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So organizations in this game can own assets such as tiles and constructs, but what happens in the event of dissolution? Who are the individuals that are entitled to those assets? Let's say that there will be no liquidation since you have to find a buyer to sell something to liquidate something, who are the legal owners of the property according to the game now that the company is dissolved? Is there any legal framework in the game to settle these claims or it is all up to the parties?
If this is so hard to resolve, then the company must find a buyer to liquidate it's properties and split the cash accordingly to the claimants under it's own MOUs (since there is no legal resolution) before the dissolution of the company. Without liquidation, how the f*ck do you settle the ownership of the assets?
Since this game lack laws, the players should create them in the form of bilateral/multilateral agreement of parties called MOU (memorandum of understanding). It is not legally enforceable, but it is a proof of agreement (a vouching system). I don't meant to rant, but a lot of people in this game call themselves a "lawyer" or "attorney this or that". They are useless traditional politicians who can't do anything tangible! How about you help solve the problem instead of politicking? If you want to make this a profession, then how about you help your client with their rights? They have no rights unless it can be backed with documents pertaining to the agreement. How about you help craft these documents? This game is all politics with retarded masses and candidates! People here don't know how to negotiate, how to document an agreement, how to keep a record of financial activities, how to review these records intuitively as a shareholder, how to manage their personal finances. Nothing, it is all dictatorship!
You can't manage an org if politics always get's in the way of things! People here don't even assert themselves, they just support their patron! No wonder I'm soloing this game!
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On 5/31/2021 at 1:54 PM, Wolfram said:
suspension for the ship when they are in contact with the ground
Btw, aircraft's landing gear in real-life is called an "oleo strut". "Oleo" means it is pneumatic (it uses air). So what you have is something like an actuator (an outer cylinder and a piston called an inner cylinder that fits inside it. both are held together by the scissor-link). The cylinder is divided by the orifice into 2 sections: upper chamber which is serviced with nitrogen (because it is the least corrosive) and lower chamber which is serviced with petroleum-based hydraulic fluid called mil-h-5606 which is the standard (when you have to lube that piston, you must use 5606 as well, nothing else). This is what they use to cushion the impact of landing (pressurized air, not a spring coil like in a car). A spring coil bounces, dampening the air slowly from the compression of the actuator from landing does not cause bouncing and it absorbs the energy of landing.
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We have 1 integrated market economy in this game without any protectionism which is the game itself. My question to the politicians in this game: is a government even required if the game itself functions? We don't need these b*ll sh*t! Organizations must be structured for private sector (profit-based and non-profit based) instead!
There is just too much dictatorship and corruption in this game and that of Eve Online! And look, we are talking about economy! Wow!
Ofcourse in order to achieve great things, you have to work with others. If that is the case, then you need an equitable system first. It will be done through contract (what you get is what you negotiate). It is like people here don't know how to negotiate! They just join an organization and contribute to that organization like a slave without negotiating anything for their rights/entitlement! And if you are going to deal with something such as inventory (tangible assets) and finance of an organization, where is the accountability and records for these things for an equitable system to work and eliminate corruption/theft? Another thing, do you people even audit/dispute these things as a shareholder?
If you can't solve these things, then you will solo the game and that isn't a good experience!
And economically speaking, we need a developed text-based in-game chat system which is vital for commerce!
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What we have in Dual Universe (and that in Eve Online) is a feudal economy. Sure, it is a sandbox, but people here have no understanding and no framework of democracy.
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Exactly! An economy doesn't work without a stable government! Just look at this game and similar games like Eve Online -- all organizations are authoritarian, communist/socialist. Why and how? Because they don't know any other system and they don't know how real-life politics work! Without understanding of the examples, how can you structure and manage a government that is different than a centralized and physically-planned one? I've been saying this again and again -- this is a communist game!
Where is the separation of power in the government? You don't have the concept of executive, legislative, and judicial branches of government! What you have is a corrupt and absolute dictator that is directing the economic activity of the organization! You don't need and you don't require a judicial system and law? I'm an investor/entrepreneur in real-life and I have no confidence doing business if the system is a piece of trash like every single organization in this game! Without a system of law, everything is relinquished to the dictator! And you expect me to invest on this?
