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I think they're waiting to see if the missions system will bring those of us they lost back. HINT: At least for me, nope.
 
I've been watching Reddit and there have been new players going over there and asking about what there is to do besides mine. Of course now there's nothing to do other than mine when you're brand new. They'll have to slave away for months/years at this rate. Even after the mission system implementation, they'll still be months away from doing anything useful. Oh, and good luck mining the asteroids in the PvP zone. The gankers will be out in force to get easy unarmed kills. That's so dumb.

You're not helping anyone. Parasocial? Naw man, all business contracts (like subscriptions) are a relationship. I pay you money, you make a product that I want. I signed a contract and paid a sub to beta test a game and I get alpha changes being made that break gameplay in major ways. I consider that a breach of contract. They knew before going into this patch they were going to piss people off. Weeks before .32, there was a suggestion similar to the way schematics were actually implemented and it was met with pretty cold reception. They knew it was a shit idea at this time and implemented it anyway. When .32 dropped, they broke my confidence and trust right then and there. It proved to me that NQ has no idea what the majority of their player base wants or what the game actually needed before hand.
 
Listen, I know you have no real clue that you're not helping retain this customer over here for NQ, otherwise you would've just shut up and continued on with the crap sandwich of a game you paid for. If you really like being crapped on, hey man, stick around and they'll do it again and again.
 
HERE IS WHY I'M NOT HAPPY: I signed up for a game that advertised that I could do anything, even alone. Great! I signed up. Then, after months of me putting in time to build a small basic industry just to I could toy around with ship building, THEY BROKE THE GAME WITH SCHEMATICS. AT THIS POINT, it was no longer the game that was advertised to me. SO THERE YOU HAVE IT. IS THERE ANYMORE CONFUSION IN YOUR MIND?

Sure it is. As @Lethys said it best.
 
I see it more as a relationship. Once the devs decide to start abusing their player base, it's time to leave. I've done it with other games and I'm DUing it now. I refuse to be abused.

You're not helping anyone. Parasocial? Naw man, all business contracts (like subscriptions) are a relationship. I pay you money, you make a product that I want. I signed a contract and paid a sub to beta test a game and I get alpha changes being made that break gameplay in major ways. I consider that a breach of contract. They knew before going into this patch they were going to piss people off. Weeks before .32, there was a suggestion similar to the way schematics were actually implemented and it was met with pretty cold reception. They knew it was a shit idea at this time and implemented it anyway. When .32 dropped, they broke my confidence and trust right then and there. It proved to me that NQ has no idea what the majority of their player base wants or what the game actually needed before hand.
 
Listen, I know you have no real clue that you're not helping retain this customer over here for NQ, otherwise you would've just shut up and continued on with the crap sandwich of a game you paid for. If you really like being crapped on, hey man, stick around and they'll do it again and again.
 
HERE IS WHY I'M NOT HAPPY: I signed up for a game that advertised that I could do anything, even alone. Great! I signed up. Then, after months of me putting in time to build a small basic industry just to I could toy around with ship building, THEY BROKE THE GAME WITH SCHEMATICS. AT THIS POINT, it was no longer the game that was advertised to me. SO THERE YOU HAVE IT. IS THERE ANYMORE CONFUSION IN YOUR MIND?

Sure it is. As @Lethys said it best.
 
I see it more as a relationship. Once the devs decide to start abusing their player base, it's time to leave. I've done it with other games and I'm DUing it now. I refuse to be abused.

you are the minority not the majority so its you with the limited view.   Just cause your org fills its time doesn't mean their is a ton of content in game.   You might enjoy staring at rocks all day, you might enjoy administration of org resources, you might enjoy walking around and flying that doesn't mean there is actually content to play....using the same "fun with friends" argument fallout 76, and no mans sky (release) used...
 
There are not many ways to make money in DU... the DEV's themselves have said as much in their last update post, so sorry to say you are just wrong.

The problem is space.
 
