DarkHorizon
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11 hours ago, Cal Rouvenor said:
"Conan exiles" has a sandstorm RNG event, which will slowly kill you if you don't have the proper stuff to survive it, or if you do not find any protected area.
Don't forget that we still have these.
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5 hours ago, 0something0 said:
What if only nanoformers could harvest high grade ore but regular drills could harvest low grade ores or regular rock/dirt?
You think it would be the other way around since everybody has a nanoformer my default and specialized machines would be able to get at the truly good stuff.
Of course you can change this by incorporating certain technologies that need to be researched, but that's for another topic entirely.
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10 minutes ago, Lethys said:
Warmer. Cause that's NOT "tieing a discord account to a DU community/forum account? " Like you suggested.
Great, I'll let Yama speak for himself.
While it's impossible for me to help in this particular regard, I'm more than happy to help others with their concerns about the bot in the meantime.
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21 hours ago, Lethys said:
- i won't use any program made by anyone from this community on the same pc where I play DU
- I won't use bots/programs/software from Community members where any Information about my acc is used. This might change with an appropriate API from NQ where I can explicitly state what to share and what not
10 hours ago, Lethys said:Idk, but using a selfmade Community tool for that Kind of official work (to monitor and ultimately punish ppl) for a company isn't really a good idea imho
4 hours ago, Lethys said:If it's fine for you that a bot written by someone else than NQ monitors
Alright then can I safely deduce the issues lies behind the person who created it then?
Am I getting warmer or colder?
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8 hours ago, Lethys said:
Nothing. And that never was the point.
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But that's not even the main point. See above - that's what I despise
Alright, so that's established. Now reading your mentioned post, correct me if I'm wrong but you appear not to agree with the idea of tieing a discord account to a DU community/forum account? ?
If someone were to breach the NDA with an unlinked account, how then would you suggest we tell NQ whom to administer discipline to? I'm sure most of us involved all remember what happened on the first pre-alpha test and how quick NQ reacted to that breach. It seems to me that you'd rather not risk an account you have sunk money into so you can discuss NDA related topics publicly with your discord account which is, for all intents and purposes, free. To an extent, I agree with you and I personally don't like the fact that the NDA was extended by a year and some change. NQ has their reasons however, I personally would also agree with NQ that I would rather keep tight lipped about an awesome game rather than give the wider public a poor perception of an incomplete future product simply because I felt the need to tell everyone about it.
Good things come to those who wait. ?
Now, while reading through missed discord messages this morning I came across this exchange from Zamarus.
QuoteThe War DoctorToday at 9:28 AM
far as the bot the idea is that it takes out more human error of doing it
i know yours was a question
but it seems to be an issue for many none the less
Zamaro de MetusToday at 9:28 AM
Why can't you do both tho?
Manually for those who prefer not to profile themselves?While I'm sure manual authentication with a random staff generated string could be used to authenticate someones community and forum profiles in relation to their discord profile, this wouldn't be an issue with a small number of users. This however would set a poor precedent once people see a second method of authenticating and, as The War Doctor mentions, opens up a possibility for human error for which we in the staff would most likely be held responsible for any mistakes and/or breaches the manually authenticated user is involved in.
I won't speak for the rest of the community discord moderators when I say this, but I refuse to create a second class of users who are privileged through manual authentication. I will not create a second standard for a small handful while the rest of the community has chosen to navigate through the bot which largely hasn't been an issue for the greater community.
The bot has been the defacto standard for the entire community for a long time now, even the members of NovaQuark that we see from time to time have gone through the process without a hitch so now it really just begs the question of why the second standard for which I feel like I answered in the second paragraph and will refer to such.
I also won't speak for the team on this, but if it would help ease community concerns, I'll more than happily speak with Yama and ask if he'd be willing to resign full control of the authentication bot to NovaQuark (even though he is probably reading this and typing up a reply as we speak). Be mindful however that NQ already has a very full plate with the game as it is nearing Alpha stage in more or less two months, and that it more than likely will not be an overnight event, much like how the discord officilization was discussed over a series of months. ?
- LittleJoe and The_War_Doctor
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2 hours ago, Lethys said:
So I don't see a point in giving anyone my data to collect for free.
