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  1. OP: Don't buy it then at this time = your answer. As to Crowdfunding, it does fall under Consumer Protection as with any other transaction - however that still applies a "Caveat Emptor" principle thus the CONDITIONS of purchase should be investigated by the potential customer BEFORE any purchase. If there is a degree of uncertainty on suitability then DON't PURCHASE. This is probably applicable to Software which is stated to not be ready for general public release eg ALPHA status. As to refunds, likewise - read what the vendor has stipulated on this subject - go to their sources for guidance on this. Really these sorts of threads should be put into a FAQ and so any such threads be deleted and sent there. Pointless opinion swapping without resource to correct process as above.
  2. One topic that has had a few fly-bys is: Player-Made and then Player-Run Cities. So the questions are: 1. Will Players make cities? 2. Apart from the architectural challenge, 3. Apart from the decorative display, 4. Apart from the social gathering behaviour, 5. What else is a reason for players to make cities? 6. Will cities be protected thus able to grow (from PvP)? 7. Normally a city develops due to functional reasons: * A Trade Centre * A combination of Useful Services to people * Commute distance of people to their work places * Development of layers of social and civic management to organize a city Namely a city solves a lot of problems (efficiency) but atst creates new ones that need resolving (infrastructure etc). So looking at points 2-4 there are VISUAL reasons to make cities. However what will be the functional reasons for cities? Will they be protected zones where Industry-Crafting and the Like can be created next to player housing? That would seem one functional possible reason. Perhaps cities would be very impressive for recruiting new players if a city has lots of features of interest apart from safety eg a complex tutorial district or advertisement of services/orgs/jobs/markets? If a city becomes popular would it involve a tax system or rent system? As well as guarantees of safety of property and possessions? Looking at other MMOs which did cities such as SWG the entertainment factor. For example nightclubs perhaps a bit like a spacestation such as Afterlife from Mass Effect? These are all questions on this topic to initiate some discussion. One of the major reasons for cities would be as a major resource sink in the economic perspective of DU. But that assumes a need and hence demand for materials sent to cities. Otherwise conversely, why hawl tons of material into a gravity well when it could be cached in space and more easily distributed without fuel-costs fighting gravity (as well as inertia)? From an external advertisement point of view a few majestic cities (curios even) would be appealing and attractive for potential new players.
  3. Winning = Increasing Understanding. In that sense for each player it is subjective. In the sense of comparing players, it is relative.
  4. @xlDvSlx @DvS_UK You both have failed to structure a coherent argument. Your writing is interlaced with emotional noise. Could I request that either or both of you, provide a summary of your arguments in clear statments. It would help if you can remove your emotional issues as it would be clearer to understand your arguments then. If so, thank you. Point of order: Please use correct form to argue otherwise it is polluted by too much "noise". Please avoid "over-familiarity" in your language, "appelations" such as "oi mate!" are petty attention-seeking indicators. Please remove these to make your arguments clearer. I would like to understand your arguments as I think you raise some interesting points about the monetization of Dual Universe. The above are provided as pointers to help you achieve this result. I will strike out on a limb and try nonetheless to follow the incoherent ramblings you have both produced, however: 1. You deem subscriptions to be an acceptable PAYMENT MODEL. 2. You deem MTX for "skins" etc to be acceptable additional REVENUE STREAMS. 3. You deem DACs to lead to P2W as it involves direct cash for in-game currency. You make a lot of invisible assumptions about context around these points however and exhibit a narrow view without using appropriate terminology: These need to be addressed before you can proceed with your arguments. The main gist of your argument is of the kind: "All life eventually degenerates hence cancer cells; therefore all life is cancer!" The rest of the language you use is juvenile and cannot be taken seriously until the above are addressed. For recommendation: Please elaborate on point 3 above as well as consider a wider context as well. Then your arguments can be taken seriously and usefully discussed. Until then it is classified as rambling from any random comment in any random forum and hence noise to be ignored. Finally, as it stands I don't dispute the gist of your argument that P2W in some form is implicit in the the use of DACs. But you've not even done the basics in reference to WHY it was in some senses successful solution for EVE, before elaborating further!