Where is the election also? You expect me to invest on a dictatorship system? You expect me to patronage your corrupt and absolute politicians? What you have is a "patron system" similar to that in Latin American countries or "feudalism" prior to that of Western imperialism, which is similar! No executive leaders to vote for a limited term, no representatives to vote for a limited term, and no supreme court, may it be federal or unitary form of government! You call Xi Jinping the "new emperor of People's Republic of China" when he is elected in the first place? Look who is sh*t talking here! People's Republic of China is a democracy even if it has a single party system! Look at the US and Canada: do they not have a 2-party system only? And look at the reformist politicians, they were never elected ever! The US is a sh*t hole, I'm sorry to tell you this! Look at the GINI of the US, it is an oligarchic country where Wall Street and Silicon Valley just bribes the congress! And look at the billionaires and successful people there: they are all white! Talk about systemic racism! You have all these domestic problems and where are you looking at? You are blaming China for your economic failure? The success of China is because of you in the first place! Who outsourced the manufacturing? It is because of you so don't complain sh*t! China is not an absolute dictatorship otherwise it wouldn't have what it has today -- a successful economy, and certainly better human rights! What do you think? That they are shooting people for the economy to function?
I've talked and I've already talked: a patron system/feudal system is all this game can ever have when people do not understand a democratic system such as China which is not by the way a communist country! China has a single party, do we not get anything in the US but these democrat and republican bull sh*t and never a reformist because it will compromise the stability and security of this oligarchic country? It's the same and it's been the same ever since, I'm telling you! And the congress? It will just take bribes from the upper class! Remember that the congress is more powerful than the president in terms of passing a bill/reform (what the president does is sign the bill after it has gone through the legislative process).
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You wanna know what lighting elements are for? To bring illumination on areas that are dark! In other words, to make the surrounding more visible in terms of details! Darkness is the absence of light!
What is the point of the lighting elements? If the night is brighter than the moon, you don't need these elements! You don't! They have no purpose, they are just decorations like many things, I am telling you as a mechanical person!
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20 minutes ago, joaocordeiro said:
But i wander what would happen if 10k players got together in the same place and screamed.
I said this before and I will say it again: why don't we go with something that is already proven to work? How about a local in-game chat via keyboard? You people want a flight-stick, it doesn't f*cking work! How about the mechanical push-and-pull? It's mechanical, where is the brain people? Everybody has a keyboard, it is more redundant! Keyboard man! Instead of shoes or sandals to help you walk, you people are proposing rollerblades to be the trend. How about we go with something that is a keyboard which is the most redundant thing? What is wrong with you people?
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If the mechanics of passive income is there, I take it!
Add that mining unit and I will be sleeping my way in this game!
You wanna know what that 100k per account is? It is a government's financial assistance. It is one of those social programs! It is entitlement! Instead of subsidizing sh*t (subsidizing industries that create jobs), you go with the Latin American model of entitling the poor! You don't know how to run the economy! Give me 700K a day from 7 accounts (let's call it 6 children) and I ain't working my a*s! I ain't working at all! You're already paying my bills! NQ is turning this game into Latin America! (not to be racist or anything, I need to make a reference to a stupid government). They might as well call this game "Ayuda Universe" since they have no intention of removing this mechanics where everybody here is in government payroll lol! Just my suggestion! *sarcasm
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The rich do not need to work (in fact they do not work), regardless they are working or not (most probably they are not. why would they? it's not productive of their time!); the poor do need to work, regardless they are working now or unemployed (everyone has to eat).
Rich do not work, the poor works!
If you can take the passive income, you take the passive income! The problem in real-life is people do not know how to delegate the work, how to minimize the work, and how to leverage OPM (debt or whatever financing). A company has an asset. Asset is equity and liability (only a fool will use 100% equity). You have some liquidity to run the business (you better not run out of liquidity!). The business and it's asset will generate revenue (this will replenish--or increase your liquidity if your spending is a surplus). With income, you will make a payment on your debt, and over time, your liability and equity will separate (you are becoming richer!).
Are you paying for the debt? If you are, then it's bad debt (just like your mortgage. you call that an investment when it's not an income-generating asset?); if the debt is paying for the debt, then it's good debt! That is called leveraging a debt!
This opportunity is hard to make in real-life! Make this easily available in the game and I ain't working! I don't like to work!
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Galvanized steel is steel that is galvanized or zinc-ed. Galvanization is a process of coating steel surface with zinc through hot-dipping to make it more resistant against rusting. You will use such steel type on conditions that require it. For example, a street sign: outside, it rains and that sign will eventually rust if it doesn't have such a coating. You coat the steel to increase it's service life, that's all. Galvanized steel is supposed to look like that unpainted.
