Kongou

This is NOT the thing they have been working hard on, I was just feeling like doodling something. I know, i suck lol forgive me
 

 
again, it doesn't mean anything I was just killing some time and playing with tools
just tell me if you want me to take it down or something

Personally I feel games going the F2P (let's nickle and dime everyone to death) route is taking the soul out of MMOs. Any game that used to be sub and has gone F2P I've been unable to stick with. I would rather a sub with a solid gaming experience behind it.

We could always make a train that looks like a turtle? 
 
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It's all right, your concerns are valid.
 
The conditions of the failing rate of Subscription based games are more to do with market trends and business decisions by companies themselves.
They sink a ton of money into game development and when various behind the scenes factors are not satisfied with the performance of the product, they pull the plug and demand MORE MONEY!
 
Dual universe and Novaquark are specifically avoiding the back room drama, for DU at least, put on by big publishers and stocks bonds and investors, because they don't want to be pressured legally into switching the games payment method.
 
This way JC Baillie gets to judge whether or not Dual Universe is successful or not. He might be pleased with 50,000-100,000 active subscribers and consider the project a good long term investment, a big publisher would laugh at that and shut down the servers.
 
Another special factor for Dual Universe is the single shard technology, we dont have to worry about Server population collapse and mergers, which always upset a large number of people. In Dual you dont have to fear a low pop server merge and losing your character name, or guild. It lives on, forver as long as JC wills it and JC loves robotics and he loves Novaquark, he hasnt spent half a decade invested on this to turn around and say in his french accent "Yes we tried but we dont care anymore, hell with it."
 
Also, being a social pvp sandbox, the generation of content is different than in a regular rollercoaster theme park. In Dual you explore the world, you build your character from the many possible options. You find people interested in things that you are also interested in.
A game like wild star, you get into the cart and you ride along the tracks the developers make out for you. They tell you what factions you can be in, what weapons you use, what race you can be or cant be. Everything is a pre defined option.
 
This game, this game specifically, has potential to break free from the market depression games have experienced. 
 
As far as the people that have negative experience, yes it is true, but you cannot capture every fish in the sea no matter how big a net you cast.

It's all right, your concerns are valid.
 
The conditions of the failing rate of Subscription based games are more to do with market trends and business decisions by companies themselves.
They sink a ton of money into game development and when various behind the scenes factors are not satisfied with the performance of the product, they pull the plug and demand MORE MONEY!
 
Dual universe and Novaquark are specifically avoiding the back room drama, for DU at least, put on by big publishers and stocks bonds and investors, because they don't want to be pressured legally into switching the games payment method.
 
This way JC Baillie gets to judge whether or not Dual Universe is successful or not. He might be pleased with 50,000-100,000 active subscribers and consider the project a good long term investment, a big publisher would laugh at that and shut down the servers.
 
Another special factor for Dual Universe is the single shard technology, we dont have to worry about Server population collapse and mergers, which always upset a large number of people. In Dual you dont have to fear a low pop server merge and losing your character name, or guild. It lives on, forver as long as JC wills it and JC loves robotics and he loves Novaquark, he hasnt spent half a decade invested on this to turn around and say in his french accent "Yes we tried but we dont care anymore, hell with it."
 
Also, being a social pvp sandbox, the generation of content is different than in a regular rollercoaster theme park. In Dual you explore the world, you build your character from the many possible options. You find people interested in things that you are also interested in.
A game like wild star, you get into the cart and you ride along the tracks the developers make out for you. They tell you what factions you can be in, what weapons you use, what race you can be or cant be. Everything is a pre defined option.
 
This game, this game specifically, has potential to break free from the market depression games have experienced. 
 
As far as the people that have negative experience, yes it is true, but you cannot capture every fish in the sea no matter how big a net you cast.

Astrum/Ryoko are not in BOO unfortunately, though that may change in the future. Currently it's myself and a few others who are here from COPS. Unfortunate, but I'll just consider it "losing some fat". 
 
Project Tortuga will be fun for sure. I wasn't planning on doing any real planning until Alpha releases so that I know what I am working with. 
 
It would be interesting to see if we can do a treasure hunt of sorts, but too soon to really plan that until a little after release. But I certainly do like the idea.

I know who to contact to smuggle me into your guys territory for secret meetings ...
 
hah... Hah... Astro!!!!! were gonna have to wipes everyone's memory again.

I mean, any request with enough money involved... well, we can consider our options.
 
