlap protection completely for cores on the planet surface (for space core this feature is still useful)  
reduce the size for the overlap protection zone to the actual size of the build zone  
allow the tileowner to ignore the overlap protection  
allow the tileowner to remove cores from his territory (so they are compacted into the core owners inventory)  
add a RDMS policy for TCU that disables the overlap protection  

JUST ONE of this workarounds would solve the issue for most players/ orgs.
They just have to pick the one thats the easiest to do.
But since 6 months we are talking to a wall.
 
2/3 of our city territory is still unusable for already 6 months because of this.

I've sent the list of possible solutions/ workarounds to NQ ~3 months ago. Still no reaction...

I mean every single one of this solutions would solve the issue more or less so we can handle it. They just have to pick the easiest one.
 

Yeah, I mean a L-core with an actual building area of 128x128m can even block other cores more than 300m away.
Even if you are the tileowner you can't do anything if just one inactive player of the org placed his core there months ago.

Even if you are the tileowner...
... you cannot remove the core of an inactive player
... you cannot deactivate the overlap protection
... even you as the owner are fucked up by the overlap protection
 
The only "workaround" (to completely deactivate the overlap protection for every single core) is ab buggy mess. And EVERY player with a core there has to be active to set the policy, or this does not work at all. And even if he sets the policy correctly in about 10-20% it still does not work. And even if it works more or less, you are still blocked quite often because it needs sometimes up to 30min to load all the policies from the cores that are "nearby" (in a 350m radius).
And if the only way to work with this, is to completely disable the overlap protection - this feature has no use at all (in space yes, but not on ground).
 
 
Just 4 M-cores of inactive players are blocking nearly 2/3 of our current city area (3 Tiles) for already 6 months!

The big issue is:
 
NQ stated to NOT exploit bugs to get an unfair advantage to the others who play within the rules.
Or it will have consequences.
 
We all know it still happened here and there. NQ cannot overwatch everything. Okay.
 
But now a whole organization abused a bug in more than 300 (!) cases to steal other players ships.
They did not do it here and there, they massively focused exactly on the bug abuse. Exactly on the thing NQ prohibited.
They even allowed it in their org rules.
And most of the cases were well documented. Every day NQ got a buch of reports from the victims about this.
 
And yet there are no consequences.
 
 
The problem is:
Why should players now follow the rules?
When they know it won't have any consequences to break the rules and use exploits wherever you can?
If even a case that is so extreme and so precisely documented had no consequences?


If you use ingame features to play like a pirate/ mercenary org - okay. Thats your playstyle. If the other orgs don't like it, its in their responsibility to do sth. about.
But a massive bug abuse like this is clearly NQs scope.

The big issue is:
 
NQ stated to NOT exploit bugs to get an unfair advantage to the others who play within the rules.
Or it will have consequences.
 
We all know it still happened here and there. NQ cannot overwatch everything. Okay.
 
But now a whole organization abused a bug in more than 300 (!) cases to steal other players ships.
They did not do it here and there, they massively focused exactly on the bug abuse. Exactly on the thing NQ prohibited.
They even allowed it in their org rules.
And most of the cases were well documented. Every day NQ got a buch of reports from the victims about this.
 
And yet there are no consequences.
 
 
The problem is:
Why should players now follow the rules?
When they know it won't have any consequences to break the rules and use exploits wherever you can?
If even a case that is so extreme and so precisely documented had no consequences?


If you use ingame features to play like a pirate/ mercenary org - okay. Thats your playstyle. If the other orgs don't like it, its in their responsibility to do sth. about.
But a massive bug abuse like this is clearly NQs scope.