In the current format they have set a standard and if they shave it down now it just makes things worse since it is anything but a level playingfield at this point or any kind of balance to make it fun. If a new solar system is the answer then whenever the wipe happens they might as well add a 3rd connected opposing solar system and make the center one a no mans land pvp anywhere anytime but more stable in the two others with factions.
 
If they made the middle solar system so full of ore vs the standard homeworlds to the point that you could get rich overnight with 1 good haul or that there would be a sustained effort to get there to fight over the over abundant mats it would create the conditions to have a base for pvp  if you could also march into the opposing solar system minus Ailioth or the opposing version and the three moons as a triangulated protection if there are anti pvp generators protecting the safe zone triangle and the opposing side had to siege the generators and other things like in the empire strikes back for each of the moons. It also presents the idea that all ore tiers need to be semi present in those protected areas so that if they are pinned down in a blockade they can still mount a retaliation being cut off from the larger deposits on other planets but it needs to be respawnable and likely rock harvest bassed so it does not break the game.
 
At that point any expansion solar systems, just empty space or the belts of rock outside each solar system and dead planets could also be options or adding 1-2 enemy faction civs on wouldnt hurt either perhaps one being humans like us bound to the talent system and some kind of alien race on the other side. We just need random moments where a probe, scouting party, fleet, armada, mothership conflict shows up over time with invasion warnings like from skyforge.
 
Until that happens this game is not set up for pvp to happen or in any kind of scale that would make conducive large scale pvp if it was faction based and other smaller orgs could help out vs being smashed into the ground in every aspect of the game and never having any competition emerge since they already have and control most of the game already with the evolution of this game without more space to fight over with set jump gates and random wormholes, hot zones, gold rushes, and other features that draw people to certain areas.
 
Setting up a fish bowl and giving a kid a gun to blast gold fish trying to live their virtual lives to mine and prosper in a finite solar system is short sighted and will never achieve the type of PvP of EvE online they love so much. This game is just not set up for it to ever occur. I came here to smash faces and become a space pirate like everyone else and it turns out this is a forced labor camp sim with building elements and pvp ill never experience. Just feels like a bait and switch.

Well, right now they'd be showing an awful lot of mining. They don't really have a cohesive game yet, and they're treating it like jenga. I'm sure that the .23 concept convo went something like this:
 
Devs: Players are making all their own stuff! The market will never take off!
JC: We've got to STOP THEM!
      *points to dev* You! Release the schematics!
Dev: But that will anger the pla...
JC: I DON'T CARE! They must be STOPPED!
Dev: Yes master...
        *drops .23r and 2/3 the subscribed player base quits*
JC: How DARE they? That patch was PERFECT! Perfect I tell you!
Devs: Well, now they say there's nothing to do but mine and solo play is dead....
JC: YES! That's the point!
Devs: They don't like that...
JC: I will do a "Q&A" on discord and tell them they should like it....
      *does discord Q&A*
Devs: They don't believe you... Some do, but many still don't... Unsubs are at record rates...
JC: At this rate, we're done for! Ok, ok, let me think... We'll tell them that the element destruction will be backtracked SOON(TM) and  we'll give them *air quotes* "something else" SOON(TM). Also, we'll lower the price on schematics, since they're griping about it....
      *posts video saying such*
NQ sits on backtrack patches to see what happens...

What's holding it back?
 
NQ (or maybe just JC, idk) doesn't know the difference between alpha and beta tests. This game is still in alpha state, but advertised and sold as a beta. It needed months/years more alpha testing and tweaking  before ever doing open beta. Note, beta means that the game is generally feature complete and the test revolves around bug fixing and small tweaks here and there.
 
A huge example was patch .23. This was an alpha level game-breaking change that should rightly piss people off in a beta.
 
What NQ is doing is wrong.

What's holding it back?
 
