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Rebuilding Helios will be easier with our enhanced Blueprint Deployment Tools.
 
bptoolv3.mp4  
You can omit any element, swap missing honeycomb, and soon after launch, snap blueprints to deployed cores.
 
What will you build first, Novean?

I managed to get a response from NQ and they said that BP's will stay with the character.
 
I'm going to take their info on this one instead of yours if thats ok this time.   Based on what you are saying the game might not even launch on 27th September, so going with that kind of mindset is pretty self defeating.

Ok - just have to get this off my chest:   I liked the game a LOT more at 0.22.  I thought replacing the mining approach was ok - until I saw someone with 80+ mining units in a single segment.  That does NOT look exciting.  Shields are cool, will give them that.  Emphasis on PVP when the rest of the game is in such bad shape was annoying.
 
Don't know how, but honestly feel they need to stop (perhaps in 3-6 months when players drop?), go back to the original premise of a player driven sandbox, and abolish the trend of "Its a sandbox, you can play it anyway you want... so long as we agree with your approach.  If you don't, we will force you to agree to our approach."

How exactly do you envisage this? Everyone talks about how much potential the game has. The game had potential two years ago. The game had potential 4 years ago too. It also had potential when it was introduced on KS in 2016.
 
But now comes my question. We are going into release next month - when is the potential going to be realised in this game that was in development for 8 years?
 
I can't tell a new player that things are good that are not good or missing. About missing features, about things that don't work and a feature that was completely changed, that you can't do planetary mining anymore but have to use mining units.
 
There are so many indicators, just the fact that you didn't see any advertising (or scenes in trailers that don't take place like that), that the Twitch statistics have dropped rapidly (the game is currently at 28 average viewers, that once was at 1000 in August 2020, with every week falling, I had recorded somewhere in the forum here how the case was), that cost-cutting was worked on, that a new CEO was suddenly there - attention, the community had first found out that he was the new one, before NQ said anything. 
 
Furthermore, employees in key positions quickly resigned (example: former CCP Technical Director Högni Gylfason as CTO who left after less than a year), which can be seen in the public profiles on LinkedIn. And I don't even want to talk about false promises and information, bad or no communication of the developers in the last years, which the players have already experienced since the beta in August 2020.
 
And I go back to my original question:
How do you imagine that I can enthuse a new player for this game after this text? Especially with the argument that this person has to sign up for a subscription in order to continue playing.
 
Why shouldn't that person rather play World of Warcraft Wrath of the Lich King Classic on 26 September?
 
I would describe the game as follows: It's Landmark in space. The "millions of players" it has always talked about are not there. And it doesn't even manage to show 50 players in one place.
 
But in the end, everyone has the opportunity to play the game for 2 weeks at release. Then everyone will decide for themselves how long they want to stay with it. It can be assumed that many will be there for the first 2 months, as with any other mmorpg.
 
But it will be interesting to see what happens after these 2 months.

Astute observation.

thanks for the answer. Though now it makes less sense for "gratitude for players support" reward and looks more like "last cash grab" type 😄

as far as i know an alpha is where they add all the features and a beta is the testing, balancing and polishing phase?  They went into 'beta' not feature complete and are about to launch without the features tested and polished?  not sure what to say..
 
Anyway... i get blasted for sharing my views on this.. so going to end it here.. thank you for being civil... its more than i get from the DU discord.  
 
You know....its sounds trivial but all I really wanted from this 'debate' was an acceptance that yes its about the cash....instead I had people talking to me like this was always the plan... maybe im a bit OCD... like many others ive put a lot of time into DU and to be degraded into nothing (i get a lot of 'if you don't like it leave') is a hard pill to swallow.

Funny, you mentioning redundant assets caused me to stumble into visualizing the current schematic system acting like sensor for your factory.  If you're not in the factory checking on it then it shuts itself down.  You can set the timer longer by feeding the schematic bank but you have to keep resetting that timer.  By doing that it prevents inactive players from leaving the lights on.
 