 
1 - Yeah we were talking about the gaming activities with the community. Still need to settle on some options, but Empyrion seemed like a viable candidate. Yama said he'd host the server if we go with it which is just fine. Would probably be ideal if we wait until after the Gamescom presentation before we get ahead of ourselves. Help us see how large the community will be afterwards you know?
 
2 - I have been juggling with this idea for two weeks now and would love to see this happen. A 100% neutral port of safe harbor for anyone to take refuge in, sell goods, fence goods, anything. Tortuga seems like a perfect name (considering the names history). I plan to try to encourage BOO to build it, but I won't say no any outside help. We can certainly make it a community project.
 
3 - If the money is good, someone with less than good intentions will always take the offer.

I think perhaps he was going more for, you drive up close and then it magic beams over to the other entities cargo containers. not necessarily long distance market transfers.
 
I'm really down for this idea, even if the devs dont do it, it follows the basic principles i deal with every day.
 
Bring a loaded cargo container to a place, set it down, pick up an empty cargo container next to it.
 
If you ran a company in the game that bought a ton of iron, you could contract a logistics company. have them bring their Logistics company cargo containers to your base and set it down in a specific spot, automate a crane to move it to a transfer terminal.
that first driver will have to leave empty with no container, but the company undoubtedly has more somewhere he can go get.
when the next guy comes to bring a container, the first cargo pod """should""" be waiting empty, all he has to to is drop it where the iron company wants, and take his empty pod away.
 
The contracts are all handled top level, all that driver has to do is worry about getting that raw iron or whatever to the landing pad.
 
You are also correct, the tech will come and not everyone will share its secrets. Some of it will be defunct and crash into the landing pads. but eventually someone will get one that works well and itll be worth a lot.

I think perhaps he was going more for, you drive up close and then it magic beams over to the other entities cargo containers. not necessarily long distance market transfers.
 
I'm really down for this idea, even if the devs dont do it, it follows the basic principles i deal with every day.
 
Bring a loaded cargo container to a place, set it down, pick up an empty cargo container next to it.
 
If you ran a company in the game that bought a ton of iron, you could contract a logistics company. have them bring their Logistics company cargo containers to your base and set it down in a specific spot, automate a crane to move it to a transfer terminal.
that first driver will have to leave empty with no container, but the company undoubtedly has more somewhere he can go get.
when the next guy comes to bring a container, the first cargo pod """should""" be waiting empty, all he has to to is drop it where the iron company wants, and take his empty pod away.
 
The contracts are all handled top level, all that driver has to do is worry about getting that raw iron or whatever to the landing pad.
 
You are also correct, the tech will come and not everyone will share its secrets. Some of it will be defunct and crash into the landing pads. but eventually someone will get one that works well and itll be worth a lot.

quoting for prosperity reasons

I know who to contact to smuggle me into your guys territory for secret meetings ...
 
hah... Hah... Astro!!!!! were gonna have to wipes everyone's memory again.

Well very appropriately, some new container models were released this week by the devs
 
They're perhaps not the massive cargo containers that you all are discussing here...but maybe they do compress matter 
 

I had an interesting discussion with Yamamushi via discord today about cargo containers and cargo and how they would be handled in the game.  This also ties in with how ships might dock to one another.  Mostly this is a bunch of questions and speculation, but here goes.
We were thinking about how cargo will be moved around, and wondering if it would make sense to have it stay in the cargo containers rather than being piped around like in Space Engineers.  We both agreed that it would make more sense for the cargo to stay in the containers and have a system for swapping out the containers on cargo vessels rather than having magic pipes.  One possible RP explanation for this is the storage method that compresses the matter, as is described in the various story episodes in the devblogs.  The container is the vessel that holds the matter in it's compressed state, and in order to remove the matter it would have to be reconstituted to it's original structure.  This would make trading a bit easier as well, because instead of trading ore or raw metal by the kilo or cubic meter or whatever, you just trade it by the cargo container.  It also makes it important that the cargo containers remain powered, lest they lose containment and make a big mess.  If this is a feature, I would suggest that as well as not being powered they should have to sustain a certain amount of damage to go poof.
In a similar vein, there should be some cargo that is more unstable than others, for instance certain types of fuel that are more efficient should have higher power requirements to maintain containment. 

Oh that's a good idea too! Since we don't know how the FF (Friend or Foe) systems will work in game, having to hire an outside of org. (yet trusted) smuggler to help you get where you need to be undetected might be a way to get some of those sneaky ins and outs taken care of.
 
