Hazaatan
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6 hours ago, Osyraa said:
I try not to be negative because I love this game so much but this is really aggravating. Not only do we not have a time but the day itself is apparently still up for change? I'm literally calling out of work for this as I imagine many are, who have been waiting eight years. Not only that, but apparently they cant be asked to reply to us in this thread?
I am disappointed.
You are calling off work for this game, in its current form?? you deserve your frustration and disappointment
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This game is nothing more than a cash grab. Taking advantage of the normies and the gamers suffering from SFB.
NQ is cutting their losses and making back what they can and then milking this barren, lifeless, pay-to-wait, boring, non-sandbox sandbox game for the little it's worth.
The real entertainment will come from the reviews. Watching the white-knights try to defend this game from real criticism is going to be fun to watch.
P.S. all you plebs that said you where not going to play if there was a wipe... lol Looks like you're all still here, lol
/feelsbadman my saltiness comes from what could have been if the devs made an adventure game around the voxel building and industry, instead of treating the builders like the red headed step children and catering to the corporation and pvp players.
/RIP what-could-have-been-DU
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I love being that guy, so here we go. The excitement you feel is manufactured in you imagination, there is nothing wrong with that. But the game does not have the foundation, the pillars, or the game loops to turn your excitement into something real. You are flying high gents... good luck on the landing.
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Did they confirm Sub model and fee?
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16 hours ago, CptLoRes said:
This soooooo much. I am normally the chill dude that tries to be impartial and insert reason and facts into discussions.
But as a professional software developer it makes my blood boil having to watch NQ doing things 'their way'. And the saying "you reap what you sow" is very much deserved in this case.
Exactly! Just look at Valheim and V Rising. They are just re-skins of basic crafting/adventure games with their own unique changes. Those games are huge success stories. NQ is over here trying to reinvent the wheel at every turn, only to fail and fall back on.. time gating?? I'm baffled, just baffled. The only way to make sense of any of this, is they are cutting their losses and trying to milk the release for whatever they can recover.
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So, instead of adding actual fuel to industry, like every other factory game, NQ is turning schematics into fuel... The correct answer is right there, it's in every good factory game that I have ever played. It should have been generators leading up to reactors to give more elements to play with and manage...
This is a train wreck. I didn't think anything would surpass New World for the most epic-dumpster-fire-trainwreck of a release, but NQ is lining it up so DU has a really good shot at surpassing New World for the worst release.
And just like New World, the only thing more cringe than the train wreck itself, is the white knights that follow saying everything is fine.
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1 hour ago, Bobbie said:
Those who care about being surpassed by anyone, are the ones who want a wipe, and that's why they want it. New and old players alike.
The whole point is that it's a bogus reason for a wipe. And if the game survives it won't be because of that.
This is some pathetic attempt at reverse psychology...
Those who don't want a wipe are terrified of being surpassed be new players... See how stupid it sounds. It sounds stupid because no one has brought that argument to the table, until now... as some pathetic attempt at reverse psychology.
At least come here with something good. put some thought into it.
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20 hours ago, Cergorach said:
Mini games! For every product you want to produce, you require to complete a minigame, for every machine... 😉
All guessing games just to prevent any accidental fun.
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7 minutes ago, Bachiir said:
Ppl seem to forget that what you call cheating in most situations was made by players using the mechanics of the game, for me mission running for exemple was not a cheat since it was included in the game itself, not saying that nobody cheated but It is not a majority of players. I just feel that like you said we will lose all are work because of a minority of players
Finding a loop hole to get around the word cheating is low, really low. It's NQ fault for not taking away ill-gotten gains as soon as they happen, but it doesn't change the fact that you got something, or too much of something, when you shouldn't have. And all of those ill-gotten gains are gone with a wipe. Everything else we earned we will get back in a short time.
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2 minutes ago, Zeddrick said:
A lot of us don't think there will be many new players, that's why we think NQ should focus on keeping the ones they have instead of alienating them in a last gasp attempt to reboot the game.