  5. The immediate value is very apparent to me: 1. I've never seen a comparable MMO with such "VAST 3D-ness". I honestly cannot think of another MMO with that sense of gigantic space all around, instead of a 2d plane to traverse. 2. I'm assuming there will be high numbers able to play in a shared locality that again I've always found other MMOs flunk at irrespective of advertising at being able to do this eg large battles. 3. This does not appeal to me personally, but I am estimating that the voxel "minecrafting-just-one-more-blockalizing...before bed," addictive/creative gameplay will explode for other players in a big way. 4. Put all those together. What I think this will translate to is stored gameplay sessions over time and thus when you play I am hoping some real accumulation of your time invested before benefiting your current play sessions (more and moreso). A lot of MMOs have suggested this but in my experience, I've never actually played an MMO that really delivered this to a realistically experienced degree. So I think DU will go places. The bit that appeals to me is just to be a grunt in someone else's war and pvp on planets, spacestations and space battles! But with the prior background making the pvp not mindless one-offs but all part of a long saga/story. It's not the pvp combat per se, but the quality of stories it generates given fun moments chained together. Seeing an enormous ship either destroyed or hijacked alone sparkles with such quality potential for example. On all that basis it is worth a sub: Doubly so as such a game world would be more rewarding than the sterile trope filled, sci-fi movies from say Hollywood. Interesting to wonder if such a game might even rival boxed tv sets even.
  6. There's any number of these subscriptions however; off the top of the head: 1. Monthly gym membership 2. Music streaming sub 3. Amazon prime or somesuch 4. Steam Sales or somesuch 5. Charity per month or somesuch 6. MMO sub... So it's as much the cumulative burden of all these services that is the issue as well as most MMOs are simply terrible and not increasing in returns the longer you play (which is how they need to be). If I am honest, it's less the price that concerns me, as you say, assuming the quality of this game is about "up there" then it's going to be brilliant fun. It's more the time I have available to COMMIT to it that concerns me. That said, I think a huge world like this could kill off interest in a lot of other genres so it does make sense if it's up to quality to allocate a certain time to the game if that criteria is filled.
  7. No you should not get it - yet. You're on the fence and the information is not visible enough for you to make a purchase decision based around, considering the normal assumption of "opportunity cost" and also "locked cost" once you purchase. Just be patient, there's any number of other things to do until the game is more developed and more info is available on more features which are more polished and PLAY-ABLE. That said, from my own objective point of view: The TREND of development: It's RATE and QUALITY (ie timeliness of meeting milestones that are significant and not superficial) is impressive for a game of this scope! So that is the very positive side to waiting atm. Personally I am waiting as I always said for Alpha 3. For a few reasons: 1. I knew the milestones for Alpha 1 and 2 would BOTH come with a few extra months delays so it was worth just waiting longer. 2. By Alpha 3 I presume the base game it's CORE FOUNDATION will be more solid (the building, crafting, economy stuff and performance of course). This is already a WORLD of gameplay interest and creativity alone. 3. Building on the above, a first glimpse of PvP is WORTH 60$ to me in such a large and player made ship MMO multi-crew game, and I can buy a more powerful spec ready machine for that time too for better price with all the above already in place making other players busy and hence generating not blind nonsense pvp but some interesting REASONS for pvp. 4. It will be interesting to feed back to the devs that PvP will be a very careful system to implement. This system will take a long time to integrate correctly and all the while the devs can improve the ship combat itself for fun reasons while ensuring it serves a useful role in the actual overall game world itself. 5. I think if the devs are successful at hitting this part even in NDA, the game is going to start catching a lot of interest... we might see a lot of our friends from Star Citizen and other space games come along and check out the interesting possibilities for interaction in DU. 6. It's still ALPHA. Even then and will take even longer to get to BETA which is really where most people should consider the first place to start. But if you are asking now then I'd say Alpha 3 for people like you who are already considering at this very early stage esp. given getting into good orgs and making an economic impact and so forth are going to be valuable more early on. Hope that helps.
