Lord_Void

Depends

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In dead eyes !?
 
Die Waldfee

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You have something in the right eye (bar?).
 
Die Waldfee

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Hello Lord_void,
why, you wear sunglasses.
 
Die Waldfee
 

It's a flicker of intelligence. Just a flicker though

Those aren't sunglasses ... my eyes are just naturally black and lifeless  

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize we were being condescending pricks to each other. But if that's how you want it to be...
 
 
You're technically correct, but in doing so you completely ignore the real issue in order to make a pointless, childish, and near-sighted argument that's easily refutable by anyone who's thought about the issue for more than two seconds.
 
How, my dear, did society get to be the way it is? Through millennia of pain and anger and distrust and chaos. We had to learn how to make society worth living in by experiencing misery for thousands of years before finally realizing how to work together enough to make it bearable. Of course that's not what we want for DU, but that's not the point. The point is that the real world does not have unbreakable rules that make us civilized, and yet we still manage to get by without killing each other all the time. These "consequences" you talk about aren't enforced by a magic system that mandates punishment, it's carried out by thousands of hard working people, and it only functions because nearly everyone complies with its rules and assists in making it happen. Civilizations can be formed in a system with no rules and limited punishments, and the fact that we're having this conversation is proof of the success of that concept. 
 
THAT is what makes a real civilization work, and that is exactly what DU is going to need, because 99.999% of the game world is going to be a PvP zone with no real rules, teams, judges, or police (unless we make them, which we should!). These people can be punished by killing them, destroying everything they've built, and driving them from the game because no one will work with them. That is precisely how we enforce our own rules on society, and the process of working those differences out is going to be interesting and fun and unique in the gaming world.
 
 
This is an incredibly ignorant statement. Are you so dense that you don't realize that these conditions that allow for a safe society are manufactured by the people of that society? This is exactly what we need to do in DU: Manufacture a society that's worth enjoying by punishing the negative aspects of society (griefers). It will be hard, just like it is in the real world, but it can be done, and in a properly structured game advancing that process will be fun and rewarding. But if you're too spoiled to put any real effort into making it work, then by all means, go play something else. 

We will expand slowly (which is ofc also wanted by the devs) and people will always be somewhat near each other - because they want content (wars, people to play with, talks, ...). And even IF people spread out - markets will just be more localized. that's where daring traders come into play who could make fortunes if they buy goods in system X and ship them to system Y
 
 
or....
Piracy
Scamming
Robbing
Invading people
Raiding people
Margin Trading
Reseller
Mercs
....
 
True, the basis for all that will be mining - but way way after release not everyone has to mine to generate income. But I'm sure you meant that anyway
 

This is one of the most common concerns that come up.
 
I'm not too worried myself because the game world is so huge, and I plan to spread my assets in multiple locations so they can't all be compromised at once.

Well as discussed already in length a year ago or so: ,this is a sandbox mmo. Get people together, make a police force and do it yourself. This game is about emergent gameplay where people do stuff and not just get everything handed to them. Want something done? Do it! That's what makes such games so thrilling

Kraken Industries

(Logo by Alethion)
 
Do you use money? Do you sell or buy items?  Are you a member of BOO?
If the answer to any of those questions is yes, you will probably end up doing business with us. 
 
Kraken Industries is a group dedicated to meeting the needs of Band of Outlaws and other groups. We specialize in markets, infrastructure and manufacturing. We hope be the leading supplier for all of our customers' needs. We are here to get the economy working, for you!
 
How are we structured?
We have three departments: Infrastructure, Trading, and Manufacturing. Each department has a Director, and the Directors answer to the CEO.
Infrastructure - This department is responsible for building and maintaining physical assets such as mines, market units, stargates, factories, and so on. It is also responsible for making these available to the wider community for a fair price. Joining this department will provide many opportunities in construction, exploration, and negotiation. Trading - This department is in charge of all market and broker services. This includes serving as market makers, brokers, commodity exchanges, bulk trades, consumer markets, and logistics. This group is in charge of making sure you have someone to sell your goods to, or buy goods from, and that other groups are able to get the resources they need at the prices they want. Joining this department provides ample opportunities to practice your spreadsheet skills and rake in the big bucks!  Manufacturing - This department is tasked with building things, with turning raw lumps of rock into the products that consumers want, and materials that industries need. This ranges from refining minerals, to building intermediary parts, to constructing finished ships. This department takes advantage of Kraken's Trading and Infrastructure resources to deliver goods at competitive prices. Joining this department The departments structure themselves as needed. 
 