This would be great, and I would agree, if the game wasn't dying. We are not enough to keep the game going, you have to understand that. That why NQ is preparing for release, to try and get more paying customers.
4 minutes ago, Zeddrick said:And if AH cornered, seal clubbing, etc is how you see the experience now, what do you think it will be like 4 weeks after launch. The casuals probably left with the wipe, now there are the hardcore players getting back into those things and a bunch of new ones who are providing the red meat.
This hasn't made sense all the other times it's been said.
If you will gain everything back after a wipe, why are you against it? The ill-gotten gains are the only thing we lose with a wipe.
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1 hour ago, Zarcata said:
I think of all the work I have done, at the same time all the time I have invested. Do other players do things better? Certainly! Does that affect how I play in a sandbox game with no objective? NO!
It doesn't matter if someone else has built 500 constructs and I have only 20. It doesn't matter if I have saved 20million and someone else has 500 billion. It doesn't have much of an impact on it being war deciding. Whether other players used 20 twink accounts or 20 players joined together to accomplish the same thing. (the 20 players are still stronger in PvP).It's a game without a goal, without a line to cross first. The one who runs the fastest is not first and gets a trophy. He is the first at the end, where boredom appears.
You keep talking about "most players are cheaters", is there a source or statement from NQ that would back up that statement?
I rather have the feeling that most players play fair, they also tend to play for themselves and are not negatively influenced by other players. There will always be cheaters, but it seems to be more of a minority that is not significant in the overall economy.You missed the last question: How is that better than starting over with no ill-gotten gains to try and save the game itself?
You may not realize that you're surrounded by cheaters, but you have to realize the game is dying.
You may not care about twinks, or cheating, but do you really think new players are going to be ok with it?
How could you be a legit player and not want to maximize saving the game? You realize, if the game shuts down, there is no game where you are surrounded by twinks so you can not care about it.
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1 hour ago, blazemonger said:
Do I think it's fair? no
Do I think you are massively overreacting in this matter? absolutely
Do I think your assumption of this occuring is excessive? yes
Do I believe NQ dropped the ball on acting in regards to exploiters? absolutely
Do I expect they had reasons for that? Yes, I am pretty sure the wipe was always going to happen which is what NQ knew and so they acted with that in mind (as far as they acted at all)
Does anything these exploiters did affect me personally? no, not at all and that is why, even when I belie it woudl be a mistake, if NQ were to not wipe I can live with that. The thing for me woudl be that by not doing awipe NQ would really only hurth their long term plans and potentially create reasons for loss of retention and possibly some bad press.
YOU will be ok with no wipe, I will be ok with no wipe, everyone who is playing now will be ok with no wipe. WE are all OP AF. Wea re all twinks at this point...
Why always about you? Why can't you focus on new players?
Try to be honest here: New player experience with the AH cornered, twinks, and seal clubbers from ill-gotten gains.. Good or bad experience for new players at launch?
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17 minutes ago, Zarcata said:
I didn't buy any wrong schemes, I don't have any twinks and I didn't do any other irregular things. So I worked out everything myself, spent many hours collecting ores, whether on planets or on asteroids. Then I always traded, bought cheap things, sold expensive on other markets.
And now? I am also against a wipe.
So, your ok with being surrounded be the 99% of players who cheated there way to the top? Think of all the work you did, then realize you were surpassed by cheaters who did one tenth of the work you did.
You don't have twinks, but you're ok with being surrounded by twinks, You didn't cheat but your ok with a game that is mostly cheaters... because you played legit? Does that make sense?
You are ok with those cheaters causing new players to leave, at launch?
You are ok with NQ catering the game to mostly cheaters, because you didn't cheat?
This all makes sense to you? How? What reasoning do you give yourself to play a game where you are one of the very few not cheating?
How is that better than starting over with no ill-gotten gains to try and save the game itself?
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4 minutes ago, CptLoRes said:
This has to break to be some kind of record for how fast someone can make their own post worthless..