  8. https://www.raphkoster.com/2019/01/30/what-drives-retention/ Dual Universe has A LOT MORE GaaS features than other games in one game and the scope is much bigger too. As for "revenue models" =/= GaaS as per Koster; then the players to then sell in game creations (& whatnot); which naturally will knock on effect with the in-game currency and out-game investment as well. I think that is quite interesting to think about.
  9. Possibly in time. But probably not immediately. The other issue is that with NQ as the effective central banker that can track everything, that's a critical developer function for a virtual world with a virtual economy - certainly to mature the economy first to a sufficiently robust place. I do like the suggestions of financial gameplay (some cool boardgames of various types here iirc), but big BUT!
  10. Fun but probably disastrous for the economy's internal growth. Exponential growth in the wrong direction is no fun either just a huge waste of effort by most and perhaps a lot of fun by a few. Bit like real world banking...
  11. JC provides more (high level) context here: https://medium.com/@jcbaillie/dual-universe-redefines-the-meaning-of-massively-multiplayer-with-over-30-000-a04c0e8b4106 He mentions it's not fully comparable to EVE's large battles (high interaction load) of ~6k but on the other hand 30k headless clients (although again not necessarily testing the full wilds of the internet) makes for "ecosystemic / network effect " scaling up on player interaction + persistence change. Namely, boardgames as a form of small group game are very effective mediums. Whereas networked computers imo have not really pushed (certainly graphically) what is achievable at much larger game number of players that is possible. DU is heading in that direction which is good. I'd disagree with the definition of metaverse but it certainly ticks the "flash" coinage needed to sell the idea so not going to get into flame wars over cross-purposes!! ?
  12. Quite "incredible" when it is also combined with the other technologies as well as one can see from the video: the realized spheroid planets of voxels, the constructs (is that the scene of the snow castle from inception?) Inner space suddenly looks very large. It would seem that this result is the result of good decisions and hard work made by NQ team. Good going and keep on going.
  13. Yes, at present this seems the simplest and therefore most robust and most flexible direction of unfolding of gameplay by player behaviour in DU (that might happen). I agree. Note, emphasis: Building is probably a very rewarding activity at a very basic level of interaction for MOST potential players of DU. Thus building to start with and alone is sufficient FUN. Add to that then next designing and tweaking and interacting and sharing and memory forming and property and social (all without any combat or military interest) SAFELY and you have yourself a huge enterprise already - in game. Note, such agglomerations increase social osmosis / ambience which a lot of players enjoy as well as opposed to a 1984 style of anxiety from threat of constant attack. The fact of the matter is, the exploring, scanning, planning, mining, "secure the area", logistics, consuming time, grindy stuff and risk of loss is a very different type of gameplay appealing to large groups who are more "hardcore"/competitive minded than the above but nonetheless can supply the above players with the necessary "stuff" to do their gameplay - and compete with each other to do so. Given the gigantic size of the game world, seems there's space enough for everyone.
  14. Lethys has covered every pertinent point, perfectly. Also plenty of players will want replica/antique SC, SW or ST etc et al ships with their owns standards of design, don't forget. The odd name change and appearance tweak to suffice. Likewise scavenging appeals to me but there's zero indication at present it would even be a feature. So let's see what problems arise then players will find solutions as opposed to solutions looking for problems. As said orgs will probably have most need to mass produce to a standard that is effective in use and efficient in production. Public will want all sorts of crazy designs no doubt, which is a good thing: Personal expression and aesthetics will often have personal value beyond in-game economic value.
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