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I wouldn't be surprised if those were genuinly reported by somebody who wasn't personally insulted. Do not underestimate the circlejerk.

I don't believe in my earlier proposals anymore. It doesn't matter if they find a totally acceptable compromise. There are too many who couldn't see it as a compromise, nothing short of a total wipe will satisfy a large chunk of the "player"-"base", and for some I don't even believe deleting LUA out of people's notepads could satisfy their delusions of purity. After a wipe they will understand how their expectations had no correlation with the outcome, and sizzle out. Probably won't even admit to themselves they actually didn't care that much, and if anything blame NQ, more likely just drop the game for a newer toy without giving another thought to DU... "tHe EcOnOmY iS bRoKeN" will be the final verdict, with no further elaboration of what that's supposed to mean, and what crackpot expectations go into "the economy not being broken". And in the end I won't blame NQ, all they needed was time to work, and patience on our part. I don't know why they would be so stupid as to open this pandora's box, but I can only assume they lack confidence in being able to not be outcheesed in a partial wipe. It doesn't matter, everything that follows is inevitable.

Honestly if they make alts legal again after that transition, I'm fine with it either way. It's just that alts make it hard for NQ to fairly do a partial wipe, because assets can be disseminated, and people have more options to find a way to cheese the rules. I do get the appeal of it being generally easier and more managable for NQ to just wipe it all, but to what cost, the unique premisse of the game and their reputation are on the line, especially if there are big screw ups after a total wipe it would be devastating... It's like saying I can save 5 seconds if I enter my home by breaking in through a window... Extremly short-sighted.

Oh and just a little anecdote: I play this mod project diablo 2 and this tiny dev team on their super old game that has seen loads of cheating software over the years... they have an iron fist over their servers. If you wanna play in LAN you ask nicely and they whitelist you for a day or a weekend. This sort of thing is not a unicorn, but it takes work, human work.

I guess it could hinder them to some degree but I doubt it's sufficient. Also with what I proposed, people can still contact NQ and brazenly lie about being related and living in the same house, maybe send in a pic of their spouse or sibling or whatever. And I'm assuming there is methods to hide behind debits card, or crypto wallets or what have you. But we really shouldn't suppose an army of malicious types ready to jump every hurdle to give themselves an advantage because when could you ever be paranoid enough then? I think realistically we are talking about 50-200 individuals willing to go through extreme lenghts, and I really believe they can sniffed out server-side, or will finish by betraying themselves, or can be ratted on by other players. Have indicators, make them lead you to people of interest you look more closely at. Just stay firm à la: "we see what you are doing, stop now or suffer the consequences".

Yes then the oweness is on the user to prove why they are in the same lan, on a vpn whatever. False-positive = delete

You said that a million times everybody knows, way to not engage with the substance of an honest attempt to find a compromise. As hollow as what was listed in NQ's post. Are we going to spew platitudes until the wipe falls out of the sky? Is it doomed to allways go this way?

Honestly if the concern REALLY is primitive accumulation here is like a 3 minute sketch how to make a tolerable transition, the math could be so much more elegant but as I sais it's a sketch: -Announce the exact date of the wipe at least one month in advance, make it clear that all structures will be blueprinted, and add a check like we have for HQ, make it clear that everybody gets to keep one building-or-spacestation and one ship. Those 2 assets will become magic blueprints. Keep repeating the rules and the date of the wipe, blast it on max volume on all channels. -A no tolerance policy for alt-muling, every account needs to have entered a distinct payment info, distinct static IP, distinct client, all other magic-blueprints will be invalidated. Observe these indicators in the month leading up to the wipe, warn everybody who is not conform, in case of non-conformity the oweness is up to the user to prove why two accounts would share payment info/static-ip/client. (HELLO CEO MAN YOU ARE LOOKING AT A VALID REASON TO MAKE EVERYBODY PAY OUT OF POCKET FOR THEIR FIRST MONTH OF SUBSCRIPTION) (HELLO COMMUNITY LOOK HOW I NIPPED MOST OF THE SANCTUARY LANDRUSH IN THE BUTT) -The day of the wipe shut everything down in a timely manner, make it a celebration. -Once everybody is locked out, pool all the items in all containers in the two magic blueprints together, turn redundant stacks into 1 pile. -Refund all schematics at the lowest price they were ever sold by bots (yup though luck, but at least we don't start at 0) -Indescriminately reduce all wallets and all item stacks to say 33% or 20%, hell make it 0,01% if there truely are whales out there that are order of magnitude bigger, then make element stacks round up to 1 if they are in the "0,000... realm". Feel free to not disclose the exact percentage deleted until you got to take a look at our stuff and stats yourselves. There will be ways to minmax and bring the most value over, by physically stacking elements in the cores, but NQ can also dissallow the L core to be magic blueprinted.... if the economy can't handle 8000 m cores filled with elements then this persistant world was allways a pipedream. It's actually a great opportunity to get everybody betatesting and debating the planned no-element-stacking changes.

