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  1. This will be a proposed solution to a problem that NovaQuark has thus far decided not to create: losing money (that is, in-game currency: Quanta) upon death of a player. Let's dive into it. The Problem If my sources are correct, NovaQuark has stated before that such items as DACs, Blueprints, Territory Control Units, Resurrection Nodes, and Quanta will not be lost upon death. Most of these items I have listed are justifiably non-lose-able; they are highly rare and valuable or, in some cases, unique items that would dramatically affect the total universal supply of these items. However, that last one, Quanta, seems not to belong on that list. Quanta will be as common as dirt, and the entire economy of DU will circulate around it. It is not rare, and it useful purely as a medium of exchange. So it seems to me that, like any other item, at least some percentage of Quanta should be lost by a player if he/she dies/is killed. A further incentive to encourage safe civilization building practices, of course. And a mechanic to facilitate looting of money, which is really the end goal of most looters. After all, in real life, should you be killed or rendered unconscious, any cash you may be carrying is easy pickings. However, you might say, if a player dies of non-PVP causes, doesn't that create a currency sink? If a player were particularly deep-pocketed, it could even have a significant impact on the universal economy. Surely, this is a problem that we are better off avoiding? The Attempt at a Solution Allow me the privilege of tickling your economic fancies. We all know, of course, that NQ plans on implementing market bots/non-player-buy-orders initially, in order to inject some currency into the infant economy of the early game. Now let's take that a step further. A player dies, drops random x% of Quanta. First, to facilitate looting, most of his inventory (including that Quanta) will have dropped. In most looting cases, looters will immediately snatch up these items and continue along their merry ways. If it is a non-PVP death (ex. taking too high of a fall, crashing a spaceship), presumably those items will just disappear after x amount of time. But wait! We can't just have Quanta dropping through a wormhole into another (triple?) universe. Oh the humanity economy! So here is what I propose: instead of vanishing like those other inventory contents, Quanta will be whisked away into one of those nifty market bots that will be present at the beginning of the game to inject currency. These bots will purchase items from sellers on the universal market, thus recirculating the money back into the economy. Extension Of course, this all hinges on NQ's willingness to spend development time on this feature, and how to manage the balance between immersion and practicality (there are no market bots in the real world, but there are institutions installed to regulate the economy). This competes against the benefits of such a feature to the game: reality (it makes sense that you should lose money upon a death, even if temporary), the ability to loot money (for all the pirates and scavengers and outlaws), and indeed, the possibility of banking (who would bank money that is perfectly safe in a wallet, save for interest on deposits?) Therefore, discuss.
  2. To have a somewhat imersive experience in Dual Universe we definitely need to see cities. But why exactly would people create cities in DU if just use a vast amount of resources without any real benefit except for showing off? Normally city planning depends on a lot of different factors, like the environment, available resources, especially food, the condition of the ground, expected industries etc. Those are mostly things that wont work in DU. On the other hand, building cities in DU has quite a lot of disadvantages, like being target for raiders, warmongers or just griefplayers. So without any real benefit or need to create cities we will at most have very few large organization building and maintaining a city as HQ and maybe one or two trading hubs. Mostly we'll see well hidden factories and bases which are statistically placed across the planets with nearly no clustering. There are two possible ways to facilitate cities. One is giving artificial benefits like production bonus or similar things, i wont advocate that as it is unrealistic and just shows a lack of creativity in the game design. The second way is giving realistic incentives. The only incentives that work on larger scales in a mmorpg are economic or security benefits or needs. Social or educational facilities can be mostly ignored (there could be University-Type elements that increase the speed of accumulating xp for the first 20% or something of the skilltree, with which organizations can cater to new players, but that wont be a real incentive for creating a city). In my mind there are three mechanics which would directly create the need for clustering buildings on a small area: 1. Powergrid The first suggestion is, that all functional elements (Doors, electronics etc.) require electricity. Standard, small sized elements would need a marginal amount of power so, that a small generator that can easily be installed in every ship/building is sufficient to support them. More advanced facilities like factories, Elements with strong supporting effects (something like the University for example, or greenhouses), military elements (planetary turrets, shields, sensor units ...) however should have an exponential increase of the power required. Factory units for example should require enough power, that no stacking of small generators can support them. To support those power hungry elements players can build power plant elements which are extremely large on scale, like 64³m³. They would support buildings within a certain radius with a set amount of power and to increase that radius you could create power-relay stations. What does this do for city building? If players want to run a factory or other facilities they need to create a power plant. If a single power plant generates enough electricity to support several factories, then the economic way of action would be creating enough factories within the vicinity of a power plant to effectively use the generated power. A large cluster of factories in turn needs military protection as it is a nice target for raiders, thus we have some kind of city growth. At the same time owners of those power plants could rent space in the effective radius for players which can afford to create a factory, but not the required power plant. This can be extended to every kind of large scale element which would be nice to have in a city, for example if we want a space port in the city. The simplest way would be to just create some flat areas for ships to land on. But what about quality of life services like refuelling or rearing constructs? Those actions can take ages. If we had large scale elements like a repair Dock, which repairs damaged ships in the vicinity if activated or refuelling stations, those can save a lot of time to players. Elements like that would also require a lot of power, thus the need for a power plant in the vicinity. In short, if every advanced element has a big size and a large power requirement, coupled with the need of power plants, we would by default see clusters of buildings which can be called cities. 2. Resources We can see in some videos how the ground is removed with a tool, its fast, efficient and effortless. if we can mine resources in this way, then DU players will be like a big locust swarm, run across the surface of a planet, scanning and within hours mining all interesting resources. But a big influence on city-building is the need to create a permanent structure in specific places, thus mining resources should definitely not be near-instant. Optimally mining out a big underground ore vein should take years if done by hand or several months when done with elements for mining. If we have long term mining then locations get a certain economic and strategic importance. If an organization finds a large vein of a rare metal it can't just mine it and go away, it has to defend this place against other players. Thus they need to create defensive structures, which again need power plants. If you have defensive structures and power plants on a mining base and some power surplus due to it then its economic to just continue and create the needed refinery elements etc. too, which in turn leads to clusters of buildings again. 3. Dependencies Similar as all functional elements require electricity there can be other dependencies which make it necessary to create several constructs at the same place. In the new content update we learn about market Bots, where resources can be sold for quanta and elements can be bought (probably very limited after crafting is implemented, but maybe some of the most basic elements can still be bought). Those Quanta and elements aren't created from void and the sold resources can't spontaneously vanish. So if someone wants to place market bots in his base, it would make sense to require a trading hub element in the vicinity. There are quite some heavy industries which are dependent on water as coolant, so some refinery elements could actually need water purification plants in the area, the same plants could be used to support greenhouses or other buildings with water. If several buildings depend on each other there is a huge potential to incline people to gather together and create cities. Especially as everyone has a limited amount of cores available. ######## I really think that those three points are absolutely necessary for a good experience in DU and will lead to some pretty interesting results.
  3. Antimatter