What ad blocking lists do you use, I want them, they must be very thorough. Do you have a raspberry pi or something similar setup? I could use some help in my own set up and I think you're the one to turn to.
Jokes aside, the future will be rough if that quote is anything to go by once facial recognition in cameras starts showing adverts on the store windows as you pass by.
I'm tempted to make a separate thread specifically on that issue, however, I think it just needlessly belabors the point. What is it about sharing such information that has everyone up in arms? If what Yama has listed about what information is collected is true, I'm not understanding the fuss so provide me with some clarity please.
What can I do with your (Lethys in this case)...
Discord user ID: #4294 / 485745681240424449
Forum profile link: https://board.dualthegame.com/index.php?/profile/2114-lethys/
Backer Status: Private
ATV membership: True
Pre-Alpha Access: True
Validation success: N/A
And just for the hell of it, here's my info:
Discord user ID: #2530 / 489186915871096834
Forum profile link: https://board.dualthegame.com/index.php?/profile/2902-darkhorizon/
Backer Status: Ruby ?
ATV membership: False
Pre-Alpha Access: True
Validation success: True
I understand Yama to be pretty experienced with what he does, but I don't think he'd beable to harvest any personally identifiable information. If that were the case, however, then I'd be calling NQ and their payment processors into question and I'd most likely cast Dual Universe in a questionable light.As far as I'm concerned the authentication bot is under NQ's scrutiny now and since the discord is official, maybe Yama isn't the right person to be targeting anymore aside from the fact that he's its creator (or so I'm led to believe). NQ however stands to loose a lot more if word got out that someone was stealing players data and using it nefariously so I can only assume that NQ had inspected every single piece of that bot and found nothing of concern.
Again, everything about it is public, make of it what you will since participation is not mandatory. Also, this isn't me taking sides, I don't really care for the bot personally, I just want to understand peoples concerns.
15 minutes ago, yamisniper said:i mean its pretty much impossible to get into the nda channels without that tool . and to be honest Nq could buy the tool offen him and guess what its there tool now.
companys buy game dev tools all the time whats the diffrence here yama doesnt own a company that makes the tools?
I don't want to say in this case that the creator is the problem, but rather that Yama simply isn't from NQ.
The thing is, Yama really, really wants a job with NQ. If he were to have gotten a job, what then? If he gives up all creative and ownership rights to the bot to NQ, what then?
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2 hours ago, Lethys said:
On one hand, I'd like those to see - as an explorer it would be awesome to get into such things, witness them and move on.
On the other hand, it would be pretty bad for cities for example If such things happen and a rival city suddenly is more powerful. Or a fleet gets crashed because RNGsus strikes - No thanks
Predictability can be nice but it can also grow old. Destroyed cities can keep builders from going lax. I won't try and compare real life cities where one sends aid to another after a local crisis since this is a game and we can reasonably expect one city to try and do massive damage to another since this is just a game. While cooperation is encouraged, sometimes it needs to be spiced up.
Now I'm not saying to make storms too predictable where they hit at the same time every couple of hours or always in a specific area, again, add some variety. Your radar sees a storm moving in, hey thunderstorms and lightning, that's cool, land the aircraft or let them risk getting fried. Twenty minutes later that storm blew up on your doorstep and its spawning tornados. Oh crap, tell johnny lock to activate the sirens, those citizens got five minutes to find shelter, or toto we're not in Kansas anymore. Now the real question is was the game designed to spawn a tornado just because it was near a city? Devs, please nerf weather, its too random. That's just it though, its weather, it's the only thing you can be totally wrong about and not get fired from your job.
Lets be a little more mobile and go off the planet, you're flying through space when suddenly your radar pipes up, the sun burped and a CME is flying at you. Oh well, change course since for all I know, those things fly in straight lines. Oh hey, you're flying through the asteroid belt and there's a space rock every half mile, duck and weave, duck and weave.
You decided to fly through some electric space cotton-candy while gas collecting for that sweet sweet profit but got zapped instead so you won't be going anywhere too quick now. First, that's on you, second, you know where to find me in discord, I'll send a guy to #bringhimhome.
