JaegerWolfgang

Yeah, the name Sanctuary moon suddenly got a new meaning. It will now be filled with DU veteran refugees storing their assets in case they want to some day return to the game.

The whole idea of Beta-Soft launch was to enable players to create content before 1.0 launch.
That were basically that we players did work in favor for NQ creating content for their game. Nice thank you, these new taxes.
 
How this need to move assets to Sanctuary or space fit into that.
 
- Call To Action – Say NO to territory taxes - 

I have 3 accounts to cover a modest spread of skills, I love to tinker in the game, I am a builder by heart and abhor the destructive aspect of PvP. l logged into PTS and after looking around I canceled all three of my accounts not so much due to the changes (aside from taxes, while the idea is sound, those are just stupid expensive) but more so as to where the update indicated the game was going.
 
In short no content, just PvP and PvP is just lazy ... DU knows this, it's why all of their structures are invulnerable and messing with them is the quickest way to get booted from the game but anything a player created is fair game ... double standard much?
 
On another note, personally I will often spend hours in game looking at an immense treasure trove of player created art, there really are some amazing pieces laying around. Unfortunately nearly all of these examples will soon be wiped out. I understand why taxes are needed but damn this change will destroy so much of what makes this game great. <looking at you IC Spaceport and D4rk Castle>

I have 3 accounts to cover a modest spread of skills, I love to tinker in the game, I am a builder by heart and abhor the destructive aspect of PvP. l logged into PTS and after looking around I canceled all three of my accounts not so much due to the changes (aside from taxes, while the idea is sound, those are just stupid expensive) but more so as to where the update indicated the game was going.
 
In short no content, just PvP and PvP is just lazy ... DU knows this, it's why all of their structures are invulnerable and messing with them is the quickest way to get booted from the game but anything a player created is fair game ... double standard much?
 
On another note, personally I will often spend hours in game looking at an immense treasure trove of player created art, there really are some amazing pieces laying around. Unfortunately nearly all of these examples will soon be wiped out. I understand why taxes are needed but damn this change will destroy so much of what makes this game great. <looking at you IC Spaceport and D4rk Castle>

I have 3 accounts to cover a modest spread of skills, I love to tinker in the game, I am a builder by heart and abhor the destructive aspect of PvP. l logged into PTS and after looking around I canceled all three of my accounts not so much due to the changes (aside from taxes, while the idea is sound, those are just stupid expensive) but more so as to where the update indicated the game was going.
 
In short no content, just PvP and PvP is just lazy ... DU knows this, it's why all of their structures are invulnerable and messing with them is the quickest way to get booted from the game but anything a player created is fair game ... double standard much?
 
On another note, personally I will often spend hours in game looking at an immense treasure trove of player created art, there really are some amazing pieces laying around. Unfortunately nearly all of these examples will soon be wiped out. I understand why taxes are needed but damn this change will destroy so much of what makes this game great. <looking at you IC Spaceport and D4rk Castle>

I have 3 accounts to cover a modest spread of skills, I love to tinker in the game, I am a builder by heart and abhor the destructive aspect of PvP. l logged into PTS and after looking around I canceled all three of my accounts not so much due to the changes (aside from taxes, while the idea is sound, those are just stupid expensive) but more so as to where the update indicated the game was going.
 
In short no content, just PvP and PvP is just lazy ... DU knows this, it's why all of their structures are invulnerable and messing with them is the quickest way to get booted from the game but anything a player created is fair game ... double standard much?
 
On another note, personally I will often spend hours in game looking at an immense treasure trove of player created art, there really are some amazing pieces laying around. Unfortunately nearly all of these examples will soon be wiped out. I understand why taxes are needed but damn this change will destroy so much of what makes this game great. <looking at you IC Spaceport and D4rk Castle>

No, I want the ability to pay for the things I have, without having to play annoying mini-games, and own 36 auto-miners to run a simple factory. 