    Antimatter As some in the past have dabbled in antimatter, I thought I would go over its possible uses in the game. Though to function in the game we would need a particle collider, vacuum and a magnetic storage chamber. I do not know the math to calculate the energy output or its capabilities. (Because I’m not in university). Introducing antimatter into Dual Universe will supply the game with new fuels, energy sources, diversified economy, and advanced weaponry. New fuels and energy would benefit DU as only large organizations, or medium-small specialized organizations would be capable of producing sufficient supplies of antimatter. This will allow small organizations to have a relatively big economy, and would pressure other organizations to ally with the smaller organisations. Antimatter could be used as a propellent in rockets and spacecraft alike, with NASA stating that “10 milligrams of positrons are needed for a human Mars mission.” The money and resources to develop and store the antimatter is significant more than the average rocket; that is because we have not yet developed technology to generate, store, and use antimatter efficiently. To develop sufficient supplies, there needs to be large planet, or satellite based particle colliders in the DU universe; there could also be the introduction of small particle colliders, for large flag/capital ships. It would also be highly impractical to have small fighters running on antimatter, unless their purpose was to ram into larger ships. Other than the collider, you would just need a very small amount of hydrogen to fly for a long period of time. Producing energy from antimatter would only be possible if there was more energy being produced then wasted accelerating the hydrogen. Antimatter could work as a way for alliances, and uprisings to happen. It is obvious that large organizations would be able to produce absurd amounts of antimatter. But it's the fact that small organizations could be able to specialize in antimatter; this could increase the possibility of mid sized organizations allying with small organizations creating an alliance that can displace larger organizations. Though there still is the fact that the largest organizations will always have an upper hand because of their sheer numbers. My favorite possibility are the possible weapons that could be made. Antimatter annihilation is not enough, I am talking about generating black holes. Apparently if particle collisions go wrong there is a possibility of a black hole being generated. As Kurzgesagt touched on, if a black hole with an incredibly small mass appeared a “decently big explosion would occur.” Inside DU a small generated black hole explosion would do practically nothing, but if maybe there was a way to accelerate denser elements than hydrogen, or large chunks of elements, could create a supermassive black hole explosion destroying entire fleets. (Though this could be a problem if people started reenacting Alderaan) The development of these weapons could be made illegal among alliances, and organizations, giving any organization in possession of these weapons, sanctions, or terrorist status. In DU, antimatter could act as a way to spice up gameplay abit. (☭ ͜ʖ ☭)
  4. The Worth of DACs

