ShioriStein

Truly i give up, okay let this post die. Let NQ choose which method they want add to the game. Let it dieeee dont reply

It would be draw if we only "pure physic strength" and no tatic (I wont say about how sharpshooter the gunner is ) but it is another factor anyway, in term of equipment if 2 both can standing and draw like that it mean yeah it balance now. Because all win or lose equipment still just a factor to it.

@MarrrV Okay i now know your think, and idea too. You mean that if a gun and a shield, one man can create it but your idea is that that gun maybe take 0.5 hour to create but use it will cost your another 0.5 man hour, and with the shield it will cost you 1 man hour to create it but you seem dont loss thing when use it to defend again a gun right ? So 1 : 1 raito man hour put into 2 thing to againt each other is worth in time investment to it right ? Well sorry to misunderstand you, i just put another factor but dont realize you only talk about 'equipment' factor all the time now. Yeb i totally agree with you this point, time invenstment for each should balance.

Can you tell your enemy to play fair and fight 1:1 but not to put out everything they got when conflict with other ? I dont know what your 'man hour' mean, i only know it is the time i spend to do something is my hour worth of it, please englighten me with your meaning about 'man hour'. All i know is 2 job 2 diffrent way of gather resource/thing. If you wanna fast you loot it from other but it will illegal and of course risky, and other is slow like gather resource by mining/trading/thinking way . Hmm people fight a battle if they know they got a chance to win. You should find another example, you are really not good in this, you should give a example about a weaponary ship which carry all best gun but it will be bad at def or evading and one is terrible good at def or have high def stats but dont have so much weapon on it. 2 side of the coin, give that both will each have a same cpu and both have been used all their limit to def or attack so it will come one balance and everything will depend on player and their tatic. Dont give unreal example like both with a same type of ship or a same gun, it not possible. Oh and enemy will not say 'Hello, i'm here to attack you so be ready and put all your best, i will give you time to prepare'

Well, PvP just a 2 side of a coin. One maybe use PvP to attack loot and grife other player, but also other will use it to DEF, to offer their power in combat for hire. Just like a gun, all depend on how you use it, not it should balance or not. They can use that way of PvP to attack but you also can use that PvP way to attack them too, everything is possible but it all depend on you. Well yeah it may worth but i also disagree. You know attacking manner just a factor right ? IT also depend on what weapon they use and how they use it. But also how you build your fortress. Give that you will worth 30 manhour build it but they worth 10 man hour go robbing/pirate/looting . Hmm it also man power as well but it different right ? One is Builder/miner/non Pvper and other is Pirate/Grifer/PvPer main. A fortress still a factor too, the most important thing is the player who def that fortress for you, you know automate def not good as a player right ? You say build a fortress to hold them off but it still depend on what tatic you use to defend your fortress. Dont tell me only attacker will be the side got tatic, defend got its art too. So as i say the worth 40 man hour and worth 40 man hour and you think it will all go as you think ? Like during the battle machine start to broken down sometime or your "weak spot" have been detected and spot by enemy so they will change tatic how they attack you during the combat. And if it dont meet your exception you will say " Unbalance" ?

Well yeah i do agree it maynot "evidence" but it still give we some big view about this then. Well ah yes mining still the main bone of the game isnt it ? It provide into the market/economic the resource which use for everything, without mining or mining be take over by something it will make a great impact on the game. I didnt say all they do is mining, like someone say, you can do everything if you are smart and lucky. And also i dont think scanning is a problem after all does it ? I can train my self to more about profession scaning ( we got skill tree) and if you smart or lucky we still can found the vein easily. Well you know there are a lot meaning for experience ? Not experience in mining but other aspect as well. If you are newbie you can only see tutorial from youtube and from begin at Ark Ship. But with Mining/Building Operation it will give your tutorial about the game and also the situation in game as well. And there will also something you can learn only by do in real work in game but cant learn from youtube or tutorial on the ship. If i can learn about everything due Internet and tutorial in game i can player EvE properly now (sad i give up because i dont know what to do aside mining ). Also how they sell the place if the client decide to rather take it from a newbie or they dont even trust a newbie. A newbie come near you and say: "Hey hey, i got a location where got rare ore, you wanna it ? I will sell you for bla bla quanta" . And there will 3 type of client, first will dont care because it maybe a scam or even a trap or even this just another beggar, second will be either pirate or someone will take the risk and if they found out this real value location they will take it from the newbie, who will stop them, hmm nobody because it just a newbie, if he lucky a care bear org will help him; And the third will be "kind" and "follow the rule" client, if this location is value they will "pay" for it but of course let's barter, if they are kind they will buy it with somewhat good price because it will help the newbie. But you know there not a lot of them there. So in the end, i want to say that i dont think full automation is a bad idea or it iwll damage the game too much. But i think NQ want to take the majority of the game. Now maybe the game just 10k or 15k but in long term if they can keep 8 of 10 newbie stay and play the game they will choose to keep it. Automation is good but i dont think it is good for newbie, yes you can say they still do thing, vvv, vvv but in 10 newbie log in how many will stay ? Do you think more than half of newbie who join the game will think the same like you and can do thing you just say ? I just talk as i was a new member who didnt to something ( but i'm really in that situation :)) ). Not everyone is genius and a good player, so let's do hard work because people is Masochistic , love hard working and dont want easy working :)).