Wiping talent points is entirely unecessary from a technical perspective, and frankly a slap in the face. First of all how better to prove NQ's word doesn't mean anything. I waited like one and half year to reach buffs on T3 ore and products. I don't know who they intend to sell this game to, but my life expectancy is like 70 years. One and a half year of my life is not something I can just pull out of a magic hat, and I spent them freaking WAITING to get those points. I feel like none of you seem to realize that if they wipe talent points, the first month is so asininely predictable, one was to wonder what the fück one is playing for: "great I know that if I maintain 90xp/min, 30 days from launch I can have either decent inventory buffs, either decent MU buffs, either decent mining buffs, or maybe I'm able to operate most industry elements, or place cores of all sizes....... but 30 days from launch it will be either a single one of those choices, or being between lvl2 and lvl3 in all of these". When it comes to DU I've had the patience of a saint, but again: why would I put in 30 times 4 hours if I can extrapolate to the liter where I'd be 30 days from then, if I stick to my boring AF plan. You people seriously want to live through that for such a short-lived high? I joined the alpha like 4-5 months before the launch... I restarted in this game 3 times in a row within a year, because somehow they had to wipe a month before launch. Seriously it's not that fun, I don't think I can do it anymore, if I'm quickfeeted my goal should then be to convert the DAC I'm owed in to real life currency, cut my losses. More realistically I'd just stop looking and caring, probably. And what about the people who were rewarded XP for bringing people into the game with referral codes? Just a slap to the face.

Do the planet revamp if you must, I can live with that, especially if the end result slaps and is able to integrate further changes more easily, however that could even be envisioned big questionmark. That still does nothing to put players starting the game in 2025, in a better position. I can tell you that if you do a grand relaunch my tolerance for throwing things at the wall and seeing what sticks will be next to non-existant... Why the schematics now, just how do you intend to avoid us going back to arbitrarily wide assembly lines? I'm sorry but that text didn't seem like a snippet of a much larger discussion it felt repetitive and vague. Wipe if you "must" (...) best of luck. But I will not constantly remind myself to be patient. I sure hope you know what you're doing for your own sake.

Alpha, beta, balpha... Rarely have I heard so useless talking points than the pedantism surrounding the balpha rants. BuT bEtA iS fEaTuRe CoMpLeTe aight so everytime a released game patches in new features we retroactively declare the past development cycles as alpha right?! If nobody is ever gonna have a reason to join a DU server in progress, you can scrap the whole persistent world idea and shutt off the lights at NQ now, why wait for a shitty relaunch. If this game cannot engage newcomers and get them started, the whole premisse is absolutely pointless. You guys go watch daylong timers every 6 months when we regularly wipe that's gonna be one hell of game am I right -.-. iTs NoT fAiR MmO sHoUlD sTaRt WhEn I dO.

The wipe narrative has been building since forever, first it was the wrecks + market bot disaster, then you had the subsequently broken economy (more like subjectively tainted, though people were destroying high tier ores for a quick buck, so market bots did have to stop), the 1-2 knockout combo in form of schematics and their price change, sprinkle in people makroing the toturial, the mining meta changes are strictly speaking problematic to fairness too, but before that it was the (not so) finite supply of juicy nodes... Oh and don't forget to soapbox in the guy who thought it was funnier to dismantle a market than to submit a bug report. Recently we hear a lot of gorillionaire betakey whale talk. It's fairly simple, release some goddamn stats NQ, so we can make up our minds instead of spinning narrative. Richest ten accounts, average and median wealth. Also if there truely is an issue, it should be fairly simple to know who has flown an inordinate amount of missions, and what accounts tend to deliver missions closely one after another, and are possibly linked to a single IP and other redflags. If they are to achieve a persistent world, they need to be able to fix the worst transgressions, and people need to find a way to be okay whatever trickled down from it. So let me say it in a way that is much quicker albeit less diplomatic. They wipe and I'm not happy with my new luck? What's to stop me from riding those slippery slopes all the way down to hell? Blow up every unforseen incident, unfairness, exploits etc. Really work to get these memories into people's heads and stir up discontent. If NQ goes: "this time for real everybody step in lets gooooo", they have very very little room for error, and there frickin better ought to be no exploits pulled out of somebody's sleeve. What's to stop me from being super pedantic and bringing up all the good quotes that argued for wipe, a few years down the road. New CEO man must love the prospect to sell the product "launch" again, polish his numbers a little, and worst case ride those very numbers into a new job.