The only thing unrealistic is you still see the galvanization on colored galvanized steels in this game. I mean if you painted it, you wouldn't see the galvanization anymore but the paint on the surface.
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Another thread about "what about my stuff?" on a game that is about to go!
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Looking at the situation of this game, all you remaining hardcores can think about is "but... what about my stuff?"? It is like the world is at war, an ICBM is about to hit the city, and all you can think about is your gold in the safe? How about we all agree to a f***ing wipe (including the talent) since this game has been released in such a condition that it shouldn't have been released? Save the game, save yourself, not save your gold! This is the f***ing problem with you people: you are in an Indiana Jones movie, there is a cave full of gold that your team have discovered, the cave is about to collapse and you want to remain there until your death because you couldn't let go of the gold! Fix the f***ing game, wipe it, and let us all restart in an equal foot! This isn't f***ing Lord of the Rings man! You people have been consumed by the ring, succumbed by it's power! Get real with yourself man! You people are full of joke! Talk all you want OK, the f***ing game is about to go!
Look at this idiot! Despicable!
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15 hours ago, blazemonger said:
As I've said many times, I do believe in the potential and promise of DU but have my doubts whether NQ, under the then current leadership, would be able to deliver on that.
Lol, the VC will manage this startup instead? They are investors and they invest on the ability of the entrepreneurs (the founders) to grow the startup. Now that these entrepreneurs resigned, what could it mean? I've read this many times, it's the same situation. I said this before: they won't receive a round B in this kind of condition, it will be a deficit for them.
I'll be seeing you in Starbase! ? 'Till then!
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When a startup company's co-founders (the entrepreneurs) have resigned, what could it mean? They already concluded and came to the agreement that this is a failed startup and is about to go on liquidation of assets and end of service. This new chairman will be tasked of this liquidation and return as much as it can possibly return to the investors (LPs) from this loss. Since this is a failed startup, they didn't made it to a successful exit via IPO or acquisition. What they are going to do instead is close this business, minimize their financial loss by liquidating whatever they can liquidate (selling the tech, etc.), and settle what they have to settle (if they have something to settle financially like personal debt and/or limited liable debt).
VC is a firm that get's paid to manage the portfolio of it's LPs (the investors). VC has a diversified high-risk investments. Most of these investments are expected to fail like what happened to NQ but they get it back from the high returns of successful ones. This is about the overall portfolio performance. VC makes a lot of money even from bad performance as they are not the investors (the loss is to the LPs).
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5 hours ago, Shaman said:
VC would be nice
You people are so old lol!
VC is not good enough man. it is not "redundant", to put it in my words.
Analogy: electrification of aircraft
You want "high-tech", as in fly-by-wire control and fully electronic instruments. The aircraft had a power outage. There you go, critical systems do not work! This is why electrification does not work as you'd like to propose. It is not as redundant as mechanical which will work even without power. In regulation, it is "safer". Some people even proposed an electrical propulsion. Are you serious?
Redundancy, alright! Keyboard!
Also, crowded voices is more "chaotic" than crowded text messages that is widely distributed all over the screen (that is about the same as looking at job ads in a newspaper, which is not bad). Go with what is proven! If you are gonna innovate, innovate for the better! Voice chat is a Nintendo Wii kind-of innovation! It's more work for the rest of us man!
If we have to do our trading with voice like a Ming Dynasty overseas trader, I will not be playing this game. It is too much work! How about we lay back and just type what we have to say?
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1 hour ago, Atmosph3rik said:
But we really just need a simple chat system that works at least as well as MMOs from the 90's
We need a chat system that everyone can use! What if you don't have a headset + mic, or--in the case of myself--you simply don't like to use them because it makes you sound like megatron? Go with the system that is the most accessible if we are speaking about tools!
You see, I'm giving you an AK103 --a redundant gun that has a muzzle brake!--to fight in the jungle, and you want what? An M16/M4 that has a feeding problem if it's not clean? An M16/M4 that is mechanically more complex? An M16/M4 that burns into pieces after a few mags in full-auto? You see, this is how you think about high-tech! Gears also have to be redundant!
We need a gun that will fire even if I plunge it on the mud! We don't need a high-tech gun that will only conditionally work!
