Kronskie
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"you usually only get to launch a game once..." - but after 'intensolutely' taking your money for over a year we have decided we can do it twice
NQ you should have addressed the problems at the time and not used them as an excuse to wipe years later. Thanks for wasting my time (and money, paying for accounts to 'keep' my stuff just in case there wasn't a wipe). I hope launch fails miserably as it is what you deserve at this point.
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5 minutes ago, Warlander said:
None of us wouldnt be here if we didnt care.
We might have opposing ideal on how to improve the game or pro/against NQ but at the end of the day we all want a solid game to be happy to play and promote to friends or family to play. It's always been in NQs hands to make this game into something people want to play and time and player populations show that is not the case since there arent many still playing.
To me it starts with refining the new player experience and making the brutality of starting a bit more welcoming. Followed by practical limits and application of sinks, and finally what endgame looks like even if there is no real endgame in a sandbox the top tier progression is essentially end game content people will want to spend hours, days, weeks, months, or years playing and still having a fun experience.
To me the game as a whole takes way to long and is set up wrong from the outset to have any kind of meaningful endgame content, progression, or PvP combat to be sustainable as a its current state, proposed updates, and long term viability.
You are right in your though process that mega orgs, whales, rich players have had too much of a spoon fed existance when beta started and things have changed so much that the excesses they are sitting on wouldnt be possible in the current format of DU. Some here might not believe people have as much as they do but I have seen it personally in streams and friends from other multi gaming communities to know that it indeed is real, and the damage they can do or have done in past games with less.
It has always been the reason for wiping when the game changes so much that it creates an unfair advantage that is game breaking in this case is and there is no way around a wipe without destroying DU in the process if they dont.
And as you say people have put in a lot of work and effort to build up what they have and yet this is a beta that changes constantly vs a game that is in a late stage of development that is just going through performance and polishing passes that might let you keep what you earned when most Beta games wipe before launch to have a clean start.
Spoon fed beta? Missions were introduced not that long ago, they are the best way to get ahead and they still exist now. Oh no megas are gone, but everyone has to mine and sell to maintain so if you mission you can get ahead more than ever now.
EVE Online had lots of totally imbalanced ways to make money in the early years, it survived just fine.
You sound really sour and clueless.
I need to stop reading miserable doom posts. Bye forums
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5 minutes ago, Creator said:
I don't have a problem with people that work hard and play the game. I would say a true whale is someone that is north of 100 billion, probably like what 100 players or less? I also am not saying they are the reason I am saying NQ is intentionally trashing the economy to pit the community against itself... or have you not been paying attention to all the bickering on the forums lately?
My reasoning is, when the developers can't see the problem with need T3 ore to get the items to find/get T3 ore, they lack the ability/tools to catch/fully track money that is washed through their game ecosystem and the various ways it can change hands, and the deceptive strategies used to accomplished this. Some of these players have been exploiting mmo economies for 20+ years now, they aren't exactly dumb as NQ believes its community to be.
Once again, not trying to push for a wipe, I am telling people one is coming cause NQ has designed the conditions for one to be needed. The problem here is you continue to accidentally/unintentionally keep assuming things about me that aren't true, where is where we are running into our friction.So you consider a whale to be someone with a lot of (quite probably hard earned) quanta. I understand now. I've always understood being a whale to be related to real world spending, not in game wealth. A whale could spend all their money on cosmetics for example. So then we must agree that your whales are not a problem unless their -vast amount of- quanta is earned through an exploit? What exploits?
I have no idea what you think I'm assuming about you, I'm genuinely just trying to understand why you think there should be a wipe.
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34 minutes ago, Creator said:
First of all... you enjoy putting words in my mouth don't you.
I have a couple billion myself, actually, and enough resources to build out the rest of my days at this point on Sanct or my HQ'ed tiles, but who would I be building it for when there is no one left to share it with? Which is why I am so active on the forums.
I don't have a problem with people supporting the game and putting in a lot of effort, cause I am one of those people, so you should probably try something else than trying to make me out to be an enemy of the community, when NQ is the one in the driver seat of poorly thought out changes.
One thing you got right is I do have a problem with exploiters, and you can't convince me the NQ dealt with that problem thoroughly based on how poorly their updates are done. I do have a problem with a company that misrepresents their product, and I do have a problem with poorly done changes that hurt the community, and when the communities feedback is largely ignored.
I don't want a horrible player experience for everyone, I want it to stop being a horrible experience.