How? Explain. Do the mean words hurt that much? If I take the mean words out, will you give me heart?
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7 hours ago, Leppard said:
Get lost sucker. I played this game for two years without ever using an exploit or glitch, did'nt buy the cheap schemata or used any other irregular moves for my gain. And there are many, many more who played within the rules and honestly. i may not have billions in cash, but surely billions in assets.
I'm strictly against a wipe and the main reason for this is trust. I will not pay a dime to a company which breaks all her promises.
No.
You conveniently left out using alts...
Your post is so selfish, that the odds of you being one of the legit players is miniscule. "Get lost sucker"? Legit players don't talk like this...
I would wager that if there are 300 of us playing, 1-5 players are playing legit. Those players are not coming to the forums to defend cheaters.
What you are suggesting, is that all the cheaters, the exploiters, the multiple account holders should get to keep their ill-gotten gains because you played legit and you want to keep your things, at the detriment of the game.... you are full of shit. This suggestion is so stupid it is beyond defense.
That is not how legit players act. Legit players get pissed off at cheaters. Never has there been a legit player surrounded by cheaters, come to defense of the cheaters. It is so out of character, that only a cheater would try to pass this behaver off as legit,
You're a liar, your post is a lie, and you're full of shit.
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22 minutes ago, SirJohn85 said:
No idea, as I expect a wipe. At least it would not make sense in my eyes to continue this way. When was the fiasco with the prices for the schematics? 2021? That had people screaming "Rollback!" but Nq didn't respond.
And while we're at it - remove the schematics. My nanoformer is smarter than the factory.That's one of those exploits that resulted in ill-gotten gains. Should have been corrected then, but I think even then NQ knew they would have to wipe and just let it play out.
The schematics are gone on release. The last letter confirms it.
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18 minutes ago, CptLoRes said:
Absolutely, that is what happens when someone tries to pretend that a game is beta when in reality it is still alpha.
And all the underlying problems are still there, waiting to rear their ugly head. Like for example the fact that the game does not even have the fundamental functions/pillars in place to make it a proper beta, and they are talking about a release...
100% this. The game is not ready. The basics have not even been mastered. Adding things instead of working on basics... who was asking for flotillas?
I think this will be another amazon: new world release, instead of a NMS release. Basically a train wreck.
25 minutes ago, CptLoRes said:So saying we need a wipe to "fix the game", makes little sense when we all know there will be many braking changes after 'release' if the game is ever going to have a chance.
And then you made it about your ill-gotten gains... No one said a wipe will fix the game, a wipe will maximize new player retention... NQ is thinking about money right now. Getting the builders back in the game and getting the cash flow back on.
Because the launch looks like it will be a disaster, you should be able to keep your TP and quanta? How does that make sense?
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1 hour ago, SirJohn85 said:
I can think of Fortnite (right, Fortnite. The Battle Royale mode came only half a year later!), also things like Eso (very bumpy start), GW2 (praised as the PvP / e-sport game, it then eventually changed the focus to PvE) and FF14 (driven against the wall because it was not contemporary at release). Very good that they have revised it).
21 minutes ago, blazemonger said:I'd say NMS proved you wrong.
And Albion online had a very shaky launch too.. now, 7 years later they stil up and running, doing fine.
In general I'd say it's more how well the studio deals wit hte inevitable issues at launch, not the event itself.
I think only NMS is valid here, but it is lightning in a bottle. They did an incredible job at recovering. The launch was still a disaster, and it crushed the game. How many games can come back from such a disaster? How long did it take to recover? Imagine if they had a good launch. I think we would all like to see DU be another NMS, but NMS is B2P. DU is going to monthly sub, and that doesn't sound good.
FF14 proves my point. That would be great for DU to go that route too, but they don't have that kind of money.
I don't know anything about Albion as I thought the game was stuck on low pop.
