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SB disallowed all social engineering / scamming etc. It's like a sandbox where you can't raise sand higher than 5cm from the ground because you can accidentally hit other player eyes... "Intended gameplay only" now. So SB is dead for me and for many other players like me. PVP there is just an arcade shooting anyway. Seems they want to go the soft way putting money on soft/casual playerbase. DU ? It's still crap and dev velocity seems to be non existent but NQ can still salvage it if they put their heads out of their a??es. ATM game lacks content, any end-game goals or meaningful PVP objectives. I just played MO2, hell, if that game come out before DU brings me PVP, bb DU ?

So much analytics about that thing i put 1 and select PVP in...

Yep. There are like Empires with hundreds of thousands of players that are currently fighting over delve to have that precious farming spot and news sites covering every week fights etc. What we have in DU ? ATOM trying to create content and have to helplessly watch at people warping back and forth. "Fleet fights" are like 5 vs 5 max lol. Another stupid idea like "madis battleground" in that other thread where people just want "to battle" button at the top of the screen etc. Ha, and of course some stupid "PVP EVENT" like another starwars thingy in "emergent gameplay" game.

They are a problem because there is only 1 game loop: mine, refine, produce, sell/use. You can't "balance" when there is only 1 thing, you can't move anything as there is nowhere to move. If we have NPC missions that give quanta as reward (and remove all the bot buy orders) the problem will be fixed. The ore price will settle wherever it should settle per player market. NPC missions will inject quanta the same way other games inject quanta by you farming mobs or doing quests or whatever else PVE activity. This will not affect market that much as bot buy orders. NPC haul missions can have a risk vs reward too, it's pretty simple actually: Transport 10kt of stuff from Alioth to Madis. Reward = 2mil (low risk low reward). Transport 10kt of stuff from Alioth to Locobus. Reward = 10mil (high risk high reward). 500k "colleteral". If you break the box you get like sand or something that doesn't even worth 500k.

This is what we are talking about. PVP is not just about "go there to PVP" there should be a reward. Something you can only get when you PVP. High tier ore is what in most games does it but NQ foolishly allowed every noob to buy a 1mil warp drive and be king of T5 with the only downside is that the mining circle grows slower... That's dumb.

If you can't get T5 without the risk of your ship getting blown to peaces T5 is "high profit". You want high profit ? Risk venturing out to pvp space to get it not warp in, mine, warp out. Have unavoidable risk of losing something to get it. This concept is called risk vs reward and it works in all successful games.

Exactly. The only way to have almost infinite endgame goal is to have PVP as you can never fully "win" it. You can never achieve total domination. EvE proves it. So many years and there are still tens of thousands constantly online in game (yes they show it in launcher). Even people that will never actually PVP keep playing due to believing they will one day become bad ass pirates and kill everyone, they just need that marauder lvl5 to complete... It keeps them engaged, it keeps them believing there is something to work for.

NQ at Kickstarter to get money from players: There will be PVP everywhere other than sanct moon Players: Throwing money at NQ to fund the game NQ at beta start: PVP will be "limited", Madis/Alioth/Thades will be safe forever, no idea what we need sanct for. In practice, you don't ever PVP as there is no reason to. Players: Frack this NQ: Hmm, why player numbers are falling, didn't they want to rebuild their Star destroyer for the 123rd time with 2 left voxels painted with the new tool now ? That's content !

If you want to craft something for yourself - check if it can be crafted in nanopack, if it cannot and requires an assembly you better off buying the built item on the market until you figure stuff out (building stuff in assemblers requires high initial commitment) Your first aim should be a ship capable of hauling stuff. You can craft most things in nanopack and if not you can buy the remaining on the market. To make quanta, sell ore you mine. Get off sanctuary asap. Best place to go to is Madis(lots of ore, lower gravity), build a xs base with a respawn point there(resurection node). you will need territory control unit. Expand from there.

Themepark pvp yay \o/. So close to DU kickstarter promises...

We should probably start doing it the other way around. Listing what does work properly. At least there won't be such a long list...

If you are leaving, can I have your stuff ?

I did play eve since 2005 with s glimpse of it in beta (with only 3 systems). You could kill stuff and had a game at the start with more content than we have in DU now. Eve has expansions every 6 months, DU has jetpack switch. You should still say "waiting" when you talk about SC as there is no game yet, nor in any sense they promised.

You just said "be gone" to 99.8% of the player base (.8 because .9 will require at least 1k players and I don't think DU has it). Common, how can somebody be not upset with the progress as we didn't get anything meaningful/working since balpha start. The schematics is not "content" it was low dev involvement + done like everything else in DU: there are no schems for certain items and some schems have different name from what they produce.

Why people want AVA so badly ? Make the constructs xs guns be able to lock players and insta-kill them and that's all. DU is not supposed to be a shooter + with this engine it's gonna be a shitshow anyway.

But what makes you want to scan on PTS if you can do the same on live server ? It's not like you do it faster there. P.S: I am mining noob so maybe I just don't get it.

Why did he disclose himself. The more of a fun would be if he would tokenize, trade token to alt or something and use it there. This way no one would know who stole the stuff and he could continue doing it while Empire is witch hunting and getting lolz.

At least we will have trees and jetpack button. Hope you don't get your factory stopped when you press jetpack switch or something.

The bad part is that it still like half a year at least until public no-wipe game. May be more...

I don't fund any games on KS etc but really watching this one. The good sign is that they have a very good description of what mechanics they plan in their wiki. It's not perfect and not everything is there but at least we can see that people behind the wheel know what they are doing and clearly state what their game is gonna be. It's not like in DU when we don't even know where exactly the safezone will end at the start of public balpha.

Ow really, when many people said invest in pvp otherwise people will get bored and leave "builders" were against it. Saying they are having fun building another city for no reason (there is no reason for cites atm) Now when the theme park boredom dies and 90% of the population left builders cry. NQ to invest time because you did not think that someone could leave the game and you will have no access is definitely higher priority than making RoF skills work or dead cores stop so they can be captured right? We should even have an update about how trees and rocks look in a space game. That will definitely make people play it.

Constructs with sexual references are not allowed by the rules. Otherwise Kamasutra would be a child's play compared to DU complaint expression buildings.

And they will, but not "griefed" but "ruined". To the last voxel. That's gonna be FUN. Problem here is not people ruining them but creators that decided to build their city in zone that is well known to be PVP later on while having 0 ability to defend it.

Exactly. We have no valid reasons for PVP. AvA is a joke, this engine can't handle shooters so it's gonna be a shitshow even if it is somehow implemented.

I did it in VR...