I'm really curious and wonder if stealth tech on your own org. Black Ops ships would be more "stealthy" than say a local "traders" cargo hold? Just thinking along the lines of when a rival org. is made an enemy, how a ship might be red flagged, vs. a neutral cargo ship that would have to be found and scanned per se? Of course, outsourcing a Death Squad mission (as Cpt.Twerkmotor mentioned) would have to have a smuggler of exceptional discretion and reputation. I can imagine some players selling out the "cargo" , and delivering them right to the rival org. for a quick payday, lol. If something like this becomes possible, I would love to play as reputable, gets it done right the first time type smuggler for just such occasions.
 
Course, moving: nacro, weapons, and "outlawed" goods (as have been mentioned in this and other posts), could be my side job while waiting for those more lucrative "deliveries". 
 
Glad you like the sig!   

Hey friends, this looks promising! Go Go BOO!
 
Band of Outlaws is sure to be a fun, action packed organisation. Cybrex and any other leaders they may have, are undoubtedly going to treat you very nicely!
 
I hope we can work out cooperative deals, I have a couple things in mind already~
 
1.) I hope we can find some games for the DU community at large to play while we wait, possibly setup some match making somehow to find peoples to play with, or spar against.
 
2.) I was wondering how you all might feel about a CO-OP city or station, mostly for pirates, mercs, smugglers or other shadowy peoples. The name Tortuga came to mind, that was always one of my favorite city names from Pirate of the Burning Sea, plus Tortuga 'Turtle' Station is just cool, but Id be open to whatever, just an idea if you thought a neutral zone haven might be cool, sell off your looted goods to traders and return the goods back to the market.
 
3.) You... know, a certain organisation might need to hire organised raiders to shake the status quo up from time to time...
 
Uhhh what... I mean I love peace, yeah, yeah rainbows, skittles, peace!
 
If there's something I can do to help you compatriots out shoot me a message, regardless of my position.   P.S. Ryoko, nice Girls und Panzer icon, if thats not GnP lemme know i like the style.

Shameless bump. Ex-pirate though I may be, I still want to see outlaws of all varieties ruling the roost! Jump on in pirates, privateers, scallywags, bounty hunters and all those in between!
 
Have fun

Hmm, wonder if I'm the only person who thought of smuggling players? IE, helping to sneak rival organization members into enemy controlled territory for loads of joy.
 
On topic: I love the idea of being able to smuggle contraband (vote 21 for narco!). Though, I don't know how I feel about stat modifiers as I would hope this game doesn't turn into a magic potion by another name sort of thing. That being said, I do like the negative consequences ideas being put forth, but do have similar questions (as many before me) about how we might actually make something illegal. No NPC cops to enforce anything, and I can't see why an organization would bother trying to stop players from moving said substances.
 
Who knows, maybe smuggling in this universe might just entail sales of goods inside another organizations territory, somehow bypassing their tax system? I can see an org. getting really upset about something like that as it would directly cut into their profits. Black market, tax free goods from a rival org/character, lol. Maybe out the back of a ship, behind said rivals market building? In and out, quick sales to screw with the opposition org's economy, lol. 

Hey friends, this looks promising! Go Go BOO!
 
Band of Outlaws is sure to be a fun, action packed organisation. Cybrex and any other leaders they may have, are undoubtedly going to treat you very nicely!
 
I hope we can work out cooperative deals, I have a couple things in mind already~
 
1.) I hope we can find some games for the DU community at large to play while we wait, possibly setup some match making somehow to find peoples to play with, or spar against.
 
2.) I was wondering how you all might feel about a CO-OP city or station, mostly for pirates, mercs, smugglers or other shadowy peoples. The name Tortuga came to mind, that was always one of my favorite city names from Pirate of the Burning Sea, plus Tortuga 'Turtle' Station is just cool, but Id be open to whatever, just an idea if you thought a neutral zone haven might be cool, sell off your looted goods to traders and return the goods back to the market.
 
3.) You... know, a certain organisation might need to hire organised raiders to shake the status quo up from time to time...
 
Uhhh what... I mean I love peace, yeah, yeah rainbows, skittles, peace!
 
If there's something I can do to help you compatriots out shoot me a message, regardless of my position.   P.S. Ryoko, nice Girls und Panzer icon, if thats not GnP lemme know i like the style.

Hey friends, this looks promising! Go Go BOO!
 
Band of Outlaws is sure to be a fun, action packed organisation. Cybrex and any other leaders they may have, are undoubtedly going to treat you very nicely!
 