More specifically I want to make sure people clearly understand a wipe is inevitable and has already been put in motion so they don't continue to work hard for nothing while NQ refuses to be honest with us about their plans cause it doesn't suit them in the moment.
It wasn't my intention to put words in your mouth. I am legitimately interested in what you consider a whale and why you think they are a problem. Saying you have a lot of quanta doesn't really explain who or what these whales are, or why you think they are a reason to delete everything.
I'm glad you have a problem with exploiters, cool, we have something in common. I still don't think it's a good reason to want a wipe. I've heard of a few small patched exploits, but nothing major personally so maybe I'm just uninformed. What was the biggest exploit that ruined everything? Assuming it's safe to talk about old and patched exploits..? Or if there have been so many, could you enlighten me with the top 3 please? We're still only speculating that NQ hasn't done anything behind the scenes. I have heard a few whispers that they have. I'm sure we can agree they are pretty hush hush in general so personally I'm not that convinced there have been any major exploits that can't be recovered from and weren't dealt with to at least some degree. I'm open to being convinced otherwise though.
I have no problem with you personally and I wasn't trying to make you out to be the enemy. My apologies if it felt that way. I do however have a problem with you and everyone else pushing this wipe agenda because I think it hurts the game. I also think the majority of people that want a wipe are those who feel like they "could do better next time" or something weirdly selfish and not based in reality. I'm not saying that's you, I understand you're in a good place resource wise which is why I'm curious about your two main points as to why *you* want a wipe.
I'm going to try to stay positive, enjoy my time playing DU believing in NQ and that everything I do is here to stay and if they decide to delete everything I will silently disappear.
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10 minutes ago, Warlander said:
Normally MMOs try to enforce or impose hard limits to how strong a guild or org can become, how much they can do, and try to make it so that any guild that rises up wether that is in the present or future can go through the same progression and compete with the larger guilds/orgs and stand a chance.
EVE Online didn't in its early years.
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54 minutes ago, Creator said:
I am 100% certain we will have a wipe before launch, if not in the next few months.
New players don't stand a chance against Whales & Exploiters sitting on their billions of quanta post Dementor. I believe this was part of NQ's plan, to widen the gap between the those with the most and everyone else coming into the game. An economic hitjob designed and planned to drive out established players, and apply pressure to anyone that failed to stockpile resources/quanta pre-dementor into demanding at least an economic wipe.
Honestly though the NQ devs have wanted a wipe for a while, but they don't want to look like they aren't breaking their promise, so they are trying to create conditions that make it seem like it is our idea and that we want the wipe.
This was intentional... change my mind.What do you mean by a whale in the context of DU? Someone with lots of accounts, that support the game with real money and also probably put in a lot of effort? Yeah punish those evil guys!
Your other problem being exploiters? NQ should/does deal with them directly and it is the worst possible excuse to want a wipe that I can think of.
You seem to be angry at DU and NQ, if they did wipe would that really make you happy? Why? You keep making posts about the new player experience being horrible, why do you want that for everyone right now?
There are a lot of tricks NQ could still put out of their magic hat. I would wait to see what the revamp of the new player experience is before you are "100% sure" of anything. The only thing I'm 100% sure of is that you have absolutely no way of being 100% sure of anything NQ is going to do.
Maybe they will add training missions with great rewards to encourage new players to tackle the steep and daunting learning curve. These could include skillpoint boosts, large flat quanta or even boosts to daily quanta for completing challenges that show they have learned one of the many complex systems in DU.
How would a new player ever compete with a vet "whale" running several accounts after a wipe? What happens when there is one new exploit after the wipe? Start wipe hype again? New players will be at a disadvantage no matter what. Maybe there is a case for empowering new players to "catch up" enough while encouraging them to learn the game, rather than wiping everything.
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4 hours ago, Jake Arver said:
Once more.. there is no promise of a "no wipe". Why do people keep trying to bring that up while it's something that never happened and is not a thing.
In all the public statements and conversations NQ has had, expecially since JC was kicked out, they have very clearly left the possibility of a wipe on the table. And JC never, ever said there would not be a further wipe followingthe one a week before bett started.
I am convinced NQ already has made the call and from what Sesch said in Discord will make the statement in January.
In the press release I posted above you can clearly see that NQ sent out press material which stated beta was in NQ's own words "the last planned wipe", which just so happened to coincide with charging a monthly subscription and also in NQ's own words "a great time to start...". A press release is just that; facts from NQ as a resource for game journalists, etc. All of that combined, at the time, made it very much sound like the "persistent" game was worth playing for those who don't like losing things they work hard to acquire/build/whatever.