NQ (or maybe just JC, idk) doesn't know the difference between alpha and beta tests. This game is still in alpha state, but advertised and sold as a beta. It needed months/years more alpha testing and tweaking  before ever doing open beta. Note, beta means that the game is generally feature complete and the test revolves around bug fixing and small tweaks here and there.
 
A huge example was patch .23. This was an alpha level game-breaking change that should rightly piss people off in a beta.
 
What NQ is doing is wrong.

What's holding it back?
 
NQ (or maybe just JC, idk) doesn't know the difference between alpha and beta tests. This game is still in alpha state, but advertised and sold as a beta. It needed months/years more alpha testing and tweaking  before ever doing open beta. Note, beta means that the game is generally feature complete and the test revolves around bug fixing and small tweaks here and there.
 
A huge example was patch .23. This was an alpha level game-breaking change that should rightly piss people off in a beta.
 
What NQ is doing is wrong.

I fear its already too late.  They are going to have to do something dramatic in order to get old players back... and I'm not talking about fixing emotes (their last priority patch).

Sure it is. As @Lethys said it best.
 
I see it more as a relationship. Once the devs decide to start abusing their player base, it's time to leave. I've done it with other games and I'm DUing it now. I refuse to be abused.

Sure it is. As @Lethys said it best.
 
I see it more as a relationship. Once the devs decide to start abusing their player base, it's time to leave. I've done it with other games and I'm DUing it now. I refuse to be abused.

Why did you post the same thing 6 times? It doesn't matter. I've pretty much moved on and am playing other games that aren't ridiculously over complicated for no good reason other than to gate and hamstring progression.

With a bad game it is the only option for one who doesn't enjoy it

Why did you post the same thing 6 times? It doesn't matter. I've pretty much moved on and am playing other games that aren't ridiculously over complicated for no good reason other than to gate and hamstring progression.

Why did you post the same thing 6 times? It doesn't matter. I've pretty much moved on and am playing other games that aren't ridiculously over complicated for no good reason other than to gate and hamstring progression.

Why should I slave for an org? And actually, no, I was never setup for Warp Drives or AGG's. I set my sights on building small and efficient ships.
 
Good for you and good for him. That has ZERO to do with me. The sooner you figure out that not everyone is you, the less disappointed you will be when we don't care what you do.
 
No, it's a "I have a life outside of the game, screw being a slave, and don't have years to pour into a game just to be able to do what I want" kind of thing.

Why did you post the same thing 6 times? It doesn't matter. I've pretty much moved on and am playing other games that aren't ridiculously over complicated for no good reason other than to gate and hamstring progression.

Why should I slave for an org? And actually, no, I was never setup for Warp Drives or AGG's. I set my sights on building small and efficient ships.
 
Good for you and good for him. That has ZERO to do with me. The sooner you figure out that not everyone is you, the less disappointed you will be when we don't care what you do.
 
No, it's a "I have a life outside of the game, screw being a slave, and don't have years to pour into a game just to be able to do what I want" kind of thing.

Why did you post the same thing 6 times? It doesn't matter. I've pretty much moved on and am playing other games that aren't ridiculously over complicated for no good reason other than to gate and hamstring progression.

I'm doing the same thing and just logging in to collect my daily. I've grounded my bigger ships and use my pocket rocket if I get an idea and need something, but it hasn't happened in weeks.
 
.23 sucked all the fun out of the game. Everything I was interested in, gone.

Why should I slave for an org? And actually, no, I was never setup for Warp Drives or AGG's. I set my sights on building small and efficient ships.
 
Good for you and good for him. That has ZERO to do with me. The sooner you figure out that not everyone is you, the less disappointed you will be when we don't care what you do.
 
No, it's a "I have a life outside of the game, screw being a slave, and don't have years to pour into a game just to be able to do what I want" kind of thing.

Don't waste your time and effort arguing with that guy lol
 
Folks like that can't understand that different people like different thing, that's not ok to them, you have to be like them or you should not exist. That's their mindset.