    Everyone has been saying that DACs can be turned into Quanta, so by chance does anyone know how many DACs equals 1 Quanta
  5. Data-Driven Merchant AI

    Hi DU Community, I can envision the possibility of large corporations investing in the development of merchant AI (bots) using LUA scripting to interface with the various trade markets, perform analysis and make real-time automated buy/sell decisions based on a set of pre-defined objectives (minimize risk, maximize ROI, etc..) have we received any insight into what type of database architecture will be supporting the DU economy, is it going to be possible via API's or in-game interfaces for players to perform analysis and make informed data-driven decisions or will this type of thing be more of an external metagame? It would be ideal if players could download (in-game) trade/market data from the station/hub they are in to their ships computer which will be a repository for all the analytics described above - this could open the possibility of trading in data/information, for example the more stations you visit (and the more frequently you visit them) the more up-to-date your data assets will be etc.. in-game systems could emerge to enable (data storage, computing power, analysis, data protection, hacking, long-range data relay) other forms of data may include: obviously blueprints scripts/AI (running on-board) trade data (what you've purchased/sold) cargo manifests (historical record) station logs (where you've docked) comms logs (who you've communicated with) Any of this in the works?
  6. My question is as follows; How in the Dual Universe world, will Quanta(Currency) be continuously inserted in order to simulate a real working economy? It's been mentioned by the developers that they hope to remove all NPC trade (Which I think is great) but I don't understand how it's possible to do that when an economy needs a regulated injection of cash currency in order to regulate inflation. The basics of economics dictate that as more money enters a economy, the less value the currency retains (The very basic definition). In modern day, banks usually regulate currency injection on behalf of government treasuries, so who will do it in Dual Universe? The reason I ask is because without currency injection at a regulated pace, there can only be a certain amount of total money after the NPC's are removed. For example if they remove the NPC's and it's been six months, and all the players in the world have traded 20 billion Quanta worth of goods, then there can only ever be 20 billion Quanta in the world. Obviously this is a problem because it will make prices rise ridiculously high, especially if they money is spread thin between players.
  7. Welcome to Perdere! Who are we? We are a small organization built for mining and control over the economy. What is your plan. Perdere is planned to be one of the largest trading and mining empires in Dual Universe. Although we need YOUR help to get there. We have a discord where we will be planning more in-depth ideas and would love feedback from our members. Everyone is included! Although we don't have a detailed plan yet we will focus on harvesting, mining and scavaging to get our base resources in the game. Weekly raids are also an idea that has been thrown around. If we find a weak and vulnerable enemy, we will attack as we are not a complete PvE organization. What sets you apart? We are fully dedicated to our project. We have our own discord server which will be the hub for all trading that takes place in the game. We are currently working on a discord bot that will have its own currency that users can earn by being active in Discord. This functions as a way we can reward our active members with in-game goodies when the game comes out and also determine the hierarchy of management. AKA The more active you are, the more likely you are to be placed at a higher level of management and earn more. Exchange? How does that work? Well, we will be setting up a way for users to contact each other. It will be a fully P2P system, a user will post a request to buy or sell currency when two users match on a price the bot will automatically send both users a PM saying that a match has been found for their request to trade. Setting up a way for users to trade to a more, out of game 'currency' while not having to directly trade in game (sending the bots currency to one another as a form of value). Like any currency the value of it will go up and down, so choose wisely to invest or divest! Sounds great, how do I join? You can join our organization by making a request here https://community.dualthegame.com/organization/perdere-mining or by joining our discord here https://discord.me/perdere (Note you will still have to join the organization here as well) If you have any questions or comments feel free to leave them below!
  8. Refineries