I want a mission system that can't be exploited by having 20 alts AFKing and VRing into missions by limiting the number of mission packages a core can hold.

I want the players building the "civilization" to define the economy, not have it sucked away by an invisible entity with no gain. 

I want the developers to listen to the majority of people who have said at the current rate of tax and ore collection, this is a bad idea and is going to lead to less people enjoying and playing the game. Rather than the two or three people that align with their idea of "We do what we want and you'll get over it".

I want a new player to be able to log in and not feel like they are stuck on Sanctuary surface mining, mindlessly clicking ores like it's Cookie Clicker and not Dual Universe, to be able to pay for the over-priced components to build decent ships, that don't look like works of art covered in brake stickers.

That's what I want.

What do YOU want? Besides paying a useless tax.

haven't really played since industry update.   but have been logging in daily to check skill queue.  I own 1 tile on sanc moon, 1 on aiolith.  just been waiting for pve stuff to be implemented.. (hate pvp)  if this territory tax goes in.. in ANY amount of quanta I am gone and will never check back.  mining change is crap, I sorta like hand mining I don't want a damn ore ATM.    industry change really put a dent in my will to play..   this change IS THE LAST NAIL. 

It is NQ:s game designers and their weird believes about what is fun is what will kill this game.
 
- Call To Action – Say NO to territory taxes - 

Territory taxes will kill this game.

- Call To Action – Say NO to territory taxes - 

Scans are NOT still good. watch the podcast

Incorrect, current plan is scans on live server will be updated to correct values once Demeter hits. So stand up and say no too this!

each major patch seems to be put together in a rush, nothing seems to be thought through, and everything thing is considered from the "end game" perspective where you have millions of quantas and you've done everything and need more troubles to stay interested.

The huge change to the industry simply sent off half of the player base out over night and they have no intent to come back. Constant screw up regarding pvp exploits and wrong decisions are pushing more people out. These new changes will simply put a nail in the coffin of a game that is in a really bad shape.

The tax on tile makes no sense whatsover. If you are a little artisan like me you do simple stuff for their beauty not for the pvp nor the greed of constantly selling. I make very little money in the game and I have 7m in my wallet. I own 4 tiles. I don't even own half of what my tiles will cost me per month. This is ridiculous.
 
The message in the video stating that tile tax numbers where not real and just place holders... That was straight up a lie.

The mining units will never cover the need one has to pay for all the taxes in the game. The mini game is completely borked. Each use of a charge is a waste of time.
 
Game designer should really stick their head out and stopped getting stubornely idiotic in their decision.
 
I agree 100% with Hagbard. This patch is the death of the game in its current state.

100% agree with everything Hagbard said. This patch will kill this game!!
 

Ok, usually i am not negative but the balance of Demeter on the PTS server has some severe problems.
 
1. Territory costs of 1m per week:
this will lead to almost nobody claiming any tiles any more outside of the sanc moon unless the territory can produce some serious income. so all "player made content" will disappear after some time
 
2. Scanning results do not get deleted and show l/h for mining units
this will lead to ALL really valuable tiles being claimed within the first 24h after demeter goes live, as it is really easy to identify  the most powerful tiles for mining units if you have containers full with scanner results.
so after day 1, the fun is over and the "mega tiles" will be claimed by those players/orgs that have all the existing scans.
 
NQ, as demeter is balanced on the PTS, it would kill the game if it goes to the live server
 
- New players some days later would not have a chance to find income opportunities despite missions.
- earning quanta will be a lot harder, so people would stop spending.. this would kill industrialists workflow.
- the imbalance between experienced players/orgs and new players would get worse and even more players would demand a wipe or simply not enjoy the game

please reconsider your decisions.

Hagbard.


 

i'm ok with territory taxes... but would opt for incremental tax depending on the number of owned territories.
but the whole mining unit system has the problem that the tiles with the valuable l/h will be claimed in no time. so the workflow will be useless for all players joining in the future