PleiJades

When I started playing I was like: The terrain is so boring and ugly they basically have to do a wipe in the future, so I am playing the game a bit but waiting for the terrain wipe and not investing too mich time right now. It is funny that they did a terrain wipe but only reverting it to alpha state. Probably because builders gonna cry, everytime.

In "Elite Dangerous" it is actually a two step process. First if you come too close to a planet (or a planet comes too close to you) and you have a slow relative speed to each other, then you adapt the speed of the planet and get dragged along with it. In Elite however you can fly multiple times the speed of light, so "slow" is a very relative term. And Elite does not have orbital mechanics, so you do not orbit planets or something. Then if you get into very close range there is the transition that you actually switch to the coordinate system of the planet which the last time i played can actually be seen visually because everything changes a bit. In Elite you can not build things in space, so there is no problem with buildings in the "border zone" where the switch happens. In DU that however would be a problem.

The concept is probably similar to what "Elite Dangerous" is doing. There planets move and rotate. And if you come close to a planet you basically switch to the coordinate system of the planet. Actuallly i think in Elite it creates an instance for you of the planet. However I am not sure if the DU tech supports this.

None of the changes propsed by OP have a focus about new players. That are only changes he likes to have for himself. I have left after beta started. Not playing anymore and waiting for TW, conflict drivers, etc. None of the changes proposed by OP would bring me back/make me stay.

JC really liked to talk about the metaverse und "Ready player one": https://medium.com/@jcbaillie/the-oasis-from-ready-player-one-will-soon-be-a-reality-870121af659e However I never understood what he actually wanted because "Ready player one" like in the movie would be an extremely bad game. Which is probably why DU is in the state it is today.

What I find interesting about this thread: When I stopped playing there was a whole thread of people leaving and voicing their opinions. However a huge part of the builder community told us to just go away and leave and play a different game because DU was made for the builders. Now the builders are starting to cry because NQ has to cut down costs because there are not enough builders to keep the game alive. Pretty much everybody knew that this was coming. Except NQ and the builders.

Ah. You also seem to be a player of the awesome and groundbreaking game of http://progressquest.com/ Honestly. Watching an XP counter to go up is only interesting if you expect to get something in return. And changing numbers like 100% vs 150% only works if the people who play the game are not that good at numbers. If you have a game where people also like to play with spreadsheets or at least have a basic understanding of numbers, then this will not work as a "fix". You are basically telling your players that they are idiots...

Nice. Actually I wanted to ask an honest question. But I knew that the DU forum is extremely good at derailing. So I was expecting 4 posts until "total derail". I think you got this. This is not discord where you randomly throw around your random thoughts... Whatever...

As a first note: I don't play anymore, I just read the forums. However I see a lot of talk about "civilization building" around here however I was never able to understand what people actually mean when they talk about this. So the questions are very roughly from my side: What does "civilization building" actually mean in your opinion and what is the purpose of it in DU? Let's say we/you have reached the point where there is a DU civilization. What comes afterwards? Do we need an alien enemy or is "civilization building" finished then? Or do we fight each other to keep the game interesting? Why play the game after "civilization building" is achieved if we are all playing nice with each other. Only to build? So "civilization building" was only about the actual "building" part and not the "civilization" part? Or does DU turn into a 3D-chat room with interactive buildings? These are honest questions because they are probably the reason why I was never able to understand a lot of DU players and quit the game.

Could someone please react to this? You are all starting to take this personally which is really strange... I am only a casual player, who is not too deep into the game mechanics. But if you start to talk about game mechanics please follow up on suggestions/criticism/etc.

Somehow the DU forum is pretty good at derailing every topic. So I will just post my opinion about the "derailed" part which barely touches the original post. I am sorry. Some people are very involved in the game. They are like "Just login every day and everything is fine. And then you just do some missions which take roughly 4 hours AFKing and you are totally wealthy". Problem is: Not everyone is playing games this way. Some people like to play a bit when they want to. And about the "maths" part in this topic: I probably "could" do the maths. But I just want to play this game for fun. If I am required to do maths about my possible income and wether or not I am able to pay my tile is a pretty bad game design idea. Because not everyone wants to min/max a game. Some people just want to have fun and relax a bit.

I totally get your point. But a) their tech is probably not made to run on a single server b) there is already Empyrion. It is not that great in the building-part, but already has NPCs, etc.

I think DU did attract 2 different groups with the beta (payed alpha): landmark players and EVE players. Maybe more, but I am in the later group and it took a while for me to understand the "landmark" group. Form what I have seen for the "landmark" players their focus is building only. It doesn't matter if something they have build serves any purpose. They like the building part itself and don't need any further gameplay loops. That is why an easy industry is nice for them because it gives an additional subtask to do which is easy enough to not take too much time from the building part. For EVE players (as myself) the gameloop is simply not finished with the building because we are used to having a goal after that (PvP). The "landmark players" are really good for advertising the game. "Look at all these cool player build constructs!". Which is why DU tried to be really nice to them. However for a lot of gamers only building stuff gets boring fast. So they have to keep a balance between these groups. And since they tried really hard to attract the landmark group they made the game uninteresting for EVE players. And now it is difficult to get the EVE players back because every step in that direction will be criticized by the current "landmark" playerbase that is left.

What exactly is your problem with the safe zone? I don't get it.

You simply don't go into a warzone unprepared. You can build a civilization (whatever that means in a video game) in the safe zone. Honestly from the langauge you are using you are not seeing this as a game but an extension to your real life. This is probably the difference between you and the rest of the world. Games are there for entertainment. Look at board or card games. They are all about destroying the opponent. This is what games are for. A lot of people (in fact the normal people) play games for fun and also for the destruction. I think what you define as "normal" is maybe normal in RL. But very "unnormal" in video games.

Who are these "normal" people you are talking about? This is a game. In which you are perfectly fine in the safe zone. You are trying to draw conclusions from in-game actions to the actual person which is playing a game. And that is an extremely weird thing to do in my opinion.

One of the problems for me is also that they advertise a "beta" version of the game which does not exist. I came here for example because of this trailer: It talks a lot about stuff that is simply not in the game and has been delayed after release. For example they show atmo fights, talk about massive warfare with hundreds of ships and hint a lot in the direction of territory warfare. Features which are simply not there at all and will not be there in the near future.

I only watch the forums to see what the game will turn into. Landmark in space Platform for mini-games which are worse than actual games (racing, casino, etc.) Platform for socializing EVE clone dead And the interesting thing is: I really have no idea what the actual goal is from the NQ side.

Maybe they should just switch to an acutally working operating system for the client? Like windows applications randomly crashing on like 5 out of 100 windows servers is kind of expected. You never expect windows to actually work reliably. Probably worse on consumer machines where everyone also changes system settings because some blog post told them it is a good idea.

Just my 2 cents: I stopped playing about the time 0.23 came out. However it had nothing to do with schematics and I really don't understand why people are so obsessed with them. The reason for me why I stopped playing was that my inital sub expired and after the initial start to build some ships and a bit of a factory the game got really boring. Actually I pretty much stopped playing about 1-2 weeks before 0.23. I even logged in after 0.23 hit (because you could still login if your sub had already expired). I bought some schematics but then again the game got really boring and I stopped. Longterm this game is mostly interesting for people who like to build pretty things which have no actual use. There are no real gameloops and in my opinion it is just a bad game except the first few months in its current state. Building is simply not enough to keep me interested longterm. I also play this other "oldschool spaceship game" and if I compare both of them I really don't know why I should come back to DU.