What sets us apart?
We are a Special Interest Group of Band of Outlaws, meaning that we get all of the benefits of being BOO members. This also means we have a good base of people to do business with. Not only do members get paid for the work they do, but every member also recieves dividends of the groups overall profits. This means you aren't working to make some elusive shareholders or absentee robber baron rich, you are working to make yourself rich! Our shares system means that profits are divided pretty equitably, so even the CEO doesn't make an obscene amount more than an average member. (more detail on this to come) Vertical Integration. By combining and controlling multiple stages of production and service, all the way from manufacturing to distribution we can lower our costs, generating higher profits and saving our customers money. Driven by Data. We believe in innovation and in understanding the markets on a deeper level. That's why we are driven to analyze the markets with everything from Big Data to statistical modeling. Our tools allow us to spot trends and gain insights that can shape our business practices.   
Want to apply? Join our Discord server ( https://discord.gg/eHdEhBz ) or contact @Lord_Void! Check us out at https://community.dualthegame.com/organization/kraken-industries#tab-description
 

Kraken Industries

(Logo by Alethion)
 
Do you use money? Do you sell or buy items?  Are you a member of BOO?
If the answer to any of those questions is yes, you will probably end up doing business with us. 
 
Kraken Industries is a group dedicated to meeting the needs of Band of Outlaws and other groups. We specialize in markets, infrastructure and manufacturing. We hope be the leading supplier for all of our customers' needs. We are here to get the economy working, for you!
 
How are we structured?
We have three departments: Infrastructure, Trading, and Manufacturing. Each department has a Director, and the Directors answer to the CEO.
Infrastructure - This department is responsible for building and maintaining physical assets such as mines, market units, stargates, factories, and so on. It is also responsible for making these available to the wider community for a fair price. Joining this department will provide many opportunities in construction, exploration, and negotiation. Trading - This department is in charge of all market and broker services. This includes serving as market makers, brokers, commodity exchanges, bulk trades, consumer markets, and logistics. This group is in charge of making sure you have someone to sell your goods to, or buy goods from, and that other groups are able to get the resources they need at the prices they want. Joining this department provides ample opportunities to practice your spreadsheet skills and rake in the big bucks!  Manufacturing - This department is tasked with building things, with turning raw lumps of rock into the products that consumers want, and materials that industries need. This ranges from refining minerals, to building intermediary parts, to constructing finished ships. This department takes advantage of Kraken's Trading and Infrastructure resources to deliver goods at competitive prices. Joining this department The departments structure themselves as needed. 
 
What sets us apart?
We are a Special Interest Group of Band of Outlaws, meaning that we get all of the benefits of being BOO members. This also means we have a good base of people to do business with. Not only do members get paid for the work they do, but every member also recieves dividends of the groups overall profits. This means you aren't working to make some elusive shareholders or absentee robber baron rich, you are working to make yourself rich! Our shares system means that profits are divided pretty equitably, so even the CEO doesn't make an obscene amount more than an average member. (more detail on this to come) Vertical Integration. By combining and controlling multiple stages of production and service, all the way from manufacturing to distribution we can lower our costs, generating higher profits and saving our customers money. Driven by Data. We believe in innovation and in understanding the markets on a deeper level. That's why we are driven to analyze the markets with everything from Big Data to statistical modeling. Our tools allow us to spot trends and gain insights that can shape our business practices.   
Want to apply? Join our Discord server ( https://discord.gg/eHdEhBz ) or contact @Lord_Void! Check us out at https://community.dualthegame.com/organization/kraken-industries#tab-description
 

I like the mythological beast and the aesthetics you got. This is gonna be good!

One might say this thread is dank. 

Kraken Industries

(Logo by Alethion)
 
Do you use money? Do you sell or buy items?  Are you a member of BOO?
If the answer to any of those questions is yes, you will probably end up doing business with us. 
 
Kraken Industries is a group dedicated to meeting the needs of Band of Outlaws and other groups. We specialize in markets, infrastructure and manufacturing. We hope be the leading supplier for all of our customers' needs. We are here to get the economy working, for you!
 