    So we know that we'll mine resources of various kinds... and build things... and some of those things will be ships which need fuel. Will the materials be ores that need to be refined at some sort of refinery to be made into the finished fine materials used for building... or into the fuel or fuels used by various ships engines? I think it'd add another layer to the economy if miners sold to refineries ... and refineries had to be large constructs... with storage for their product which could then be sold to builders and explorers and shippers. Also has any thought been given to power generation to power lights... or the hypothetical refinery?
  9. Hello Guys, please excuse my poor english, but i will try it to explain. Do not implement an universe wide currency made by the administration. Give each organisation the possibilety to create a own crypto currency. but make it expensiv to launch. let them choose the parameters of the crypto currency, how many units should be exist in which time and how much energy take the production... now create a universe wide online market where you can exchange every currency instant. the material trade market owners can now choose which currency they accept. at least there will be just a few stabil currency with huge organisations in the background. If you implement this idea there will be more room for politics and economy dependencies. In german: Implementiert nicht eine unviersumsweite Währung welche von der Administration eingeführt wurde. Gebt jeder organisation die möglichkeit eine eigene Crypto Währung zu erschaffen. Diese zu starten soll aber kostspielig sein. Lasst sie alle möglichen parameter dieser cryptowährung aussuchen, wie viele geldeinheiten sollen existieren und in welcher zeit anwachen und und und aber lasst die production der währung geld kosten. Nun brauchen wir einen unversumsweiten online markt wo man die cryptowährungen in echtzeit tauschen kann und angebote abgeben kann. Die Besitzer der Rohstoffmärkte sollen die Währung auswählen können, die sie am markt akzeptieren. am ende bleiben nur ein paar stabile währungen übrig mit mächtigen organisationen im hintergrund. Dies würde politik und ökonomie weiter intensivieren.
  10. Okay, so this idea hit me the other day and it is not fully fleshed out, but I think it is a good start of something. First, here are a few assumptions: There is a finite amount of each material to be mined in a given system. Systems will be depleted over time. When a ship is destroyed or a person is killed some material is "lost" forever, while some can be salvaged/reclaimed. The economy needs some sinks and faucets in order to prevent excessive inflation or deflation over time. Now, my idea to address some of this. Basically, when ships are destroyed or people are killed and some of the material is "lost" the amount can get added to a system-wide tally. Material sold to the Market Bots that JC mentioned would also get added to this tally. The game could then pull from this tally to generate material asteroids in deserted parts of the system which could be scanned down and mined, thus restoring the resources to circulation and conserving the mass. These materials could then be used or sold to market bots again, bringing currency into the game. In addition to preserving mass and providing a currency faucet, this would provide some basic "PvE" content and help prevent systems from becoming depleted. To provide a currency sink to counter the currency faucet: the market bots could also sell the materials directly from the tally but for a fairly high price relative to what they buy it for.
  11. Galactic cartography

    Hey everyone! Before I begin, wanted to express my apologies if this is mentioned. I did attempt to sift through the idea box. I think it would be great if the sensor info about the surrounding star systems and other astrological bodies that we would see in our personal navigation (ship, tool, HUD, console, whatever the case will be) Were to be all unknown. This would allow people to trade star maps, allow for secret routes, (think star wars, the hyperspace routes) one could make a rather interesting and profitable living exploring various ftl routes, andd it would make it feel more real. This is obviously a rather rough draft if the idea, but I feel the fundamentals are there for someone to expand on it if so inclined ^^
  12. Stargate Fees

    As I currently understand it, Stargates will be usable based on having the proper permissions or something along the lines of a key. The Stargate owner can collect fees when people use the gate. This is a nice system; it's simple, but I think it can be easily expanded. I think a system that can be based on the mass of the ship will allow for more emergent gameplay around stargates. People could of course choose to just have a flat rate, if that is what they prefer. I propose three additions: The ability to charge a fee for using the stargate based on the mass of the ship. The ability to set different tiers of mass that have different tax rates. The ability to crate different "keys" or permission levels that have different tax settings. I will now go into more detail why I think this is good system and why it should be very easy to implement. First, taxes based on mass: why? Well, it's more fair. Why should someone who is flying a tiny shuttle pay the same fees as a space trucker who is hauling millions of kilograms of goods? How do you balance the two if you can only charge a flat tax? A mass tax helps solve that. If you charge one Quanta per 10 kilos and the shuttle is 1000kg, then that person pays 100 Quanta whereas the massive freighter of, say, 10,000,000kg pays a million Quanta. The freighter can easily afford a larger sum because it will make money off of the cargo it is carrying and it is just a cost of doing business. The pilot of the smaller ship will be happy because their fees will be low, since they don't have to pay some middle ground, one size fits all rate. The stargate owner is happy because it let's them collect more taxes overall while still remaining competitive. How difficult would this be to implement? It shouldn't be too hard based on what we know. NQ have indicated that ship and cargo mass will be taken into consideration by the physics engine, so they data already exists and all that has to be done is some basic multiplication. The plus side of this is that since cargo is also already accounted for, an empty cargo ship pays less fees than one that is fully loaded Mass tiers, this is where it really starts to get interesting. Users should be able to set "tiers" of mass that have different rates between them. For example, perhaps the rate for ships between 0kg - 10,000kg is 0.1 Quanta per kg, 10,001kg - 50,000kg is 0.5 Quanta per kg, and 50,001kg and up is 1 Quanta per kg. In this way, the large ships get the more they have to pay. Consider three ships: Ship 1 is 5,000kg and pays 500 Quanta. Ship 2 is 30,000kg and pays 15,000 Quanta. Ship 3 is 120,000kg and pays 120,000 Quanta. Why would you want to do this? To dissuade larger ships either for market reasons or military reasons. Or perhaps there is the theory that the bigger the ship, the more money the owner has to burn. That's up to the gate owner, but the true power of the mass tiers comes out with the third point. Different keys. The tax settings should be tied to each key and not to the gate itself, allowing for different keys with different settings for different people. There are many reasons that people travel and this would allow the fee system to be better suited for each person. I will give an example. Perhaps someone is coming to tour an empire, or apply for a job or whatever, and they need to get around but don't want to spend a ton on fees. Naturally, the people who live in the region don't want somebody who may not be fully trusted dumping a ton of goods on the market to compete with local businesses or bringing in a large battleship and causing trouble, so the tourist is given a key designed to meet these needs. The key could be set so each use under 2,000kg is only 20 Quanta but over 2,000kg it's 20 Quanta per kg. So if that tourist tries to bring in a 20,000kg freighter they are going to be smacked with a 400,000 Quanta fee. More taxes for the gate owner and it strongly discourages that tourist from bringing in larger ships or a lot of cargo. It's emergent and not set in stone. You could also raise the price even further to really discourage large ships. Maybe over 10,000kg it's 500 Quanta per kg! That's 10,000,000 Quanta for that same 20,000kg freighter! Good luck turning a profit on that. So long as that tourist follows the guidelines of their key, they can avoid paying much in fees, but if they try to do stuff that they are not supposed to they will pay the price, literally.
  13. Industrial Areas

