Murmandamus

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Bastage....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finite_and_Infinite_Games

Except they won't... because it's all in their heads. Yes of course it's all semantics. Because it doesn't exist. BUT! .... you DU you, man someone has to.

Okay but what about everyone else? ?

Okay!

In other words winning and losing exist only in the eye of the beholder. Which is to say, it doesn't exist at all. "But Nanoman, you are in no position to tell me how I feel." "But Nanoman, maybe it doesn't exist for you but it definitely exists for me." "But Nanoman, that's not very practical." "But Nanoman, you could be wrong, don't be so arrogant." "But Nanoman, well that's just like your opinion man." "But Nanoman, I disagree."

Aye, too much realism. (or should i say surrealism...)

Life is a sandbox too.

"Winning" is an arbitrary line in the sand. DU is a sandbox.

Yes, but you were kinda suggesting that they are swimming in money and I think it's a little bit too early for that party just yet. And don't forget that they will continue to develop and add content to the game after release, rent/maintain a sizable server farm, and aim provide quality service. Those have been some of the reasons mentioned for the subscription model. So that's going to significantly extend those 2 years you mentioned, if we're going to assume that. Btw. they do owe all the backers a shitload of DACs. Basically everyone who backed will be playing for free for months, years or even lifetimes. So the current playerbase already won't generate much revenue for the first few years. Unless they sell their DACs, but then the buying players still won't be generating that revenue. I should hope that they will indeed turn a profit at some point, but I wouldn't expect it to be any sooner than any other well run and successful business. For which 3 years to profitability is considered a good average. So while I understand your point about p2w (although I only partially agree), I can't really see DU as a shameless cash grab by any stretch. They are of course a for-profit business, but I think things could have been much worse if they had to answer to a game publisher instead.

Well, it's not like they got those 20m euros as a christmas present. They got it from private investors, who will be wanting all of that money back and more. And that's just for NQ to break even. NQ doesn't have 20m, they owe 20m.

I don't think you've actually seen proper cash grab games yet....

lol