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Voice chat will make this game more niche, plus it is technically harder to implement. Everyone has a keyboard and uses a keyboard compare to a headset + mic. In other words, it is more accessible and convenient, so it is more redundant than a voice chat.
Why not a local chat system like this one and make it ping a sound whenever new messages pops-out for improved notification? :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvVVZ4_-Hv4
I am just gonna rant here, OK. As a non-boomer, you people are so jaded! I just don't understand your generation, OK. How about we make the game more convenient? What is wrong with that? I mean look at the voxelmancy. You wanna know why Landmark was scrapped? It is not fun and accessible to significant amount of people, hence it is not a viable product. It is so niche! We have a problem here in Dual Universe in terms of accessibility! The game is not even playable man! How about we work on making it so? The game is bloody niche! It is just like Landmark!
And you guys are proposing voice chat? Oh wow! Talk about niche!
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On 3/10/2021 at 7:11 PM, Fra119 said:
And this, my friend, is the reason why I play solo xD
I've soloed this game since the very beginning! As I said before, this is nothing but a communist game! How can you join an org if nobody here has a system that is equitable to the individual members? Orgs exist to benefit the members, not to benefit the org (which does not physically exists), all in the end, only benefitting the people who holds power and control within that org. You know, I am not stupid!
I will stand by my statement as I've been saying before: organizations in this game are pieces of garbage!
Let's think of a simple example:
3 people decide to start a business; to start a business, you need an infrastructure (this infrastructure costed $300K total in which each person put $100K each, which means each person put 33.33%); the total operating cost to the business let's say is $120k yearly; person A puts the 60K (50%), person B puts 40K (33.33%), person C puts $20K (16.67%) to cover all the yearly expenses (this includes labour); let's say the net income of the business is $60k at the end of the fiscal period after the tax (if there is tax).
Person A should get 50% of that income which is $30,000.
Person B should get 33.33% of that income which is $19,998.
Person C should get 16.67% of that income which is $10,002.
Let's say they decide to quit and liquidate the property. Let's say the property is now worth $250K currently. Since each person put 33.33%, they each should get $83,325.
The finance in this business has to be accounted to avoid internal corruption. Financial stakes should be distributed properly and how can you do this if you don't have any accounting? We are all working together, we are all contributors to the organization, but at the end of the day, we want what is fair for us individual members! What rightfully belongs to me, belongs to me!
This is why we even need contract on top of the accounting to assert my rights. Since we got no justice system, a non-legally binding MOU will do, stating my share in the organization (I will not even invest without going through an MOU first). If they decide to cheat me, I will call them out in the public with my documents. Do something like that and you should lose reputation. Reputation is important to anything mutual such as business.
I'm not saying not to join an org, but you should join an org with the mindset that you are an individual. What ends up happening is people join these "hacienda" orgs as slave labourers to these "hacendados". This is what Dual Universe is: it is a neo-colonial hacienda-building telenovela!
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Well, after the failure of Revelation Online, I had to look for another next-big-thing. Bless Online wasn't that thing as it is far worse than RO. This is when kickstarter MMOs are emerging; promising more innovation, traditional system, quality-orientation, and equitable gameplay than what the AAA's have given us in the past and are willing to give us. If the AAA's are not willing to give us what we want, then it is time for me to stop doing business with them, and help fund the MMO that most resemble what I'm looking for. This is when I turned to Kickstarter; which none have yet to turn successful; in conclusion, it doesn't have the ability to save the genre.
3 hours ago, aliensalmon said:I've also played my fair share of MMOs (although I tend to prefer eastern MMOs like MapleStory over Western ones such as World of Warcraft)
As an ethnic Asian, I prefer Eastern MMOs as well mainly due to the aesthetics, OSTs/BGMs, and demography of the community. It feels more relatable to me and I find it more appealing.
My favorite MMOs are:
- Final Fantasy XI (level 75 cap, no trust system)
- Ragnarok Online (classic, pre-trans, 99/50)
- Maplestory (pre-BB, only adventurer class with pirates)
- Trickster Online (official)
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The game already permanently released and the tutorial don't even work to this day! You wanna know the reason why I propose a wipe? This game is just not ready on this condition to be released permanently! The gameplay has already been severely spoiled and there is not a single intention in the future to wipe! This is the reason why most people will not choose to get into this game once the game has been further developed and this is the reason why most of us have already left and unlikely to return. Even if you are able to substantially improve the game in the future, the gameplay will remain spoiled, and that is the reason people don't want any involvement!