    Hello! I'd like to discuss what you envisage our industrial areas would look like. That question does imply there will be industrial areas, which is only natural when the primary occupation and game element at the start is gathering resources and build things. An industrial area simply is a natural phenomena when big projects are set up. The bigger the project, the more logistics, more storage, more mineral processing. All in all, Novaquark can -say- large scale industrialisation isn't going to be part of the game... but ya'll know better. When the chance is there for mass production, the chance will be taken. So without any further a do, lets discuss. With the current game mechanics and game mechanics planned ahead, how do you envisage an industrial area will look like?
  14. Link: BLADESIN MERCENARY CORPORATION A Mercenary Corporation with one purpose: the Art of War. We exist simply to facilitate an honorable way to do battle on all fronts. We always abide by three values: Duty -To our comrades -To ourselves -To War Honor -If it makes you question your value, don’t do it -If others question their path, inspire them -Make others proud to have met you Dedication -Take the time to do the job well -Put it all on the line -Be proud of the profession Introduction video We are mercenaries but we do not destroy without cause, we work for the ones who we deem worthy, and the payment is always fair. If we find someone worthy of the honor we will invite them to join, no matter from where they originate. The duty of any member is to train, learn and experience all they can about war, to further develop the Art of Bladesin through it. This will always be done with honor and respect, and with complete dedication to the Art of War. Currently working on: -Creating a 24/7 active organisation, -Bladesin Corps need leaders: 5 Grand Masters (1 from each continent), As well as Directors for the divisions of Logistics, Mining and Trade -At least 4 regular members from each continent. New associates: DICE We will also be joining the Alioth Aerospace Expo! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BMC Guidelines: - A Bladesinner should at all times develop oneself and aim to become more powerful, but at the same time view the Corps as oneself, and aim to develop it the same way one develop oneself. If doubts arise as to how this is accomplished, seek guidance in the higher ranks. - If you dedicate yourself to War, you dedicate yourself to the Bladesin Corps. - Unless the Corps is officially taking a job that entails it, a Bladesinner should stay out of the business of Good vs Evil and Right or Wrong, though the Bladesinner's own nature should not be denied or suppressed. Instead a Bladesinner should be true to their personality, using their own personal dispositions to make themselves more powerful. - We demand respect from you. Disrespect and arrogance can gravely hurt you and your allies. --------------------------------- Rules --------------------------------- 1. you may never do anything to damage the reputation of the Bladesin Corps or any of its members. This includes acting in a way that reflects badly on BMC, like bullying, piracy, and other actions that does not follow our guidelines and lead words. Rulebreakers will be Exiled. 2. A Bladesinner may never, ever kill or seriously hurt another Bladesinner, either directly or indirectly, The only time this is ignored is during Training sessions. Breaking this rule results in being Exiled. 3. The Corps position on good and evil is neutral, members who are good or evil are accepted either way, but Honour, Duty and Dedication is always top priorities, if we have a rampager that think it is fun to wipe out entire cities to take out one target and in the process kills millions of non combatant civilians that in no way have anything to do with the battle at hand, he breaks this Rule of Alignment, sure be evil, but with Honor, Duty and Dedication. And on the other hand, if we have a hero type player that because of him being good choose to take a path that endangers the success of his or hers mission, he or she has also broken the Rule of Alignment. The rulebreakers are Exiled. (If you see anyone breaking any of these rules, screenshot everything and send to leadership so we can handle it. If it includes destruction of property, you will be compensated.) SALARY FOR BMC MEMBERS: The first few months BMC will keep a majority of the revenue to build up the org. Thats why 40% of the revenue is divided between the BMC members that carried out the mission. When we get to the point where we have gotten off the ground and start doing bigger jobs, we will divide a larger part to the BMC members who carried out the mission, specifics will come when we know how much. If any members want to use BMC resources and personnel to build something and sell, 25% of the revenue will go to BMC for using its resources to create and distribute it. A specific contract will be drawn up for such occasions. Ranks system Troop Ranks (all ranks except Stepper will include more privileges, as well as responsibilities): ----------------- Stepper: Entry rank, pass application --------- Weapons Apprentice: Went through Basic Training, is now Equipped with BMC standard gear. Survived 3 missions that were completed --------- Bladesin Warrior: Went through Advanced training Completed at least 20 missions, 5 of those must be Solo Missions Bladesin Creator: Went through Basic Training, is now equipped with BMC standard gear. Went through Basic Utilities Training for Specialisation (chosen division) ----------- Officer ranks (these ranks are based on recommendation from Commaning Officers and must be given by a Grandmaster or Director): ---------- Guardian: Squad leader for Infantry Troops Hunter: Squad leader for Navy Sinner: Team Leader for Utilities Team ----- Master Guardian: Tactical leader and coordinator for several Squads, plans mission execution Master Hunter: Tactical leader and coordinator for several Squads, plans mission execution Master Sinner: Coordinates several Utilities Teams to streamline and raise efficiency for projects ----- Bladesin Masters: Commands a geographical section of BMC, all projects and missions, in a solar system for example There are always two Masters for every section, one Utilities and one Military (Will be implemented when relevant) ----- Leadership ranks (all except Founder is equal and works as a council): ----- Grandmaster: Commands the combined armed forces of the BMC with the other Grandmasters BMC Aims to have at least 5 GMs at all times Director of Crafting and Science: Oversees, plans and ensures high quality execution of all construction and research projects within BMC Director of Mining: Controller of all mining operations owned and done by BMC Director of Communications: Is in charge of all marketing, diplomacy and recruitment within BMC Director of Trade: Is in charge of buying all necessary resources for BMC and selling all of the unnecessary ones and commercial constructs and such Director of Logistics: In charge of making sure all resources equipment and ships are where they are needed, for constructions, repairs, missions and so forth Founder: The big Boss, Jack Blade, in charge of overall strategies, corporation wide changes, executive orders, Leadership oversight, and have final say in all matters concerning BMC
  15. Organization Buy/Sell offers

