RumRunnerI

I think you are reading this incorrectly, we aren't complaining that we cant get "the best of everything in a few months". I have been playing for a few months, mostly solo as my friends have quit, and I wont have everything with my play style. I'm fine with that as I see I have way more to do then RL time to play. My disappointment with 0.23 is the fact that I need to run to the market every 5 min. I'm about 130km away from the main markets so that's a bunch of time sunk just to fly there. If I have an hour to play I need to decide is it worth it to just fly there and back. 
 
I enjoy being apart of the community and using the markets but now I need to run there for every schematic. I can but the question is, do I want to invest that time and, is it fun? It's usually not worth my time and I find something else to do or some other game to play. Is it fun, no because crashing has implications and also takes time to fix. I stare at my screen doing nothing, wishing the fun would come back.

Agreed it is sad. In my 20+ years of gaming and MMOs, never has a heartbreaking of an update ever hit until 0.23. It is a paralyzing update and there is more fun elsewhere know but I still have hopes......hopefully realized in due time.

This reminded me of a point because this "war" on solo playing is very disruptive because the truth is, playing solo happens even when you are in an org. So many times I am on the phone or multi tasking and cant be on comms with an org. Reality has a way to force you to be solo sometimes or when you dont have long to play, you do so without an org. I fear we are taking a very narrow view of what a MMO should be. People are going to do what they want, you cant force them because they either find a work around or simply leave. 

I really think you are trolling the entire forums with this. Absolutely disagree with everything you said and I have yet to find anyone that would think you are even remotely serious with this.
 
On a positive note, thanks for playing thousands of hours.

I really think you are trolling the entire forums with this. Absolutely disagree with everything you said and I have yet to find anyone that would think you are even remotely serious with this.
 
On a positive note, thanks for playing thousands of hours.

Wait? Huh? Not sure who you guys are but this doesnt make much sense. DU also is not a survival game. My goto game is a survival game and it actually has survival elements. I for one do not want DU to become a survival game, there are way better ones that DU will never surpass. 
 
I also dont agree that everyone should NOT be able to build anything they want. You should be able to make everything however, doing that takes time, RL time that is scarce and I simply could not devote the time needed to do everything so that is why I go to the markets. Plus I'd rather buy at a discount then make everything but the issue is allowing something doesnt mean that everyone will choose that course.
 
Real life example - I CAN sail around the world however it takes to long so I'd rather fly. The creators allowed me to sail but instead of making me fly, they let me decide and since my time is scarce, I choose what they were going for anyway but I still have options and can sail and or fly when I want to. See the difference now?

Wait? Huh? Not sure who you guys are but this doesnt make much sense. DU also is not a survival game. My goto game is a survival game and it actually has survival elements. I for one do not want DU to become a survival game, there are way better ones that DU will never surpass. 
 
I also dont agree that everyone should NOT be able to build anything they want. You should be able to make everything however, doing that takes time, RL time that is scarce and I simply could not devote the time needed to do everything so that is why I go to the markets. Plus I'd rather buy at a discount then make everything but the issue is allowing something doesnt mean that everyone will choose that course.
 
Real life example - I CAN sail around the world however it takes to long so I'd rather fly. The creators allowed me to sail but instead of making me fly, they let me decide and since my time is scarce, I choose what they were going for anyway but I still have options and can sail and or fly when I want to. See the difference now?

This reminded me of a point because this "war" on solo playing is very disruptive because the truth is, playing solo happens even when you are in an org. So many times I am on the phone or multi tasking and cant be on comms with an org. Reality has a way to force you to be solo sometimes or when you dont have long to play, you do so without an org. I fear we are taking a very narrow view of what a MMO should be. People are going to do what they want, you cant force them because they either find a work around or simply leave. 

If been contemplating what the player cycle will be in the situation that we have found ourselves in. Do players really quit forever or just until a major update comes along and they buy a month sub and jump in and try again? If the water is still cold, jump back out until the next big update months down the road? I left and came back to eve many many times. Each time with a huge gap in between, I found new playstyles and content to enjoy. I dont thinknthe question is if players will quit and never come back or not, the question is, how much does this all hurt the business case for NQ? 

Agreed it is sad. In my 20+ years of gaming and MMOs, never has a heartbreaking of an update ever hit until 0.23. It is a paralyzing update and there is more fun elsewhere know but I still have hopes......hopefully realized in due time.

Wait? Huh? Not sure who you guys are but this doesnt make much sense. DU also is not a survival game. My goto game is a survival game and it actually has survival elements. I for one do not want DU to become a survival game, there are way better ones that DU will never surpass. 
 
I also dont agree that everyone should NOT be able to build anything they want. You should be able to make everything however, doing that takes time, RL time that is scarce and I simply could not devote the time needed to do everything so that is why I go to the markets. Plus I'd rather buy at a discount then make everything but the issue is allowing something doesnt mean that everyone will choose that course.
 
Real life example - I CAN sail around the world however it takes to long so I'd rather fly. The creators allowed me to sail but instead of making me fly, they let me decide and since my time is scarce, I choose what they were going for anyway but I still have options and can sail and or fly when I want to. See the difference now?

I have always enjoyed this story and it does provide an interesting backdrop when you overlay the development of DU on it. I do wonder though if this is truly reality or just our perception of how NQ operates. Is this community aware of the inner workings of NQ and what their development processes like look? Is there a mechanism that creats a driving function that allows the community to insert their will and direction directly into the NQ machine? Some companies do have this mechanism where the "survivors" of a game heavily dictate the direction and prioritization of a game. The NQ upvote may just be a simple query into the player base that has not implications into their their long term vision for DU. Until NQ releases a formal structure and process (aka governance) into how these potential mechanics work, we really wont know. For now, I suggest to players to enjoy the parts of the game that are enjoyable and put off engaging in the broken areas until NQ has resources (i.e. time) to address them. There is plenty of fun to be had and I find myself wanting to play more if only I had more time to be in game. 

I do understand that a promise made should be a promise kept however, I wouldn't be too upset since this game is extremely cheap relative to MMOs over the past 20 years. DU should be $14 a month and not a measly $7 and the game should be atleast $25 up front instead of free. Keep in mind that a free month lost is the cost of one pizza. Just think, that month that might not come back to the player base is more capital for NQ to invest in servers and other improvements. 

I really dont understand why some people are so negative concerning a wipe. Beta testing involves alot of balancing espically after significant content additions and if some of that rebalancing is significant enough, only a wipe restores the intent moving forward. I'm not leaning either direction but in beta, I would not rule it out. I want this game that I have been following for years to last for a decade plus. Just because we are paying a sub, I dont think we are entitled to never realizing a wipe.

I contacted NQ and this was their response:
 
The reason that you are unable to log in right now is that there is a server maintenance on-going for approximately 2 to 3 hours. If you are still unable to log in after the maintenance, please let us know at once so that we can provide you assistance.
 
I also asked where to access this information and again their response:
 
Yes, the schedule of the server maintenance was posted on the NQ Discord Channel under the announcements tab. After the maintenance, patch notes will be posted there as well, so please take the time to check it later.
 

I really dont understand why some people are so negative concerning a wipe. Beta testing involves alot of balancing espically after significant content additions and if some of that rebalancing is significant enough, only a wipe restores the intent moving forward. I'm not leaning either direction but in beta, I would not rule it out. I want this game that I have been following for years to last for a decade plus. Just because we are paying a sub, I dont think we are entitled to never realizing a wipe.