The game--as it is right now, and as it will remain in the future--is oligarchic! The system is so broken that NQ has to make radical changes to the game that affects the gameplay and it is so broken that it is exploited before it is fixed, and nothing in the future will be wiped and things will be kept the way it is consequently!
I should have died 10,000 years ago along with that Earth if the future is nothing but cruel!
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This game received about €18M of venture capital funds from Azom and Andurance. Their LPs provided that money and they expect 10x the ROI in 5 years. This is the problem with VC financing: they need and expect a lot of return! This means the GPs (Azom and Andurance) has to pay their LPs €180M for their €18M of investment in 5 years to have convinced them to invest. VC is a high risk investment and this is a startup that is innovating. High risk, high return.
How do VCs make money? From management fees and carries. NQ has to pay them 2.5% of €18M every year throughout the life cycle--which is half a million euros every year--for the management fee. Whatever profit NQ makes, a quarter of that goes to the VC, the VC then have to pay their LPs 80% of that quarter. This is the bill NQ has to pay to the VCs. The VC can also sell their equity and make money from the capital gains as last resort to make the ROI.
I read somewhere that Lost Ark made $200M in a year or something like that? Games like that and BDO are profitable but look at how they are monetized. NQ is not gonna receive any more funding from the VCs unless NQ can convince them with the profit.
Reality is €18M here is VC funded.
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11 hours ago, blazemonger said:
they will need more time than 9 months to do so, but it's there.
If the game doesn't make it to release quality after that period, they will just release it as it is. They already said it in the interview. And prior to this Beta, they also stated in their interview that they will stick to the schedule and it is one of their commitment to us. According to the roadmap, this Beta 1 was scheduled for Summer 2020 and they released it at the end of Summer 2020--on Early Access!
My problem is not how long or how much time they need to develop this game to meet quality standards; my problem is they are releasing it like this: incomplete, broken, and with no more wipe! You traded the quality for the schedule!
This quality is at early stage of development and when we tested it--as we are doing right now--, a lot of design and technical problems are starting to present themselves, not only that, a lot of fundamental contents are yet to be introduced. This is the time for more testing, correction, and development of new contents in which ofcourse need to be tested and corrected, before you release it with no more wipe! What they are doing is building and correcting on a broken game that they will not wipe. The point of the wipe is to keep the gameplay clean! What is a past system is still part of the gameplay because the past has influence in the present and the future! If the game already released, it already released! How the f*** can you fix it at this point? By building on top of the mess, hoping the mess will somehow disappear?
That is my problem, not the failure to meet a deadline! Believe me, they will release it as it is because the deadline is their "commitment".
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2 hours ago, Moosegun said:
how about we all just focus on the positives and the potential for at least one more patch! I am really enjoying the game again, I see some light at the end of the tunnel and I hope GOD DAMN IT, it is not a train.......
It is not about positivity or negativity (which is a personal outlook) but perceiving the reality. We may be negative on our comments but that is reflective of the current situation.
There is a difference between the end of a bore and an approaching train. You can tell the difference by looking at the wall. If the light is moving then that is a train. How about we be realistic than be faithful? It is a train man! You can tell the difference! The saying "there is always light at the end of a tunnel" tells you to always be positive regardless of any facts that is known and may become known. That is faith man, that is not realism! I'd rather be negative knowing things are going in the negative direction than be oblivious of the facts!
Consider what is happening!
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You don't have an economy in this game man, you got oligarchy!
Why and why would I participate in the economy and produce if the system that we have is oligarchic anyway?
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And what are we gonna do with abandoned constructs and territories since many people have quitted this game? Let me see. NQ might introduce an adverse possessor (squatter's rights) mechanics for these properties to have any use to the public than remain unused. It's a stupid law in real-life ( a very stupid one and one that I suffer as a property owner). Squatters will become a profession in this game. They will occupy someone's property until they now legally own it and they have more claim than the title holder. Seriously!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adverse_possession
Alioth will become a piece of dirt like the state of California which has a 7 year adverse possessor law. Here is my question for you: why would you pay a mortgage and why would you pay a rent if you can legally live for free? Thanks to these traditional politicians and their red tape on evicting the squatters, we now live in a world where we can steal people's property, and legally!
My family is in the business of real estate so I am aware of these bull sh*t. Seriously, you can legally squat and the law encourages it!