Some things you can predict, others, not so much. While I won't say one is any worse than the other, variables not withstanding, it beats not having anything so I'll really just take what I can get. Then again there's always that worry about server performance. While these extras are nice, I'd just like to see how the base game turns out and once we know what we're working with, then we can pile on the extras.
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I'd also doubtlessly imagine that there would be physical identifiers and voxel logos on the construct hulls themselves but you would only see those if you most likely haven't been shot at or detected yet.
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Indeed, forcefields are only so good as far as ramp elements are concerned.
My only problem with that would be if the element were to get destroyed, would someone else beable to repair and re-open it? Force fields would simply deactivate so say if you're dropping troops into battle and you take a hit in the entrance/exit, they can still get out since there isn't anything in the way.
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People will be people in the end. If you place a restriction on something, there will always be someone out there that finds a way around it. Like DU, it's a race without a finish line
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I was considering asking about this a week or so ago for the terran union but I quickly answered my own question. Why do we need our own when we could just have someone verify themselves in the DU discord, and perhaps even ping us in an authorization channel, then have someone apply the appropriate tags to grant that person access to NDA channels.
Its less overhead for the other organizations overall, and it verifies you for the DU discord as an added benefit.
I don't see why not, but I also don't see as to why either.
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3 hours ago, MrStarWars said:
*eat a popcorn*
A single popcorn? I'll take a bowl full.
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On 8/8/2018 at 4:49 PM, Bester said:
Please contact my office for an appointment.
Hmm, I cant seem to find an email, phone number or even a physical address!
Welcome!
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On 8/9/2018 at 1:30 PM, Agilulf said:
Contents of issue 3: Espionage and Counter-Intelligence, the Service Industry, and a stupid map
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12 minutes ago, Lockethot said:
Technically, your a consumer, not an investor. Investors make investments for economic return. You bought the game for future enjoyment. Slight difference there.
...because that will just turn this thread into an argument
1Slight difference, but not much. It all depends on where you get your value from. I've tried explaining that already.
If I was arguing, my choice of words would be, different. I'm just having a civil discussion in a public space. I'm free to do that am I not? All I did was make a passing statement, I never intended to follow up on anything and usually don't unless I feel brought into the discussion.
Anyways, at your request, I will censor myself for the remainder of this thread since you don't want my 'sort of thing'.
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On 8/8/2018 at 7:42 PM, Ben Fargo said:
1. Social Features, which mentions grouping, is under Alpha 3 and Player Nations is under Beta. Does this mean player groups and player nations will be different kinds of entities in the game or will they still both be organizations with some features of organizations introduced later than others?
2. When will the RDMS be introduced? I did not see it mentioned specifically in the roadmap. Does this mean it will be implemented gradually as the other features require it?
I can only speculate since we're both in the same boat.
I would think that they would be different entities. Player groups, say you have a group of flying buddies that you like to go on looting runs with. You can select that group, see where they all are, blast a message saying you want to go out and smash a convoy, then go do it.
On the other hand maybe it could be used as a filter of sorts for grouping people into... groups! You know a bunch of people who are good at making constructs, add their name to a group and you can easily start up a private group conversation in the game. It could also be a feature of organizations like, for example, you put your organization's industrialists in one group, and miners in another, but then again you wouldn't need to be a part of an organization to do that, it's just another tool of sorts on the players tool belt.
Can't be of much help on the second question here. I don't know about the RDMS system too much beyond the blogs (which I don't know if the old ones were deleted in the move) and dev diary. It could be staggered as you suggest or even added after release. Then again, maybe they forgot to add it in.
- Ben Fargo and The_War_Doctor
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4 minutes ago, blazemonger said:
Those purchasing a supporter pack are not investors.
I could always... ahem... invest my time and money elsewhere. Where would we even be if DU hadn't succeeded in its kickstarter? Would it have gotten its millions in actual investors money if those investors hadn't recognized people were actually interested and willing to spend on a product that wasn't yet tangible to them and ourselves?
Backers, customers, investors, whatever we want to call it. We're all interested in this product and want to see it succeed. That never came about through sitting on the sidelines and just hoping things succeed which is something we all could have done.