NQ has heavily referenced Eve Online, meaning SP are 'important' but kinda not so I don't see the SP bonus being a problem.  The beaters (yay, another SAO reference!) already have multiple advantages even at zero SP.  At the same time, even with the wipe having a dedicated base of experienced players with more SP will likely have more positive impact on the game than not.

Oh I didn't  think you were disagreeing with me (it's ok if you do by the way!) ...sorry I was talking generally about what I had been trying to get out of the debate...the discussion with you has been a very welcome change.
 
I hope the game survives..I had hoped to go into launch not feeling so bitter about the game but if they manage to make a success of it then it will have been worth it.

as far as i know an alpha is where they add all the features and a beta is the testing, balancing and polishing phase?  They went into 'beta' not feature complete and are about to launch without the features tested and polished?  not sure what to say..
 
Anyway... i get blasted for sharing my views on this.. so going to end it here.. thank you for being civil... its more than i get from the DU discord.  
 
You know....its sounds trivial but all I really wanted from this 'debate' was an acceptance that yes its about the cash....instead I had people talking to me like this was always the plan... maybe im a bit OCD... like many others ive put a lot of time into DU and to be degraded into nothing (i get a lot of 'if you don't like it leave') is a hard pill to swallow.

as far as i know an alpha is where they add all the features and a beta is the testing, balancing and polishing phase?  They went into 'beta' not feature complete and are about to launch without the features tested and polished?  not sure what to say..
 
Anyway... i get blasted for sharing my views on this.. so going to end it here.. thank you for being civil... its more than i get from the DU discord.  
 
You know....its sounds trivial but all I really wanted from this 'debate' was an acceptance that yes its about the cash....instead I had people talking to me like this was always the plan... maybe im a bit OCD... like many others ive put a lot of time into DU and to be degraded into nothing (i get a lot of 'if you don't like it leave') is a hard pill to swallow.

I understand how it works... As i have an alpha account i dont have an active sub... so for me to continue as i have been for the last 2+ years I have to give them 2 x 13 months of sub.  I can't do that... so i'll sub my main, and that character will get the rare pack and i'll have to accept the downgrade.. as for my alt, he used the beta key from my alpha pack... so is locked behind a pay wall unless i want to pay 13 months in advance.  
 
My point is that im very happy to pay for 2 monthly subs.... but thats not good enough for NQ.. they want me to pre-pay for 13 months to get as much back as i already had as possible.

Oh i agree with you.  They have been cutting costs and trying to make the game financially viable for ages.. now they are forced to release despite the game not being ready.  The things i have a problem with is hidding that behind a 'reward' and the loads of people in this community defending it.
 
loads of people played and helped build this game for 2+ years... they will have all of their stuff deleted and then handed back based on how much they pay.... i know you get it....i understand it's a business.... but when people defend and pretend its not a thing i find it triggering.  NQ dont want long term (more than 13 months) subs.... they want short term money... that should worry people..

The game is not feature complete therefore its not ready.  PVP is a shadow of what it was meant to be.  Most game mechanics are implemented at a very basic level.  Its not even beta at this moment.  
 
As for putting your money where your mouth is, that's not what this is about for me. for me it is a total disagreement with the practise of taking away everyones TP's (which was NEVER talked about before or even hinted at and please don't use the 'its a beta' argument...DU had bypassed the traditional alpha and beta rules) and then giving it back based on cash spent.  NOWHERE in the game was that ever mentioned as a possibility.  
 
Im not talking about what people are comfortable with or happy to accept.... im talking about the principle.  You agree above that its a financially motivated move..  thats all i have been saying... If some are happy with it great!!!  but it means I lose one of my alts and NQ lose a sub, no big deal to them.... i can't spare the cash to sub for 26 months between 2 accounts, so im glad you can, but for the rest of us we get screwed.  simple as that.

The game is not feature complete therefore its not ready.  PVP is a shadow of what it was meant to be.  Most game mechanics are implemented at a very basic level.  Its not even beta at this moment.  
 