Actually struct on planet will be limit height because the planet will spin and so a struct will spin with the planet as well. And if that struct crash into with something it will boom and blow up the game calculate for collision.

I dont really know how to say more now. I just argue with other guy who say automation is not unbalance and provide him with evidence that automation is OP and solo way too much. But then they only see my last reply without read my first reply and say like i'm protect for automation mechanism . Well in the end we wont have full - big scale - automation so we should close the toppic and let it dieddddddddddddddddd.

Glad to see an org or some one decide to make a market board and update value data often. Make life feel easier. And i have question that what is API ?

Err what about shield Dome. And if drone cant bring a lot a same time, just store a lot of them.

IF automate turret hit chance is 1%, you only have to build 50 - 100 turret. And how can we build so much turret ? Automation build unit. And how do we got resource for it. Automation mining will do it. And if automation mining cant got enough resource you need ? Just build more automation mining. Left aside the scaning because that job dont require a lot people.

It not difficult, it obvious very LIMIT no mater what how you good in programing . Oho i doubt about this "factory" , as now we know it only can build space ship but how big space ship can it make ? Also i didnt see it say anything about construct a building yet ... or already but i dont know ? Ah anyway if one man can build an empire by automation why an Org cant build a star domination empire by only sleep and let automation do everything. Nah NQ had said : Solo player can do many thing but not everything . And Automation will help them do everything. Sad

yeah, but strategies or rare ore will be hot spot of conflict anyway.

this make me sure that you arent reading all of my reply. I didnt only say 'mining is need or only way for newbie ' . Just tutorial to get used with the game. I totally agree they can mine and get a ship out of there until someone blow them up the moment they are out of safe zone or just space. If they can make it to space ... but what to do next ? Mining again or go find some job to have the risk of scamming, robbing, pirate. yes it is your thought and here also my thought. Expensive you say but how much is expensive for a mining device which mine the ore to make itself ? If it expensive we just have to build more and more mining drone, device until we can make it everyday. Mining is the gate for resource to get in used. If too few resource pass the gate all you need to do is a bigger gate. Scan is not a problem when you may only need one skilful player which also can be you. Well if you go to wiki and dev diary you can properly see their mining idea now.

Oh yay we dont have to mining the same method forever also only use hand mining. NQ have said there will be more mining equipment ( which use on your hand) and building with mining equipment ( I guess we will got some kind digging machine ? ). But yeah all of it will be working with player control it. Also NQ have confirm many time, MINING SHIP will be not in game (forever) so dont hope about it.

Well NQ said that they will add more mining method after launch as the game update or expansion. They say also type Building mining like a Builldozer . But they confirm there will be no mining ship. Yes but still the risk of troll, grifer, betrayer ( send from other Org to spy or strike you when your Org is in chaos) Yes that is basically for you to enter a job, even in DU will be so. But as i say "Not many people like you" mean that they still prefer to employ Veteran player or 3-6 month player than a newbie. And of course there wont be many people will tired doing the CV to employ newbie and have to teach them play the game, they will move to choose old player anyway. Also the job you say, yes there will be people like you who employ newbie to join and take a job you assign for but sadly not many of you, so only a part of newbie can get a job / got help from old player. And the rest have to learn by themselves or doing themselves or even decide to make a org with other newbie and start to help other yes may good but also disband very fast because of troll, greed and other ( i have witness this many time in other game, i'm one of them too but not got so much damage when i'm only give aid to them to start, the other squad/clan/guild have disband because the troll / greed newbie and ruin them) . So in the end only a part of the rest of the newbie will can advanced and become a normal player but the rest will find the game boring because they dont see any way for them to go and then quit. So NQ idea that no automate force the player to work together is the best way to go, no? There will still be amount of newbie abandone the game but at least we can keep the 70-80% amount of newbie to stay and play the game ? In the end, your point is true i cant say anything but still one thing is i have said many time. The people like you not much in game. And NQ word is: "Solo player can do many thing but not everything" .