Changing game modes is like creating another game launch, as is expansions. WoW has been suffering from shitty expansion launches for a while now, only to fix the BS they had at launch to get players to come back.
Out of the games that you guys mentioned, which ones started with the markets already cornered, player already maxed out and OP, and players already billions ahead in game currency?
Can you imagine fortnight BR with twinks at launch?
Imagine FF14 relaunch with the AH dominates by wealthy players at launch.
Imagine GW2 having twinks at launch in BG's...
You know that would not have ended well. The players would have revolted, and a crippling amount of players would have rejected the games.
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1 minute ago, kulkija said:
After 1.5 years this situation will be exactly same. There will be super rich players versus new players.
How this situation can be resolved? New wipe every year ??At launch.. did you purposefully miss that part, or accidentally?
ill-gotten gains... did you purposefully miss that part, or accidentally?
When the game is healthy and going strong, it can afford to win some/lose some.
The most important part of any game is the launch, prove me wrong.
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14 hours ago, merihimRefin said:
Your argumentation is very flawed. Your quoted sentence proves only the "knowledge is advantage" part. The rest is just dogmatic opinion.
No it is not all dogmatic opinion, you know it's not.
You, and all the other 'no wipe', are just trying to protect your ill-gotten gains because that is the only thing you have left to argue over. You're not fooling anyone, we can see you. The excuses you come up with are so bad.
The current player base can not support the game, or their would be no wipe... Catering to a group that gives your game no chance of success is not good business. You have to cater to a group that gives you a chance.
Coming into a game where the twinkerbells have cornered the markets and grossly overpower the new players, at launch, is insane. That does not create a welcome atmosphere...
With a wipe, You will have a legit advantage in the game at launch with knowledge.
Why is your ill-gotten, massive, advantage more important than the health of the game?
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27 minutes ago, sHuRuLuNi said:
It hurts that this is so accurate...
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We just made a full circle and we are back to the beginning of wipe or no wipe... /smh
43 minutes ago, CptLoRes said:After a full wipe any org who still can be bothered to remain active is going to be scanning and mining key planets and dominating asteroids in a couple of days, control alien cores after a week and claim key territories faster then you can say "quanta cash flow funnel".
This proves the wipe to be valid and that knowledge is advantage enough. Then the next paragraph tries to defend no wipe...
52 minutes ago, CptLoRes said:So ANY perceived fairness or level playground gained from a full wipe is nothing but an illusion, since all it does it make the game harder (and boring) to start for newbs with no existing player infrastructure to discovery and lean on, and easier for large orgs to correct past mistakes and use their experience and numbers to gain dominance.
Twinking and seal clubbing are a negative to player retention. Doesn't matter what skin you put o it.
Difficult for new players because there are no twinks? how? that's such a bizarre thing to say.
Boring? I wasn't bored when I started playing, and I avoided all of you. In fact, the reason we got .23 is because all of us builders and small group players were ignoring all of the 'billionaires'.. we were having fun. Them, not so much.
You don't think new builders want to be involved in building a new world, so their things can be discovered by later players?
52 minutes ago, CptLoRes said:And all this just so that a few dedicated players get to feel special for a short while (at the expense of people who has been supporting the game for years) until it is back to normal, and new players will be in the exact same position as they are today when joining the game.
All of this is to SAVE THE GAME. The game is DYING and needs to maximize new players... NQ is min/maxing new player retention, just like we min/max our toons. +5 STR doesn't mean much on gloves, but when you put it on all your gear it starts making a noticeable difference and that's why we do it. Maxing out new players is the most important thing right now.
Knowledge is advantage enough... you said it in your first paragraph.
Can we talk about the systems in the current game that feel like more work than fun?
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What gives you confidence that NQ can pull this off, or what gives you lack of confidence?
The devs need to pay attention and learn from other more experienced Dev teams when it comes to Community and player communication. ( A open letter to NQ)
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The devs don't bother to communicate with their cattle. They never have, do not now, and never will. They feed the cattle and leave before the moo's start.