It might not line up with the definition of being able to make money in the future, but what does money buy? A lot of things, including entertainment. I backed the game two years ago so I could be entertained later.
You might not see yourself as an investor, but I certainly do, and I won't belabor the point.
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Yeah, I can see this going places. Whether or not those places are good is another story.
As far as I can tell, the only ToS that applies is DU's that I see right below the checkout button. I won't create a new account, but I believe Xsollas binding documents pertain only to the use of their service alone and does not attempt to include itself with DU in any shape or form.
If that were the case, I would have fully expected NQ to have brought this up in the purchasing process. Dropping surprises on potential investors (no matter how small) like this wouldn't be a good look.
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1 hour ago, BandaTalk said:
Exactly! Imagine the VoC vs Pirates but in space.
I don't know what that is but alrighty, sounds like lots of people are going to be needing rescuing after that fight.
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Giving a concrete estimate on server uptimes further out into the future leads me to two possible answers.
Either it's like predicting the weather. You can look at the future and guess what might happen based on the data gathered from the past.
Or it's the lottery and you never know what the outcome might be and everything is to chance.
Things can be stable for months and weekend tests can go off without a hitch, so much that the dev team can go home for the weekend and find the test still running fine when they return on Monday. Then the introduction of a new feature throws everything into a tailspin and you're back down to three hours a week and occasionally restarting the server mid-test because something went bonkers.
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7 hours ago, BandaTalk said:
My idea is for securities such as stocks and bonds to be held as physical items, such as they would’ve been held as physical certificates in times past in the real world.
Sounds like another thing to steal...
Sign me up!
- Lethys, killthrush and Yuu
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I'd just like to add that much like in real life, you can have the most powerful weapon in the world and still be totally defenseless or even get yourself killed if you don't know how to use it properly.
Take a magnet gun for example. Fire two 'poles' and they'll stick to whatever solid they land on and will pull together once the opposing pole is fired.
Fire one pole at the ground and the other at the enemy, sure it will pull the enemy to the ground, but they can still attack you with their own weapons as long as their limbs and weapons aren't pinned to the ground.
Let's try again with a new enemy. Land one on them and another on a car that's all the way down the block. Nothing happens, the two poles are too far apart so they don't interact.
You could also fire one pole at the enemy and the other at the big metal beam, sure the metal beam will fly towards them and crush them (just using my imagination, the enemy would most likely go flying in this case since they'd be realistically less heavy) but also not realize that the beam still has a lot of potential energy and is on a collision course with you.
Oh, and that structure that beam was supporting, it's crumbling down on top of you now.
Of course, realistic physics-based destruction is pretty unrealistic in DU not only for the performance required serverside but also players who build buildings that can't support themselves due to either no support structure or just poor design overall, but I think you get my point.
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On 8/4/2018 at 6:21 PM, CoreVamore said:
Secondly, not sure how you would lock them of from all markets. Maybe from some you run but you cant block them from all markets.
3The purpose isn't to block someone from a marketplace (even though that is exactly what is happening) but to make it inconvenient. To make it feel as if they are not wanted here and should just give up and go somewhere else.
Early on in the game or in areas where certain services are sparse this tactic could be very effective since it could require a big sink of time or resources just to go to another planet or system to access another service. Of course, later on, or in high-density locations, this might be ineffective since you might just need to cross the street (into another hex) to be able to use those same services.
Who's to say the ripple effects this could have if the owner of one hex were to try and influence a nearby hex to convince them to restrict the criminal's access so as to better enforce their will. Maybe a bruised ego, maybe the final straw on the road to war.
Then again, there is always the underground and black markets that will inevitably pop up. It might cost you a little more, but if it is worth it, then you'll reason with yourself appropriately.
Check that, this is of convenience and value. Some people value their time or quanta and don't want to see it go to waste, they might submit and turn themselves in while others could give two shlacks and run since they have all the time and quanta in the world.
This is all in a game, yes, but time can be a tangible item.
How much value do you place on it?
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I've read the topic plenty and actually have that open in a tab already. I know those answers because the topic has been torn apart already, please don't fault me for simply replying to something that 0something0 had brought up. ?