As for putting your money where your mouth is, that's not what this is about for me. for me it is a total disagreement with the practise of taking away everyones TP's (which was NEVER talked about before or even hinted at and please don't use the 'its a beta' argument...DU had bypassed the traditional alpha and beta rules) and then giving it back based on cash spent.  NOWHERE in the game was that ever mentioned as a possibility.  
 
Im not talking about what people are comfortable with or happy to accept.... im talking about the principle.  You agree above that its a financially motivated move..  thats all i have been saying... If some are happy with it great!!!  but it means I lose one of my alts and NQ lose a sub, no big deal to them.... i can't spare the cash to sub for 26 months between 2 accounts, so im glad you can, but for the rest of us we get screwed.  simple as that.

Good question. I just wanted to make sure you had the option to.

This was the part that broke the camels back for me. Never did I think that they would wipe the *only* thing that is of real value on an account, something that can't be restored other than waiting for another ~year real time, depending on if you get the pioneer packs or not. And yeah, the pioneer packs are nothing but a money grab for some extra revenue on release - you don't pay for rewards.
 
I'll play post-wipe, but NQ lost so much goodwill with this move.

Hearing the news of the broken promise that the reset will happen infuriated me. I really hated NQ for it. Not people personally by the way. Why hate? because like many others I have invested thousands of hours in this game. At least 87 million talent points and loads of stuff and quanta that I worked hard to get without cheats or using exploits. Invested a lot of quanta in blueprint copies that will be gone after the reset. I feel NQ has stolen our time and our love for the things we created.
I really had so much stuff, my underground warehouse has more than 100 expanded containers XL and more than 150 containers L filled to the rim will elements, pures, ores, products, half-products, cores, fuels and what not. And there was another warehouse, maybe with half the capacity as the first one. I'm also extremely pissed that I will loose my territories. Especially the territories where I mined for Tier 5 ores. Endless searching for the T5 ore deposits... The loss of ships is also what I'm angry about, especially the large one I was building and I won't be able to finish it soon. I has all rare military stuff on it and a lot of hours of voxelmancy, so I won't be able to restart with building it in 2024 maybe... There are ships that were abandoned which needed a lot of rework to make them the way I like them. They will be gone forever because they were initially built by another player who might not return after the reset. No core blueprints on those. Lost labour and love for these ships.
 
Now I know this is just a game for many people, but for some (like me) this is a game I really wanted and I waited for ages until it arrived. Real life sucks so much for some (like me) that living in this virtual world makes real life worth living again. This sounds serious and to some of you maybe pathetic, but those people don't know how real life can be hell. So DU is part of my life and yeah I know it is pretty sad.
 
So rebuilding my virtual life... it all means grinding to get quanta, an enormous amount of elements and an incredible amount of honeycomb that are in our builds and in the core blueprints. To rebuild it we will not be needing our creativity, but me personally I will have to grind for atleast a year to bring everything back that I will loose. I am not gonna do that... Do I even have the courage to put in the time and effort and risk another wipe in 2023 or in 2024? I don't know. I sort of like the idea of starting over, not bothering to become rich like I was, but purely playing DU to be creative. Sort of retire but still live in Helios. But at this point I'm still really numb and I will see how this goes. Day by day. They might say this will be the last wipe. Don't think I will ever believe you again, NQ. You betrayed our trust when you discarded the promise not to wipe again. I apologize for the long and possibly boring rant. I hope DU will survive, but if it doesn't because of the wipe... don't blame us veterans who turned this virtual world into a vibrant creation. Which was built by the players... but potentially destroyed by the makers...

Ya, I mean I accepted the risk backing in alpha.  But it really has been a bait and switch. And they dont even have the gall to look us in the eye and say "ya our server tech didnt perform how we wanted and this is what its gotta be" but continue on this bullshit path.  WE backed a game that was suppose to be heavily in PVP and PLAYER DRIVEN.  Its not player driven with alphelia, bots, and safe zones.  This is some broke ass theme park mascaraing around as some "revolutionary mmo technology".   Remove safe zones, put some better tools in place. Make a better radar system. Expand how orgs are ran and how they can utilize planets/moons to form nations.  Let the players figure the rest out. 