I can just feel myself physically age with the excitement this causes... Not a chance in hell those who threw first are gonna stick around next time. Have fun raging at loginscreen because there is a rush that exceeds normal population size and what's economically sane server capacities, then noticing a month later it's still the same game except you're months of grind from actually doing something fun. Yay we're gonna play sooo hard, say the unemployed young adults -.-

Let us have a final go at it so we can say at least we tried to make ourselves clear. I agree to a degree that things should balance themselves out in the realm of newtonian physics, just not quite convinced there is a way to spin the numbers where the solution isn't allways to just throw more elements at it = better ship. The elements are allready such that scaling them up in numbers doesn't exactly feel fun. Ideally we'd want some sort of triangular relationship à la rock-paper-scissors, where one can at best optimize towards a side of the triangle, but never all three corners. The first two corners are fairly obvious: mass and thrust... And it would appear the third corner of that triangle is going to be core size, which by itself is frankly not enough. This is not originally my idea but somebody proposed this once and I honestly think it's genius: Let's say the cores have speedcaps like XS 29k S 28k M 27k L 26k kmh softcap. I expect we will get something like this. But to make it good every ship should be able to go 30k kmh, if they keep their thrusters on! The "soft" speedcap, would be max speed in inertia, anything beyond the softcap would require constant thrust and scale up very much with our newtonian physics as described by blazemonger in the opening post. Then our ability to fly 30.000kmh has a second tie-in into weight, and the triangle is closed. That would be the base of the system, and should hold up on it's own. Then only can we think about shield and stasis weapons. I think shields should make speedgains past the soft cap more difficult, and be super susceptible to stasis weapons, and stasis weapons should create "drag" (way more in case of a shield) but ultimatively be able to be "outhrusted" what's a single S stasis canon gonna do against 4500kt right?! Though maybe in that case make it such that small ships get dragged away if confronted with overwhelming thrust / are able to let themselves be pulled by their victims.

The launch will suck so hard.

My bet is that it will be used for DAC but that is pure speculation.

Seems like a fairly obvious choice if it's about playing a game and not some social darwinistic preconceptions...

The virtual scaffolding projector uses blender files, when in front of a 3d file in blender, you are mere steps away from converting it into a format a 3d printer can use. Though it's a bit more complicated than clicking a button for conversion, and possibly involves more than one software. Personally I'm on 360 fusion and work in their file format which I convert to STL files so I don't know much about blender. But an advanced blender user should definitly be able to output STL or such.

Sometimes I wish the two projects could be one. It's just not an option on any pragmatic level, but just imagine... DU has what NMS lacks in sandbox, NMS has what DU lacks in content.

Annoying detail but, try again after updating all drivers, just to be fair I wouldn't expect much to change but without up to date drivers the results are slightly invalid

Somehow them gambling evertything on a flawless (exploitfree) launch while making swooping changes to what is allowed on several gamemechanics, rests on less hypotheses than this: "They just reset the planetary terrain. And they could do it again if they needed too. Although it seems unlikely after all the trouble they went to helping people dig out their underground bases. If they were planning to wipe that would seem like a pretty big waste of dev time." Just because NQ admitted they were flushing money down the toilet by us downloading hundreds of megabytes of tunnel data in atmospheric flight. Somehow them gradually self-sabotaging so everybody can agree on a wipe passes occrams razor easier and you are the objective one in this blazemonger...

"The wipe itself would not be that, and I can agree a wipe alone would not have enough of an impact to make a difference. However, it would/Could be the point where NQ can make some changes which are tougher to implement on an existing world." (sry for loose quote but I'm on phone) I have no qualms at all with technical reasons forcing them to wipe but given they allready wiped the terrain, I wonder what couldn't be softwiped... Also I can guarantee you with highest degree of confidence that: should I happen to have free time on a wipe, I am sure as hell not spending it teaching someone the game, I'm rushing to get what I can. Bored players on the other hand....

I like gigabyte their "caps look sturdy" ^^ that's all I could tell you it's been a while I picked my parts. Best of luck (siliconlottery, available stock etc)

If you have trouble matching your motherboard, I advise more reputable sources than some dude on some forum, like build your own pc sites, programs, and apps, don't linus tech tips have one? These should be able to pinpoint you to incomptabilities. I'm out of the loop for the current buyers market, but here is the gist: It's advisable to go with the most recent chipset for your socket, in the performance or gaming segment, to "future proof" your pc, I wouldn't spend the big bucks on enthousiast stuff. Thing is you swap too many hardware components around at one point windows is gonna act up, you might have to call MS in person to reactivate. Are you really going to remake the computer, or will you be happy to have a second pc less powerful computer the day you upgrade. Sometimes bucks can be spared by going for the business segment. But realistically when one doesn't know much about this, it's safer to go with a more feature packed gaming segment model, to avoid any potential oversights, like idk, a pci express bus lacking bandwith, or the newest usb port or what have you. Just so you know, I got a ryzen 2700x and a 2080ti, and 64gigs of ram, and I turn the settings way down, play in windowed, and cap framerates to 48fps on top... I feel like the strain the game currently puts on the hardware is not worth the extra graphical fidelity.

What do you mean if they launch by the end of the year the entirety of his vast sea of assumptions will be vindicated. ?