How are we structured?
We have three departments: Infrastructure, Trading, and Manufacturing. Each department has a Director, and the Directors answer to the CEO.
Infrastructure - This department is responsible for building and maintaining physical assets such as mines, market units, stargates, factories, and so on. It is also responsible for making these available to the wider community for a fair price. Joining this department will provide many opportunities in construction, exploration, and negotiation. Trading - This department is in charge of all market and broker services. This includes serving as market makers, brokers, commodity exchanges, bulk trades, consumer markets, and logistics. This group is in charge of making sure you have someone to sell your goods to, or buy goods from, and that other groups are able to get the resources they need at the prices they want. Joining this department provides ample opportunities to practice your spreadsheet skills and rake in the big bucks!  Manufacturing - This department is tasked with building things, with turning raw lumps of rock into the products that consumers want, and materials that industries need. This ranges from refining minerals, to building intermediary parts, to constructing finished ships. This department takes advantage of Kraken's Trading and Infrastructure resources to deliver goods at competitive prices. Joining this department The departments structure themselves as needed. 
 
What sets us apart?
We are a Special Interest Group of Band of Outlaws, meaning that we get all of the benefits of being BOO members. This also means we have a good base of people to do business with. Not only do members get paid for the work they do, but every member also recieves dividends of the groups overall profits. This means you aren't working to make some elusive shareholders or absentee robber baron rich, you are working to make yourself rich! Our shares system means that profits are divided pretty equitably, so even the CEO doesn't make an obscene amount more than an average member. (more detail on this to come) Vertical Integration. By combining and controlling multiple stages of production and service, all the way from manufacturing to distribution we can lower our costs, generating higher profits and saving our customers money. Driven by Data. We believe in innovation and in understanding the markets on a deeper level. That's why we are driven to analyze the markets with everything from Big Data to statistical modeling. Our tools allow us to spot trends and gain insights that can shape our business practices.   
Want to apply? Join our Discord server ( https://discord.gg/eHdEhBz ) or contact @Lord_Void! Check us out at https://community.dualthegame.com/organization/kraken-industries#tab-description
 

Kraken Industries

(Logo by Alethion)
 
Do you use money? Do you sell or buy items?  Are you a member of BOO?
If the answer to any of those questions is yes, you will probably end up doing business with us. 
 
Kraken Industries is a group dedicated to meeting the needs of Band of Outlaws and other groups. We specialize in markets, infrastructure and manufacturing. We hope be the leading supplier for all of our customers' needs. We are here to get the economy working, for you!
 
How are we structured?
We have three departments: Infrastructure, Trading, and Manufacturing. Each department has a Director, and the Directors answer to the CEO.
Infrastructure - This department is responsible for building and maintaining physical assets such as mines, market units, stargates, factories, and so on. It is also responsible for making these available to the wider community for a fair price. Joining this department will provide many opportunities in construction, exploration, and negotiation. Trading - This department is in charge of all market and broker services. This includes serving as market makers, brokers, commodity exchanges, bulk trades, consumer markets, and logistics. This group is in charge of making sure you have someone to sell your goods to, or buy goods from, and that other groups are able to get the resources they need at the prices they want. Joining this department provides ample opportunities to practice your spreadsheet skills and rake in the big bucks!  Manufacturing - This department is tasked with building things, with turning raw lumps of rock into the products that consumers want, and materials that industries need. This ranges from refining minerals, to building intermediary parts, to constructing finished ships. This department takes advantage of Kraken's Trading and Infrastructure resources to deliver goods at competitive prices. Joining this department The departments structure themselves as needed. 
 
What sets us apart?
We are a Special Interest Group of Band of Outlaws, meaning that we get all of the benefits of being BOO members. This also means we have a good base of people to do business with. Not only do members get paid for the work they do, but every member also recieves dividends of the groups overall profits. This means you aren't working to make some elusive shareholders or absentee robber baron rich, you are working to make yourself rich! Our shares system means that profits are divided pretty equitably, so even the CEO doesn't make an obscene amount more than an average member. (more detail on this to come) Vertical Integration. By combining and controlling multiple stages of production and service, all the way from manufacturing to distribution we can lower our costs, generating higher profits and saving our customers money. Driven by Data. We believe in innovation and in understanding the markets on a deeper level. That's why we are driven to analyze the markets with everything from Big Data to statistical modeling. Our tools allow us to spot trends and gain insights that can shape our business practices.   
Want to apply? Join our Discord server ( https://discord.gg/eHdEhBz ) or contact @Lord_Void! Check us out at https://community.dualthegame.com/organization/kraken-industries#tab-description
 

Kraken Industries

(Logo by Alethion)
 
Do you use money? Do you sell or buy items?  Are you a member of BOO?
If the answer to any of those questions is yes, you will probably end up doing business with us. 
 
