bastanold

Why do you need a protection bubble when you can just have a massive shield generator that makes it near impossible for raiders to damage you? You could even have massive solar panels to help with fuel economy. If it is a nomad fleet (like the migrant fleet from Mass Effect) then NQ could add in Fortress Shields that creates a shield around multiple ships (the way that would work is a somewhat different discussion)

Safe zone? There is only 1. There may be another about 2 years after release. So expect them to be rare. Also the area they cover could be considered small relative to the size of the universe, but 20km radius area seems quite big in the beginning.
 
Static cores should be able to be built anywhere tho, otherwise how do we get space stations? I don't see the point of building in deep space since it's far away from all those lovely resources, but that shouldn't stop people from having secret deep space bases.

I live in null
 
Point is, a gazillion joule shield is something organic in the game. It's an aspect that can be tackled via boarding. A 48h timer on shield can't be tackled that way, only with time. Timers are put on stationary targets, because they can't change where they'll be, while a ship would.
 
And yes the Citadel POCO analogy is accurate.

A nomadic fleet wouldn't have to guard its stuff any more than someone with their stuff on a planet or station(outside a safe zone). With shields that have 48hr reinforcement timers I'd put that on a really big ship then put all my stuff in there. Something huge like an EVE carrier or super(or, god forbid, a titan).

Capt.Twerk,
Okay, I see your point about role reversal with a mobile station that has a timer shield. It would be like having a mobile citadel in EVE and bumping it up to a POCO to destroy it. Death star stuff basically with the added ace-in-the-hole of a timer shield to fall on if sitf. That would not be something I'd want to see in DU.
 
If someone can build a gazillion joule shield that spans a km, great. I'd still build the huge ship just to make up for those not online to have a place to park that isn't a planet. It's not permanent but it's safer than out in space(I hope the server can handle all those objects that are sure to be floating all around when the owners go offline).
 
And no carebear sentiment here. I live in losec in EVE. My reasoning has to do with thinking through a possible lifestyle for DU. That's the extent of that agenda. Thinking it through in a forum is a great place to get new ideas or feedback. The intent is to put forward an idea and allow it to be crowdsourced to refinement. That's why I post really.
 
Cheers!

Capt.Twerk,
Okay, I see your point about role reversal with a mobile station that has a timer shield. It would be like having a mobile citadel in EVE and bumping it up to a POCO to destroy it. Death star stuff basically with the added ace-in-the-hole of a timer shield to fall on if sitf. That would not be something I'd want to see in DU.
 
If someone can build a gazillion joule shield that spans a km, great. I'd still build the huge ship just to make up for those not online to have a place to park that isn't a planet. It's not permanent but it's safer than out in space(I hope the server can handle all those objects that are sure to be floating all around when the owners go offline).
 
And no carebear sentiment here. I live in losec in EVE. My reasoning has to do with thinking through a possible lifestyle for DU. That's the extent of that agenda. Thinking it through in a forum is a great place to get new ideas or feedback. The intent is to put forward an idea and allow it to be crowdsourced to refinement. That's why I post really.
 
Cheers!

This is cool but I do think they should be quite rare like they said, maybe even rarer. If they implement too many of these i feel like they will be used and abused way too much for all the wrong reasons.

False. Nomadic lifeform was abandoned because it prevented field farming and stopped the progress of technology.
 
But gamewise would you want to stay logged in all night to guard your stuff.

No, but also that's why I'm building underground. Building on the surface is not mandatory. Also, NQ should not put 100000000000000000 safezons in the game, cause it would be a joke of a game afterwards. It wouldn't be a sandbox after that, it would be a playbox for babies. You wanna be nomadic or an explorer? You forfeit safety of the safezones or protection bubbles.
 
The game is about Risk and Reward on some playstyles. If NQ was to make systems without Arkships (and safezones that way) being richer in minerals of rarer quality and a value, then you should have to worry about parking your ship pel mel in the middle of nowhere. Stupidity should be punished by any means. You go up against a heavily armored guy and you brought a 9mm pistol and no extra magazines? Tough luck, stupidty is punished. Likewise, you go into "nomadic" stuff? Guess what, if you are found having parked your ship in the middle of nowhere and a person blows it up, tough luck, your risk, you fault for parking the ship in the middle of nowhere.
 