    Give legates the power to place buy/sell offers on behalf of an orgization, where sale money and purchase money is taken from the organization's money stores. This way trusted sellers may include a organization as a whole.
  16. Mission-centered Economy

    Now this is a "What if?" situation since I'm not exactly sure how the economy system would fully work so here goes. So, Part 1. What if the way to earn money is to trade resources in for credits using game generated missions. For example: get XXXX amount of wood for XXXX credits. Have it for renewable resources so we don't just feed the game resources that don't regenerate . Part 2. Give the organizations the ability to create a Mission Board (of some kind), And allow them to set taxes for it (with some limit of course). Say organization A has 10% tax on the credit rewards from it's Mission board. so people can generate money for their organization. And allow the organization to set taxes for it's members and non-members separately. Part 3. Give members of the organization the ability to post their own missions for credit rewards on the mission board. And give the organization the ability to tax the rewards for that as well. The tax is optional of course depending on the organization. Part 4. Allow the organization itself to post missions for credit rewards with the funds being deducted from it's "Guild Bank". Part 5. Have all the mission boards from a certain organization linked together and give the option for the user/organization created missions for them to be local to the board or publicly shared on the organization's mission board network. Part 6. Now this is optional, add a global mission browser for all players to see the missions list and locations of the boards to take the missions from. Part 7. The physical reward part is simple. People who post missions can claim their mission from the board they posted the mission from, the board can have an inventory for each player to house the "asked for" in the mission which they can "Loot" and the organization can have a bigger one (for organization posted missions). Part 8. Have a board at the arkship spawn point at the start with limited missions just to start people off. And have the boards created by the organizations give better missions with better rewards. Now this is just a fantasy i had of an organizational driven economy with an organization creating towns, hubs, and outposts to further grow and generate revenue for itself and it's members. I'm not very good at explaining ideas in plain words so please pardon the confusing descriptions. (This is not meant to replace an in-game market, it's just a way to generate credits)
  17. I know that NQ have been very informative on how markets will work, and how products are bought and sold, however, has there been any thought or information thrown around about the actual financial system? How will the financial system run - similarly to real life? What would be the role of banks (if they even existed as the game mechanics allowed)? What about loans, or investments, to people who don't have the funds to undertake large projects. Could banks store people's money (or would that even be necessary)? What about groups or companies that could go public, and have people buy stakes in them in order to raise funds, just as in real life? I just figured this was all food for thought as it doesn't seem to be something that's been explored yet.
  18. Ensuring that Subscriptions are Done Right

