Novean-32184 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 For me, on Alioth literally all tiles at 180-430/h+ for Coal and 40-80L/h for the other three T1 ores and I have yet to find any highr tier ores I'm actually putting the results in a spreadsheet and it's amazing how close all results per ore are.. It's almost like someone did not properly set the RNG calculation for ores.. But NQ would check these results before pushing a patch now would they.. right?? they would right?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxim Kammerer Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 They are random, but only on large scale. Nearby tiles have similar values. These are my results for random unclaimed tiles in steps of around 10 km on Demeter-Day: Coal Hematite Quartz Bauxite Malachite 47 98 72 323 0 39 89 71 350 0 35 103 65 345 0 30 94 65 366 0 27 109 60 357 0 158 58 165 123 0 260 35 217 25 0 108 103 228 72 0 96 73 21 365 5 177 89 239 19 0 31 41 147 326 0 74 107 44 311 0 51 180 17 291 0 172 361 4 25 0 206 358 2 1 0 411 116 22 25 0 88 210 82 128 0 145 206 35 126 0 13 178 35 323 0 27 179 122 186 0 214 54 66 182 0 195 99 194 18 0 306 163 48 24 0 29 497 43 37 0 28 495 70 13 0 60 466 60 8 0 The problem is not the general distribution of T1 ore but the distribution of T2 ore between claimed and free tiles. If my scans are half-way representative than most tiles with significant amounts of T2 were claimed from the beginning and will remain claimed (not only on Alioth but also on Madis). That means that the algorithm is not completely random but either dependend on the original ore distribution or (even worse) on the ownership of tiles. This is another bad news for new players. They will need to buy T2+ ores from established players until they can compete with them in PvP space (that means most probably never). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novean-32184 Posted December 13, 2021 Author Share Posted December 13, 2021 Well.. here's mine.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warlander Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 5 hours ago, Jake Arver said: For me, on Alioth literally all tiles at 180-430/h+ for Coal and 40-80L/h for the other three T1 ores and I have yet to find any highr tier ores I'm actually putting the results in a spreadsheet and it's amazing how close all results per ore are.. It's almost like someone did not properly set the RNG calculation for ores.. But NQ would check these results before pushing a patch now would they.. right?? they would right?? The funny part is that players have built a pipeline where you can take scans and port them to discord and a 3rd party option of grabbing that data and blowing it into a better planetary ui of scans. Its scripts like this or the DU stock market, asteroid tracker, auto pilot, and just better soloutions that exists that NQ should really start adding to the game since players have built much better systems and does NQ really know what is going on in their game since at any time they like they could add them into the game as standard features or buy the scripts and improve them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Physics Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Are you not jumping tiles between scanner drop? Some areas are huge so bigger jumps are needed. T4-5 areas are only about 3-4 tiles wide tho so only need to jump 3 tiles each time so you don’t accidentally jump over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underhook Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 8 hours ago, Maxim Kammerer said: They are random, but only on large scale. Nearby tiles have similar values. These are my results for random unclaimed tiles in steps of around 10 km on Demeter-Day: Coal Hematite Quartz Bauxite Malachite 47 98 72 323 0 39 89 71 350 0 35 103 65 345 0 30 94 65 366 0 27 109 60 357 0 158 58 165 123 0 260 35 217 25 0 108 103 228 72 0 96 73 21 365 5 177 89 239 19 0 31 41 147 326 0 74 107 44 311 0 51 180 17 291 0 172 361 4 25 0 206 358 2 1 0 411 116 22 25 0 88 210 82 128 0 145 206 35 126 0 13 178 35 323 0 27 179 122 186 0 214 54 66 182 0 195 99 194 18 0 306 163 48 24 0 29 497 43 37 0 28 495 70 13 0 60 466 60 8 0 The problem is not the general distribution of T1 ore but the distribution of T2 ore between claimed and free tiles. If my scans are half-way representative than most tiles with significant amounts of T2 were claimed from the beginning and will remain claimed (not only on Alioth but also on Madis). That means that the algorithm is not completely random but either dependend on the original ore distribution or (even worse) on the ownership of tiles. This is another bad news for new players. They will need to buy T2+ ores from established players until they can compete with them in PvP space (that means most probably never). I dont have any scans for Alioth. I went straight to Symeon and Ion. Its a similar situation with T4 & T5 ore on the outer planets. I did over 130 scans. As far as I can tell all the peak T4 & T5 sites were gone within a few days. I settled for a 1 T4 and 1 T5 site that were a couple of hex away from the already claimed peak (and adjacent's). I note that on Symeon the T4 hex I claimed is now completely surrounded by claims. I guess every scrap of T4 in that location is now claimed. This wont really matter to new players but those who reach midpoint may simply not have access to any T4 or T5 ore. The only way I can see around this issue is if the ore distribution changes over time. So, for example after 12 months the coal runs out but it reveals chromite which was previously shielded from scans by the coal. Likewise a T5 or might decrease/disappear or increase over time. I'm not sure what BS lore reason we could find for it but it would prevent all the higher tier ore being locked up. A random event that might even create some game play ..... asteroids crash into planets, leaving deposits of random ore. These hex can be claimed and mined with MU as usual. Maybe even the asteroids can be tracked ahead of time and their possible crash location calculated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight-Sevy Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 7 hours ago, Underhook said: I dont have any scans for Alioth. I went straight to Symeon and Ion. Its a similar situation with T4 & T5 ore on the outer planets. I did over 130 scans. As far as I can tell all the peak T4 & T5 sites were gone within a few days. I settled for a 1 T4 and 1 T5 site that were a couple of hex away from the already claimed peak (and adjacent's). I note that on Symeon the T4 hex I claimed is now completely surrounded by claims. I guess every scrap of T4 in that location is now claimed. This wont really matter to new players but those who reach midpoint may simply not have access to any T4 or T5 ore. The only way I can see around this issue is if the ore distribution changes over time. So, for example after 12 months the coal runs out but it reveals chromite which was previously shielded from scans by the coal. Likewise a T5 or might decrease/disappear or increase over time. I'm not sure what BS lore reason we could find for it but it would prevent all the higher tier ore being locked up. A random event that might even create some game play ..... asteroids crash into planets, leaving deposits of random ore. These hex can be claimed and mined with MU as usual. Maybe even the asteroids can be tracked ahead of time and their possible crash location calculated? Let's keep hope for PvP on the outer rim planets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxim Kammerer Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 7 hours ago, Underhook said: The only way I can see around this issue is if the ore distribution changes over time. But we know that's not the NQ spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shredder Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 (edited) I scanned 300 tiles on the moon I’m on. We only found t1. The only tiles that had t2 were the 10 territories I already owned….. which seems like too much of a coincidence to me…. Something is badly wrong with the ore distribution if it’s prioritising existing bases. I spread my scans out with gaps of 4 territories in between. Must’ve covered around 15% of the moon. Edited December 14, 2021 by Shredder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underhook Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 3 hours ago, Shredder said: I scanned 300 tiles on the moon I’m on. We only found t1. The only tiles that had t2 were the 10 territories I already owned….. which seems like too much of a coincidence to me…. Something is badly wrong with the ore distribution if it’s prioritising existing bases. I spread my scans out with gaps of 4 territories in between. Must’ve covered around 15% of the moon. Just for balance sake. I had 17 territories when Demeter hit. Not a single one of them had anything other than the lowest tier ore possible and none worth an MU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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