Yeah the Backers who paid more than the subscribers are now being screwed for gambling on a product that may never have existed if it was not for the backers.
 
Makes you so proud to be a backer, knowing NQ think you are worthless compared to a subscriber. 

Knee jerk every time I read this.  Backers didn't "play for free", they played based on a one-time fee.  Think I was in it for $175 (ish) - the most I've ever invested in a game that wasn't playable at the time.  Now, I admit, I'll get DACs for that - maybe.  Perhaps will find out tomorrow - but they were silent around DACs.  And I did get to play alpha and beta for a lot longer than anyone (except perhaps Blazemonger) predicted.  But it sure didn't feel like "free".

Seemingly several people here disagree with me - which is fine, as I invited you all to do so 🙂
 
I played daily since beta, used the discord daily (I ignored the forums as the cess-pool that they generally are - present company excepted ofc!), and only heard about it when it was over. My 60+ member Org had no clue either. Most players I spoke to were non the wiser either. Of course this is circumstantial and easy to counter with "all my friends knew about it".
 
But most people did not, and all "evidence" to the contrary won't change that.
 
Anyway, this discussion is just going in circles, so please enjoy your deleted thoramine, and I hope you give it a fond farewell while you can
 

its pretty bad that as a thank you for being a contributor and long term supporter of the game they gate contributor backers behind a pay wall.  In fact, its not possible for a contributor backer to get the exotic pack as its not possible to buy 13 months game time...
 
Why NQ thought this was a good idea is beyond me.  Contributor backers will always be 6m TP behind as a result.  Some people say it doesnt matter, but in the early game, the first couple of years, it does, especially as a builder that sells ships with boosts. 
 
The whole wipe fiasco was bad enough.... only NQ have the unique skill set required to make that even worse...

totally agree.   They are so desperate to get long subs in at launch that they are burning subs at the same time.  I had 2 accounts I wanted to sub, but to not be screwed for 6m TP i need to sub both of those for 13 months...Thats 26 months of sub time in advance or forever be worst off on TP's.... I know its not a massive amount, but im a very principle driven person.  I'd forever feel like my contribution wasn't good enough and worth less than a new beta player that subbed.(and like many others i've built a LOT of assets for DU).  I just can't do it so i won't be continuing with DU at all if this happens.  
 
I appreciate they don't care about my 2 subs....but its all I can do.

Basically DU is a grinding game. You invest your time to achieve progression. NQ promised that under all circumstances that investment would be persistent. That's why most of us invested so much time in it.
By breaking that promise, i lost my trust and probably won't do that investment of my time again. I don't even know how many thousand hours i spent to progress.
The reasons they state for this being a must, are weak. Honestly, i don't care if any "exploited" stuff that people gained stays in the game or not. there will always be a lot of players with more Quanta or other possessions in the game. In the end that is NQ's problem. If they did not act with a small rollback after accidentally giving away Warp Beacon Schematics for a way too low price.
And if people used lots of alt accounts to make money with the missions, i would say. clever.. they invested their time into that game mechanic when it was possible and made a fortune.
I personally did not benefit from any of those Exploits and have never been a mission runner. So why should all players be punished for that? Just because there is too much quanta or elements in the game? Come on NQ there are enough possibilities to resolve that.
The way they are doing the reset, is in my opion just a desperate attempt to make money with new player subscriptions,by giving the max "bonus" to anyone who now invests fresh money into  the game. And by doing that they accept the risk that a majority of senior players will just quit.(financially not a huge loss for NQ with available  DACs for a lot of those senior players.)

If they want to give new players a fairer chance for fast progression without having to compare themselves to senior players.. Just create a 2nd system, make it extremely expensive (energy or time consuming)  to transport mass there and have a new different currency there. problem solved without breaking promises. New players could spawn there if they want and build up that system.
Senior Players could travel there accepting the price and knowing that their Quanta would be more or less worthless there.