    There are two kinds of subscriptions which I can think of off the top of my head. Monthly subscriptions and hourly subscriptions. The difference is as follows. Monthly subscriptions last for a duration of months after their activation and constantly count down regardless of whether or not the player is online. Hourly subscriptions pay directly for the hours a player can be online, which can be used whenever the player wishes, meaning that you are directly paying for the time you are online. The inclusion of both would be very beneficial for creating freedom in choice for purchasing time to play the game. The major difference is that monthly is often cheaper, but doesn't account for players who rarely get on or who get on extremely often, resulting in a less predictable load on the servers. With the hourly system, players directly pay for the time they will be using up server resources, which is more precise and can be saved for when they want to play. As someone who often plays something a lot but in short bursts, I would prefer the hourly subscription.
  19. Stargate econ?

    [Whoops. Accidental duplicate post. Please respond to the other one.] Mod, can you delete please?
  20. Stargate econ?

    Some musing on stargates brings up some questions: Will the builder of a stargate be able to charge a toll for its use? If not, how would they amortize the cost? Will a stargate have a (digital) key, so only authorized users can use it? Will the owner have to have an armada patrolling to stop unauthorized use? If I send a probe from Earth to Mars (or other pair of planets in the same system) will I be able to build a stargate between them? This could be very profitable for fast, easy trade if a use fee can be charged. Or is there a one stargate per system limit?
  21. Make Everything Difficult

    There have been some topics around this area, particularly with building ships, but I feel that the this is a concept valid for the entire game. In a huge civilization-building, player-interactions-driven game, I feel that having people skilled in just certain areas will eventually lead to a more enjoyable experience for players. And this is something that many people may disagree with upon first hearing it, but find in the long run that they think it works really well. Or maybe they'll hate it! I want to share my opinion on it though, and I ask that those reading, who may think it's stupid, give it a chance. Also remember that there are two sides to this, neither are correct, and both are valid. It's just opinion based. If anyone is familiar with the game series LittleBigPlanet, the first and second iterations for the PS3 played a huge role in a season of my life. They were the main games I played for months, and I had a friend who was into it as I was. Anyway if you don't know the game, it's not important. Basically, you use some basic tools to make little minigame-ish things (I'll refer to them as levels). Anyway, in the first game, there were a few levels and creators that stood out significantly from all the rest, because they were fantastic (anyone that knows the name "Lockstitch" off the top of their head is a freaking awesome person). Me and my friend, we knew exactly what tools were available, and what you could and "couldn't" do. But some few levels stood out to us because, as people who knew the game inside and out, we had no clue how they some of these things were accomplished. A fair few levels were outstanding and amazing due to their mechanics and visuals. When LittleBigPlanet 2 arrived, there were tons and tons of new tools added. These were fun and great to be sure, but they made everything that made the old levels special, not special. Because, all of the fantastic things that had been done before (in the first game) were now basic and easy because there were tools to do them (in the second game). This made a lot of great content a lot more common. Which of course was a good thing. And there were certainly levels that still pushed the boundaries. But overall, by making cool and unique things easy, it made great content a lot more common and thereby a lot less special. If Dual Universe makes building easy, and mining easy, and combat easy, and exploration easy... Well, then there are going to be lots of amazing ships, and lots of miners, and lots of warriors and lots of explorers. You may say, "that sounds great!" But, remember my exceedingly dramatic and emotional story. When you make it easy, it stops being special. In a game like Dual Universe, where player interactions and jobs and organizations are such a key factor, it shouldn't be easy to do anything. It shouldn't be easy to switch from a being an efficient miner working for a large corporation to a stupendous explorer finding rare resources on hostile worlds at the edge of the known galaxy. Sure, you can switch job titles and do whatever you want whenever you want, because it's a game! I'm just saying you shouldn't be able to switch from being outstanding at one thing, to suddenly outstanding at another. This allows individuals the opportunity to stand out, and be known for something. "Hey he's that guy that makes that line of super efficient yet powerful ships. I don't know how he comes up with that stuff." "What, you want to send Xx_M8_SLAYR_xX to go hunting for that anomaly? He's an architect, someone else will find it way sooner!" If someone wants to be known for something, then they go for that something and only that and they end up being great at it, and known for it. Lots of people will choose to not do this, which allows the few that do to stand out. I can't really say much else that I haven't said already. I believe I've gotten my point across. Regarding designing ships or stations, it's easier to see how an individual could be better at it than most others. Mining or exploration expertise could be accomplished, not just by having better equipment or skills, but also by there being hidden techniques that people just have to learn by doing it. Thank you for reading and please try and be civil in your response, as, once again, both opinions are valid! When everyone's special, no one is... And if you're good at something, never do it for free!
  22. Stock Market