I hope we can work out cooperative deals, I have a couple things in mind already~
 
1.) I hope we can find some games for the DU community at large to play while we wait, possibly setup some match making somehow to find peoples to play with, or spar against.
 
2.) I was wondering how you all might feel about a CO-OP city or station, mostly for pirates, mercs, smugglers or other shadowy peoples. The name Tortuga came to mind, that was always one of my favorite city names from Pirate of the Burning Sea, plus Tortuga 'Turtle' Station is just cool, but Id be open to whatever, just an idea if you thought a neutral zone haven might be cool, sell off your looted goods to traders and return the goods back to the market.
 
3.) You... know, a certain organisation might need to hire organised raiders to shake the status quo up from time to time...
 
Uhhh what... I mean I love peace, yeah, yeah rainbows, skittles, peace!
 
If there's something I can do to help you compatriots out shoot me a message, regardless of my position.   P.S. Ryoko, nice Girls und Panzer icon, if thats not GnP lemme know i like the style.

Hey friends, this looks promising! Go Go BOO!
 
Band of Outlaws is sure to be a fun, action packed organisation. Cybrex and any other leaders they may have, are undoubtedly going to treat you very nicely!
 
I hope we can work out cooperative deals, I have a couple things in mind already~
 
1.) I hope we can find some games for the DU community at large to play while we wait, possibly setup some match making somehow to find peoples to play with, or spar against.
 
2.) I was wondering how you all might feel about a CO-OP city or station, mostly for pirates, mercs, smugglers or other shadowy peoples. The name Tortuga came to mind, that was always one of my favorite city names from Pirate of the Burning Sea, plus Tortuga 'Turtle' Station is just cool, but Id be open to whatever, just an idea if you thought a neutral zone haven might be cool, sell off your looted goods to traders and return the goods back to the market.
 
3.) You... know, a certain organisation might need to hire organised raiders to shake the status quo up from time to time...
 
Uhhh what... I mean I love peace, yeah, yeah rainbows, skittles, peace!
 
If there's something I can do to help you compatriots out shoot me a message, regardless of my position.   P.S. Ryoko, nice Girls und Panzer icon, if thats not GnP lemme know i like the style.

Hey friends, this looks promising! Go Go BOO!
 
Band of Outlaws is sure to be a fun, action packed organisation. Cybrex and any other leaders they may have, are undoubtedly going to treat you very nicely!
 
I hope we can work out cooperative deals, I have a couple things in mind already~
 
1.) I hope we can find some games for the DU community at large to play while we wait, possibly setup some match making somehow to find peoples to play with, or spar against.
 
2.) I was wondering how you all might feel about a CO-OP city or station, mostly for pirates, mercs, smugglers or other shadowy peoples. The name Tortuga came to mind, that was always one of my favorite city names from Pirate of the Burning Sea, plus Tortuga 'Turtle' Station is just cool, but Id be open to whatever, just an idea if you thought a neutral zone haven might be cool, sell off your looted goods to traders and return the goods back to the market.
 
3.) You... know, a certain organisation might need to hire organised raiders to shake the status quo up from time to time...
 
Uhhh what... I mean I love peace, yeah, yeah rainbows, skittles, peace!
 
If there's something I can do to help you compatriots out shoot me a message, regardless of my position.   P.S. Ryoko, nice Girls und Panzer icon, if thats not GnP lemme know i like the style.

BOO IS ACTIVELY RECRUITING PLAYERS AND ORGANIZATIONS
 
BOO WEBSITE LINK
 
BAND OF OUTLAWS COMMUNITY PORTAL LINK
 
A WORD FROM OUR FANS (LINK)
 
Discord: https://discord.gg/mhAaKmA
 
________________________________________________________________________   WHO ARE WE?  
Band of Outlaws is a growing community of gamer's within Dual Universe. Our goal when the game launches is to provide a community environment for all play styles. While our theme and preference leans towards the renegades and outlaws, we are also happy to accept traders, builders, and anything else in between. We want to encourage everyone in Dual Universe who has a heart for a sense of community and gaming to join us, whether as individuals or with your own group. Either way, we have a growing support network that anyone can benefit from.
 
We understand games can be hard to commit to, and acknowledge the fact that people have lives outside of the internet. We won't force you to do anything, the only thing we want you to do is to have fun and play the game your way, hopefully with us among friends. 
 