Kraken Industries is a group dedicated to meeting the needs of Band of Outlaws and other groups. We specialize in markets, infrastructure and manufacturing. We hope be the leading supplier for all of our customers' needs. We are here to get the economy working, for you!
 
How are we structured?
We have three departments: Infrastructure, Trading, and Manufacturing. Each department has a Director, and the Directors answer to the CEO.
Infrastructure - This department is responsible for building and maintaining physical assets such as mines, market units, stargates, factories, and so on. It is also responsible for making these available to the wider community for a fair price. Joining this department will provide many opportunities in construction, exploration, and negotiation. Trading - This department is in charge of all market and broker services. This includes serving as market makers, brokers, commodity exchanges, bulk trades, consumer markets, and logistics. This group is in charge of making sure you have someone to sell your goods to, or buy goods from, and that other groups are able to get the resources they need at the prices they want. Joining this department provides ample opportunities to practice your spreadsheet skills and rake in the big bucks!  Manufacturing - This department is tasked with building things, with turning raw lumps of rock into the products that consumers want, and materials that industries need. This ranges from refining minerals, to building intermediary parts, to constructing finished ships. This department takes advantage of Kraken's Trading and Infrastructure resources to deliver goods at competitive prices. Joining this department The departments structure themselves as needed. 
 
What sets us apart?
We are a Special Interest Group of Band of Outlaws, meaning that we get all of the benefits of being BOO members. This also means we have a good base of people to do business with. Not only do members get paid for the work they do, but every member also recieves dividends of the groups overall profits. This means you aren't working to make some elusive shareholders or absentee robber baron rich, you are working to make yourself rich! Our shares system means that profits are divided pretty equitably, so even the CEO doesn't make an obscene amount more than an average member. (more detail on this to come) Vertical Integration. By combining and controlling multiple stages of production and service, all the way from manufacturing to distribution we can lower our costs, generating higher profits and saving our customers money. Driven by Data. We believe in innovation and in understanding the markets on a deeper level. That's why we are driven to analyze the markets with everything from Big Data to statistical modeling. Our tools allow us to spot trends and gain insights that can shape our business practices.   
Want to apply? Join our Discord server ( https://discord.gg/eHdEhBz ) or contact @Lord_Void! Check us out at https://community.dualthegame.com/organization/kraken-industries#tab-description
 

Hi there and welcome,
 
Yes a gold pledge is the minimum to get into alpha.
 
Beta was announced for next year, nothing too specific.
 
Reminder: you need to pledge before Sept 7th to get into the pre-alpha (Gold and above) - but I assume you knowcan that because you ask

Well I guess we are essentially in agreement then

Obligatory come join BOO post.
 
Still playing a fair amount of ESO, Conan Exiles, and now Elite Dangerous. Join our Discord relay server to ask about joining BOO.
 
- Cybrex

Yes, but I wasn't referring to that when I said "right amount", my bad i didn't explain myself well enough. Even if, as you said 1$ or 100$ don't matter because the value is the same, making it so that 1 copper ore is worth 1.500.000 isn't a great idea, because numbers in the game would be huge to a point that they'll be actually hard to read. While if there's shortage of quanta, and on average each player has 5 quanta each (and you can't subdivide), the economy wouldn't even work. Ofc there's not a single "right amount" as you said, but not the entire spectrum is good either. What I meant is that NQ will likely choose the right amount in the good portion of the spectrum, and then control the inflation/deflation relative to that value. 

They have not specifically stated how it will be done. It may be through reporting on the secure forum or it will be through some other system. We shall see.

Looking for a programmer? I've got all of your programming needs. Hopefully figuring out a specialization when i get more in-depth in the game. This game seems like I will sink lots of hours into it. Want a devoted player? You've got it. If you have the spot for me, I'll take it.

Hope I'm the first one! 
 
 
 
This months DevDiary includes info on the (Pre-) Alpha, a view at the game menu, a glimpse at the inventory system, redesign of the cockpit widgets and several things about building and scripting!