    Would a stock market analogue work in a game like this? In the real world, it always seemed to me like stocks are only worth anything to someone because everyone else wants them. That's how it always seemed to me anyway, I've never been big into the stock market. However, in the game, what with organizations and how big a role it seems they'll play along with player-driven content, I feel like a stock market system, albeit on a small scale, could be something that would work in Dual Universe. I could also see it NOT working of course, like someone who owns tons of stock just stops playing. Or, no one is ever really interested in it and it becomes a mechanic no one pays attention to. I feel like it could go either way but I'm rather unfamiliar with the real stock market. Does anyone else have thoughts on this?
  23. Lets say I make an awesome ship and I sell it on the market for a certain amount. What's to stop some guy from buying it, saving it as his own blueprint, then selling it and making tons more currency because he is able to get more attention drawn towards it? Also, whats to stop someone from just saving a ship or construct I'm working on as a blueprint? I was thinking along the lines of constructs being owner specific, even if created from blueprints; so the first person to place a block for a construct permanently owns it and all copies of it. The only problem with that is, what if I take a piece of crap ship and make it 100 times better? Then I can't make a blueprint from it. I was also thinking there could be an "ownership block", where whoever places it on a construct owns that construct permanently. But then that could simply be broken and replaced by someone else to call the ship theirs.
  24. This is something common in regular multiplayer games but I feel in a game with crafting, it can become somewhat of an issue. What I'm suggesting is to not make a 'best version' of anything. What I mean is, since most items will be craftable, don't make there be that one greatest version that everyone aspires for. A standard model for crafting games is starting with the lowest tier, with each upgrade above that increasing all of it's stats, to the point where at some point you get the ultimate form of that item. You hear it all the times in games; people say they have "max everything". Whether it be full diamond armor and tool set, a 48 slot ship, or the 'black hole gun', they go for it as an end goal and once they reach it, they have nothing left to do. I think it is important for a game like this to avoid that, and to do so I suggest everything has at least two different stats which are somewhat inversely proportional to each other. This is of course not a new idea; racing games see cars with fast speed and bad handling (and vice versa), multiplayer games have different weapons that all have varying amounts of different stats, but none that stands out as better than the other. It's just preference and application. And this by no means is a suggestion only for weapons! They're just a good example. I am suggesting this for all types of objects and items; mining equipment, scanners and communication equipment, ore refining equipment, engines, reactors, etc. All of these objects, if given even just two stats that cannot simultaneously be maxed out, ensures that there will always be diversification and a rich economy. What this does is: 1) Take away an end-game goal for people. Many might aim for the top-tier items and, upon obtaining those, be at a loss for what to do next and grow bored. 2) Add growth and variety to the economy. This is what we don't want, and I can see it now... "Max stats" a search term in the ship store, and the most popular ships and structures (the only ones people are interested in) are those that contain the top-tier of everything. 3) Add strategy to factions of any and every size and skill level. No faction can ever reach the point of being as good as they can be, because there are always different ways to use different items. 4) Basically, ensure that no one can ever be the best. (Sorry Ash) I think it is important, if it is agreed upon, that this become implemented at the beginning of the games life. Because if it is not, it might get very difficult to implement later on. What are some thoughts of yours?
  25. Cities and their purpose

    When i saw the game trailer, i got pretty excited for the city that is seen in the end, but then i started thinking, why would anyone actually build something like that? If a player wants a base in a planet, he could have used all those resources on one big, easy to defend bunker. But then i also started thinking, maybe they could produce money? It would be hard to balance, but it would add in my opinion a lot more strategy to the game. The planets that are fertile and have a breathable atmosphere would be much more contested, if cities took a lot of resources and time to build, they would of course be fought over. To prevent snowballing, the cities should produce very little in the way of money, and by that i mean something like 0.01 credits/building in 10h. And for balance and realism, they could require stuff like food, clean water, etc, etc... But also, the solar systems near the starting spawn are going to get mined dry. It might take some time, but it will happen. If the planets had cities that took ALOT of effort and material to build, and they provided a stable income, then the center, even dry of resources would be a center of warring factions trying to get their hands on the stable income. TLDR: cities could produce money, but require correct types of planets, they could require resources and keep areas that are mined dry of resources relevant through the game.