Yes, it's not a "promise", that is the wrong word, but they clearly tried to encourage people who would have normally waited and not paid to work for temporary stuff to start then. I never play a game seriously before a wipe but that was convincing enough for me that I thought I might regret waiting a few years for "launch".
They did what they did, we are where we are, now we just need to sit back and wait for them to announce what they plan to do. Hopefully sooner rather than later.
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8 hours ago, Jake Arver said:
While this is mostly the press release (which is a real shitty piece of writing to be honest).
Pulling a comment about a wipe out of it to suit your narrative while you ignore what is a few lines down:
"Players can expect this pricing model to carry on after the game’s launch in 2021"
Should kind of tell you how much value this piece really has after everything that happened. This was written under the smokescreen JC dropped around the "beta" and his continuing dellusion of unrealistic timeframes for progress and release. As it stands this piece is outdated and made obsolete by more recent statements and commenst by NQ leadership which directly contradicts most of it.
Point is, I'm certain there will be a wipe, it wil be close to "release". Apparently @NQ-Sesch said on Discord that NQ plans to have a stetement around it sometime January next year. That in itself makes me fear the worst in that NQ may plan to do one, maybe two more big patches and then wipe and just drop the "release".
Exactly, just a reminder that NQ never planned for a "public beta" until they announced it April last year. Development was supposed to remain backers access only up until release
JC really screwed the pooch big time with his stubborn personal reality bubble.A press release is information provided by NQ. I don't know what you mean by "shitty writing" to be honest. It's quite factually showing anyone who said NQ never pushed the no wipe beta that they are wrong.
"Players can expect this pricing model to carry on after the game’s launch in 2021" means exactly what it says, I don't even understand the link you made between the two. I think a price change of a dollar or two is a far cry from deleting effort and time investment for two years.
NQ very clearly sent out press packs trying to lure players in with the promise of no wipe beta whether you like it or not.
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https://www.gamespress.com/ANTICIPATED-SCI-FI-MMO-DUAL-UNIVERSE-REVOLUTIONIZES-THE-VIRTUAL-WORLD-
"The team is planning its final content wipe for the Beta release, making it an ideal time to start rebuilding civilization."
/Shrug
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I only decided to pay and play because of the promise of no wipe.
I would be very unhappy with a wipe as I don't think I could be bothered to re-invest my time doing everything again, so game over for me. Maybe that is selfish, but it is how I feel.
Exploits should be dealt with by NQ (and maybe have been on a case by case basis) and not used as justification to punish everyone who has put in effort to build things and earn wealth.
Some people would still be at a huge advantage even after a "full wipe" particularly those who specialise in LUA related offerings.
Please stop pushing for a wipe just because you are unhappy. If you have not been playing for all this time isn't it hugely selfish to think you should be on a level playing field with people who have been playing? -
2 hours ago, Dracostan said:
Article here (I thinks !)-> https://www.bitcoinisle.com/2021/11/18/what-is-metaverse-the-future-vision-for-the-internet/ with original article here -> https://capital.com/what-is-metaverse-the-future-vision-of-the-internet [BE AWARE, UK can't see this page due to crypto advertising rules] and both NQs (https://www.linkedin.com/company/novaquark) and Nouredines (https://fr.linkedin.com/in/nouredine-abboud-89b3ab1?trk=author_mini-profile_title) LinkedIn pages speak of 'the Metaverse' and how the voxel tech used in DU is the basis for a distributed buildable virtual environment, to be applied to 'other projects'.
Wow, thanks for the links guys.
Interesting, hilarious and sad.
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On 11/20/2021 at 6:03 PM, Dracostan said:
Bigger picture view -> Recent interviews by new CEO have stated NQ is a 'Metaverse' company that is developing voxel tech to use/licence in any virtual world that gets established. From this we can deduce DU is a tech demo of the voxel tech first and a Sci-Fi MMO game second.
Could you link a video for this please? Personally speaking, that sounds like the saddest DU related news ever.
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[filtered] no. I put in a lot of hours (admittedly not as many as you) based on the
promiselie of persistence. I can't imagine logging in to have it all deleted. The announcement video is so unbelievably cringe inducing and really is the only thing you need to watch if you are thinking about playing DU. They don't care about players at all, are borderline incompentent and can barely even talk properly let alone make a decent game. Double dipping 'launching' is a trash move and using their inability to take accountability and fix things as they happened as an excuse is pathetic and only shows they do not have the skills to run a persistent live game server where immediate response and communication is necessary.I'm happy in a way that I can finally forget about this mess of a 'game'.