 
________________________________________________________________________
 
THE PLAN:
 
Band of Outlaws wants to create a community for those who wish to play out their inner rebel, whether that be through pirating, smuggling, being a mercenary, a bounty hunter, and everything else in between. That is just a small portion of what our community is going to accomplish, as we have been steadily growing in several other games such as Battlefield 1, Conan Exiles, and several more. We want members to join a family of fellow, like minded internet nerds than just some faction in a singular game.
 
That said, we certainly plan to have Dual Universe as our focus when the game launches, and we have several projects in our development pipeline for our community to participate in when the time comes. I'll list an example of such below.
 
• Project Tortuga: Band of Outlaws plans to accomplish many tasks within Dual Universe with the help of volunteers within our community. We want to create a safe haven for outlaws like you and I, and are planning to construct a free port away from prying organizations who seek to control everything. Dubbed "Project Tortuga", our free port will be available for anyone to use, not just the Band of Outlaws. This project has also been extended to the greater Dual Universe community, and with the help of the Band of Outlaws, we can all have a place to call home.
 
_________________________________________________________
 
 
THE OVERVIEW:
 
 
• Primary language: English primarily.   • Time zone: We accept anyone from around the globe.   • Goal:  To create a support network for players in DU, providing benefits for mercenaries, bounty hunters, you name it. We plan to have several internal services established to let you play out your character in DU. Also, blow things up and make money.      _________________________________________________________   WHAT CAN BAND OF OUTLAWS PROVIDE FOR YOU?
 
• Security in numbers: Our safety network will you keep you and your assets safe.   • Community: We have a vast network of players with a wide array of goals in the game, we all support each other in and outside of the game world.   • Trade: We plan to have a vast trade network, where you can get the best deals by being in Band of Outlaws.   • PVP: BOO will need to protect its assets, and we plan to be very aggressive. We will teach you how to fight, and provide you with the ships to do so.   • PVE: We're not sure how PVE will be in the game, but we certainly plan to be apart of it as we know many players may not want to do PVP.   • Exploring: There is a big galaxy out there, so of course we're going to explore it!     _________________________________________________________  
WHAT OTHER SERVICES DO BAND OF OUTLAWS PROVIDE?
 
• A discord server that is managed 24/7 with hundreds of members playing various games. 
 
• Website/Forums to hang out with other BOO members. (WIP)
 
• An actual gaming community of internet nerds, with the number one focus being fun. This family is open to all. 
 
• A chance to help create something unique and inspiring. Come make history with us!
 
_________________________________________________________
 
HOW DO WE OPERATE?
 
Band of Outlaws is not out to be the next mega corporation with an umbrella controlling every sub-organization within our community. We operate under a general community management system with our Managers and Moderators doing all of the admin work so everyone else can enjoy whatever game we are playing.
 
Within the context of Dual Universe, right now our management for this game is open ended until the game launches and we can see where we need certain positions filled. 
 
_________________________________________________________
 
DBAD CLAUSE - RULE:
 
Band of Outlaws will not drag you down with rule after rule. To sum up how we expect members to behave - don’t be a dick. We’re all here to have fun, and there is no reason to be rude to each other. This includes flaming, hate speech, starting drama etc. Let’s act like grown men and women. This also extends to how members are expected to act towards other organizations/communities. Be respectful, regardless of affiliations.
 
 
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INTERESTED?
 
We are always looking to recruit new players, or organizations within the Band of Outlaws. If living the outlaw life is for you, then this is the best alliance to be apart of. We encourage you to apply immediately, and be apart of the greatest organization made for rebels and outlaws like you. Below will list minor details to help you when you apply to Band of Outlaws.
 
• Applying by yourself as a player? Simply head on over to our community portal and submit an application. Your application will be reviewed, and a voice interview with yourself before we finalize your enrollment. This is simply to make sure we can maintain some sense of security within Band of Outlaws, and that we can both get to know each other and be sure that not only you would be a good fit for us, but that we would be a good fit for you. If you are interested, just apply on our community portal - Band of Outlaws Portal Link
 
• Applying as an organization? We are always looking for other player organizations to join the Band of Outlaws alliance. Being a member of our alliance has benefits that are listed in this post above. Among those, you will benefit mainly from a wide market audience and support network. Band of Outlaws members and organizations are forbidden from openly attacking each other. We are all allies here with the same idea, and we want you to be apart of that. Simply send a private message to Cybrex, and negotiations will be made. 
 
If you have any questions regarding Band of Outlaws, please contact Cybrex.
 
 
 
 
BAND OF OUTLAWS COMMUNITY PORTAL LINK

what have you done people. why must we do this (click the vimeo button to go to the website if you want full screen)