The point is for Safezones to be far and few between (since the Arkships were few to begin with). Players are the ones to build artificial safezones (Protection Bubbles). But those things are for CIVILISED and COLONONISED space. Nomads roam where there's no civilisation or society, as well as explorers.
 
Some playstyles are easy and free of risk, like living in a safezone and being a creator or RPer. Som other have risk, as you are doing said playtstyles far from safety and for that, you are rewarded accordingly. This is why I chose to :
 
1) got a safe base somwhere underground WITH other people, so I don't have to forfeit sleep - it's an MMO and it shouldn't cater to antisocial people who want to play the game solo and be on equal footing with 1000 people orgs.
 
2) embrace risk and reward and accept that my mistakes, should be penalised by the game in one way or another.
 
 
As I  said, let's not ask for the game to be a playbox for babies, complete with the admins being nanies, because Lil' 30 Year Old Timmy didn't use his hgher cognitive functions to realise the guy who told him "give me all your money and I'll double them!!!111" was a scammer.Having safezones EVERWHERE , is a step towards making the game for Lil' Timmy, who's a person who doesn't want to engage his mind to the slightest and being on equal ground with a person that does.
 
First it's the safezones being everywhere, then it's the admins banning pirates and then the game ends up with nobody playing.

It's 48h for now and it's more like the reinforcement timer in eve. That shield needs fuel. As long as it has fuel, it protects. If attacked, it enters reinforce and after 48h you can kill it.

Just like Void and ATMLVE said, any Nomadic Org would need to be very well protected/guarded, and would need to keep moving in a forward direction. The issue with this is it would lose the title "Nomadic." You would just become a small organization that survives with a single ship. No matter what, your progression in the game, instead of a repeating circle, would be a continuous line away from Alioth.

-When you log off your ship doesnt disappear
To protect it while you're offline, you need to set up a territory control unit.
To avoid people moving their claim continuosly, there'll probably be a price to pay when you place one that you can't recover when you remove he claim
 
If inventories will have mass, moving with you all your stuff would be costly both in terms of fuel consumption and in terms of ship's performances
 
It will be possible but very inefficient, probably realistically viable with a small ship only

A group of people can certainly try to live off of just a single ship, and indeed there are orgs that want to do that, like the Blue Moon. The issue is there will be other people that want those resources too. As you said, nomad tribes would sometimes fight with each other. You can bet that if a decently well armed ship trying to mine some resources stumbles across a less armed ship doing the same thing, there's going to be conflict.
 
Undoubtedly there will be people that will spend all their time on a ship, never settling on a base. Perhaps a Migrant Fleet or a lone little cruiser. Either way, it's a cool way to play, and it might work out well, but if you have all of your stuff with you and you go out on your own all the time, there's a good chance you'll find trouble.
 
It's a high risk/reward system... I'm sure some people wouldn't have it any other way.

In my opinion, ATMLVE has said all relevant. I am also of the opinion, that it is an exciting playstyle. Nothing comes from nothing. In the end, you see what you have done. I think it is also a matter of time, when you get to the game. At the beginning, everything will still be under construction and the nomadic life will be a bit quieter. The later you get to it, the more difficult it could become. Especially when territories have formed as well as the characters with abilities. If you come later, I would be looking for an organization early to train the skill points before tackling a nomadic life.
 
The only thing I would add for nomadic life:
Each of your mistakes will be punished.

This will all depend on whether or not certain infrastructure features will be station-only. In games like Space Engineers or Starmade, a player can live entirely out of a ship because you can build almost everything for any play style into a ship.
 
There are some serious limitations though, for example in Starmade, you only benefit from build protections for pvp purposes in your home sector, at your home base, and any ship docked to it also gets that protection. You can't actually protect an undocked ship, so for a nomadic lifestyle you would HAVE to set up a tiny station to dock your ship to, and claim whatever sector you are in to get home base protection.
 
Space engineers makes it possible to have a mothership style base with role-specific ships that can be unlocked for certain activities. I had toyed around for a while with a ship design like that, a large "jump ship" station with almost no propulsion, but with medium-sized miners and fighters attached. The mother ship could handle all of the actual industry tasks such as refining and assembling without a station.
 
For this to really work for Dual Universe, there needs to be a way to protect a ship from pvp while AFK, or you'll need to be dropping your ship off in safe zones while afk, and from what we've seen so far from the devs, it seems like getting into space PERIOD will take a while. I think having a nomad lifestyle will actually be easier late-game than it will be early game, as time goes on there will be more infrastructure in space that will allow for shelter, and there may even be an update in the future for space territory unit safe zones that can shield nomads. For now though, it seems like most of the early game play will be terrestrial and permanent structure focused.

The main problem I see with the idea of recurring patterns of pasturage is that in real life, nomadic lifestyles are based on giving the area time to regenerate it's resources (like the grass and trees), but in DU the resources won't regenerate. So you could stay at an area for a while until you've mined most of the resources and move on, but when you come back that areas still going to be just depleted as it was when you left, so why come back at all? It seems to me that the real nomadic lifestyle in DU would be to just keep moving on and never returning to an area. Of course, since it is designed to be difficult to advance between systems that would mean you would either spend lot's of time travelling between systems or building stargates. 

https://discord.gg/Dcsue8N
 
The word ‘tuemen’ is Mongolian and the name of the 10,000-man division that formed the core of the Mongol Army under Chingis Haan. Likewise, the Tuemen Foundation is the central resource for the study of military art and warfare in Alioth. It is an independent organization and holds firmly to a neutral stance to all other organizations in or originated from Alioth.
 
Our purpose is to record and study the conduct of warfare among combatants, and the composition and effectiveness of their forces. In this way we hope to provide the means of avoiding military disaster and reducing death and destruction of property. We are analysts of war and historians of warfare from the earliest times on Earth to the present era of Alioth.
 
Hiya, folks. Seemed like a good idea to put together an org focused on warfare and military history for Dual Universe. It's an academic organization that caters to no one and provides a forum for those of like mind, where they can discuss and debate on military trends or theories pertaining to the world of Alioth and its environs. If interested please feel free to submit an application to join the org. 
 
If you enjoy discussing topics like military history and the military arts this may be an organization you'll enjoy.
 
Bayarlalaa!

https://discord.gg/Dcsue8N
 
The word ‘tuemen’ is Mongolian and the name of the 10,000-man division that formed the core of the Mongol Army under Chingis Haan. Likewise, the Tuemen Foundation is the central resource for the study of military art and warfare in Alioth. It is an independent organization and holds firmly to a neutral stance to all other organizations in or originated from Alioth.
 
Our purpose is to record and study the conduct of warfare among combatants, and the composition and effectiveness of their forces. In this way we hope to provide the means of avoiding military disaster and reducing death and destruction of property. We are analysts of war and historians of warfare from the earliest times on Earth to the present era of Alioth.
 
Hiya, folks. Seemed like a good idea to put together an org focused on warfare and military history for Dual Universe. It's an academic organization that caters to no one and provides a forum for those of like mind, where they can discuss and debate on military trends or theories pertaining to the world of Alioth and its environs. If interested please feel free to submit an application to join the org. 
 
If you enjoy discussing topics like military history and the military arts this may be an organization you'll enjoy.
 
Bayarlalaa!

Thank you for the kind words! Time will tell whether this idea takes fruit or not, but your encouragement is greatly appreciated.

https://discord.gg/Dcsue8N
 
The word ‘tuemen’ is Mongolian and the name of the 10,000-man division that formed the core of the Mongol Army under Chingis Haan. Likewise, the Tuemen Foundation is the central resource for the study of military art and warfare in Alioth. It is an independent organization and holds firmly to a neutral stance to all other organizations in or originated from Alioth.
 
Our purpose is to record and study the conduct of warfare among combatants, and the composition and effectiveness of their forces. In this way we hope to provide the means of avoiding military disaster and reducing death and destruction of property. We are analysts of war and historians of warfare from the earliest times on Earth to the present era of Alioth.
 
Hiya, folks. Seemed like a good idea to put together an org focused on warfare and military history for Dual Universe. It's an academic organization that caters to no one and provides a forum for those of like mind, where they can discuss and debate on military trends or theories pertaining to the world of Alioth and its environs. If interested please feel free to submit an application to join the org. 
 
If you enjoy discussing topics like military history and the military arts this may be an organization you'll enjoy.
 
Bayarlalaa!

https://discord.gg/Dcsue8N
 
The word ‘tuemen’ is Mongolian and the name of the 10,000-man division that formed the core of the Mongol Army under Chingis Haan. Likewise, the Tuemen Foundation is the central resource for the study of military art and warfare in Alioth. It is an independent organization and holds firmly to a neutral stance to all other organizations in or originated from Alioth.
 
Our purpose is to record and study the conduct of warfare among combatants, and the composition and effectiveness of their forces. In this way we hope to provide the means of avoiding military disaster and reducing death and destruction of property. We are analysts of war and historians of warfare from the earliest times on Earth to the present era of Alioth.
 
Hiya, folks. Seemed like a good idea to put together an org focused on warfare and military history for Dual Universe. It's an academic organization that caters to no one and provides a forum for those of like mind, where they can discuss and debate on military trends or theories pertaining to the world of Alioth and its environs. If interested please feel free to submit an application to join the org. 
 
If you enjoy discussing topics like military history and the military arts this may be an organization you'll enjoy.
 
Bayarlalaa!

https://discord.gg/Dcsue8N
 
The word ‘tuemen’ is Mongolian and the name of the 10,000-man division that formed the core of the Mongol Army under Chingis Haan. Likewise, the Tuemen Foundation is the central resource for the study of military art and warfare in Alioth. It is an independent organization and holds firmly to a neutral stance to all other organizations in or originated from Alioth.
 
Our purpose is to record and study the conduct of warfare among combatants, and the composition and effectiveness of their forces. In this way we hope to provide the means of avoiding military disaster and reducing death and destruction of property. We are analysts of war and historians of warfare from the earliest times on Earth to the present era of Alioth.
 
Hiya, folks. Seemed like a good idea to put together an org focused on warfare and military history for Dual Universe. It's an academic organization that caters to no one and provides a forum for those of like mind, where they can discuss and debate on military trends or theories pertaining to the world of Alioth and its environs. If interested please feel free to submit an application to join the org. 
 
If you enjoy discussing topics like military history and the military arts this may be an organization you'll enjoy.
 
Bayarlalaa!

https://discord.gg/Dcsue8N
 
The word ‘tuemen’ is Mongolian and the name of the 10,000-man division that formed the core of the Mongol Army under Chingis Haan. Likewise, the Tuemen Foundation is the central resource for the study of military art and warfare in Alioth. It is an independent organization and holds firmly to a neutral stance to all other organizations in or originated from Alioth.
 
Our purpose is to record and study the conduct of warfare among combatants, and the composition and effectiveness of their forces. In this way we hope to provide the means of avoiding military disaster and reducing death and destruction of property. We are analysts of war and historians of warfare from the earliest times on Earth to the present era of Alioth.
 
Hiya, folks. Seemed like a good idea to put together an org focused on warfare and military history for Dual Universe. It's an academic organization that caters to no one and provides a forum for those of like mind, where they can discuss and debate on military trends or theories pertaining to the world of Alioth and its environs. If interested please feel free to submit an application to join the org. 
 
If you enjoy discussing topics like military history and the military arts this may be an organization you'll enjoy.
 
Bayarlalaa!

https://discord.gg/Dcsue8N
 
The word ‘tuemen’ is Mongolian and the name of the 10,000-man division that formed the core of the Mongol Army under Chingis Haan. Likewise, the Tuemen Foundation is the central resource for the study of military art and warfare in Alioth. It is an independent organization and holds firmly to a neutral stance to all other organizations in or originated from Alioth.
 
Our purpose is to record and study the conduct of warfare among combatants, and the composition and effectiveness of their forces. In this way we hope to provide the means of avoiding military disaster and reducing death and destruction of property. We are analysts of war and historians of warfare from the earliest times on Earth to the present era of Alioth.
 
Hiya, folks. Seemed like a good idea to put together an org focused on warfare and military history for Dual Universe. It's an academic organization that caters to no one and provides a forum for those of like mind, where they can discuss and debate on military trends or theories pertaining to the world of Alioth and its environs. If interested please feel free to submit an application to join the org. 
 
If you enjoy discussing topics like military history and the military arts this may be an organization you'll enjoy.
 
Bayarlalaa!

Maybe I'm old school but the game will get popular and build a larger playerbase when there is a game to play. Look at what happened to No Man's Sky. I wouldn't want for things to spin out of control and die in a fire like it did there. For now let the game be built and then let the game draw the crowd.