hmm i just assume there will to understand his point, when if it is ... and then what. So dont pay too much about automation but what happen if we got full automation. I agree that there seem would be no loss when we got full automation mining. When all ore is cheap even a newbie can mining and sell it with cheap price but it will be consider normal that time. So newbie basically will live like normal and happy after all. Then what they do next, mining ? Who cant mine. Even in EVE i as new player can mine but that time... aside from mining i dont know what to do next. Lack of experience, dont got knowledge about situation and thing, still not used to EvE control aside from basic mining. That is where newbie need, real and working in game tutorial. I have told many time in my thread, mining not only because of money but the experience, instruction and knowledge from the mining operation, which their boss as veteran player may help them, help them to get used to game control and gameplay also give them basical knowledge. Dont tell me watch on youtube, youtube experience and real experience in game always different, if anyone can watch youtube and boom become normal - advanced player this reply wont be here. So in the end my thought that from mining operation will give the player deeper know about the game to make their way easy then. Oky i agree with you like mining, there wont be any loss but just like mining, still tutorial. But isnt factory unit to create medium ship to small ship like fighter ? i doubt it cant make a mother ship or battle ship then... can they ? Okay you got your point here, you seem put a lot of trust to those newbie who not play the game for even 3-4 month ? Even so you still trust them to give them a ship and become taxi, a cargo ship to become trucker and a slot on your ship to operate it even they only know basical control and little knowledge about game ( like where is danger zone, war zone. I hope there will be none a taxi go to war zone or danger of pirate zone right ?) . Ah you even trust them to code for you even they just newbie. I respect your will and good intention. Despite the risk of troll, grifer, spy, betrayl you still trust them no mater what. Dont think wrong about my word, I dont say joke about it, I cant be a merci guy like you so I really think we should have more people like you so newbie and comunity will be a lot better. But sad it seem there are not many people like you in the game.

heh ? I didnt say automation is real, just wonder other guy point when he say there is other job for newbie even we got automation so i just ask him which job will newbie can do. I totally know that no automation mate lol, read my comment

as i heard NPC or NQ called bot will use to make the foundation of money (Quanta ) to begin the economic.

I wonder what other thing you mean for new guy. I totally agree with most of your point but not this, as a new guy I really cant do thing without basic job as mining and building follow instruction, just like you have to learn how to walk before you can run, to learn more about the game. You may say we got tutorial from ark ship, video on youtube to learn so what, I can do fine without mining. Okay it fine if it is you right but not the other guy. After launch the situation in the game will change very much different from the begining and not like alpha, beta stage anymore. Just like eve, got tutorial on internet, video,... but still cant properly play the game because the situation change after a short time. You is fine but not other new bro who know nothing. Aside from building and mining I hardly to see any job that new bro new to game can do. You say they can code but who will hire a new guy who just log in the game and may ruin your org ? I doubt after launch we will see some spy drama or even treason ? it only make new guy hard to do anything than because the fear of ruin. you may say they also can do that thing (ruin/troll/...) to mining and building so I will say it hard to happen. As mining or building anything troll or ruin attempt will be easy to detect before it cause much damage, but with coding who say will know what you are doing ? If they know they dont have to hire you of course. So in the end new bro will have little ( or none ) game experience, money, resource, knowledge, skill, way to go( mean what to do), cant even mining to get better life because automation make ore so cheap to the point you can trash it without regret. Cant join building operation because automation is cheap labor than you, cant even get out of safe zone without being scam or rob. So please englighten me to know what other job you are meaning ?

Nah i'm again that idea, i will agree if slider will change the noise also the efficient of that element as well. Well we can have element like camo flag to adjust the sound to go stealth no ? Space ship not like a gun where you can put another part on it to modify it stats like sound and accuracy, it is engine . But from i hear element in game cant be modify isnt it ? Hmm but it still bad, it will couse some stress to the server ? Remember a lot of guy play the game it we may consider 10000 player and 500 + ship as a same time. I dont want my sound become broken because 500 custom sound make the server stress and my internet cant download the sound at a same time.

Nah, i think we shouldnt got custom sound. There will be some troublemaker use this to troll, annoy people and also sound maybe will be important factor for stealth or hide away. So i dont think custom sound is good, we should be having more engine type and each will do something different than the other and use for different situation, no?

Glad to see some GIANT SLAYER

You can become a scammer to take their money, easy isnt it? You want the idea people with good head should be success, so i think notthing cant stop a 'smart' one doing what they want. IF someone got so much money but idiot ? Scam or rob them, lure them into some lonely space and rob all their money and ship ( i glad to see drama about someone has been scam stuff worth 5000$ rl ). And about the fund dont so worry too much, newbie after all is backbone of the entire economy also the game, they will be hunt to recuirt , or maybe no but i hope they will be valued like gold by advanced player. Also i'm side with them, the one have so much money IRL but dont have time to play, they should have that RIGHT. No it isnt. Automation will make newbie harder to join the game. As i say the time they spend with mining or building operation which organize by other veteran will give them experience and also the tutorial for them to learn about the game. No npc give them quest but the player itself and it will be win - win for each side.

You seem like seriously too much, it just a game, virtual world dude. I agree it it must be real as much as possible but in the end it still a game and NQ not the mother natural who have mighty and can apply logic + world law of real life into game. IT has it limited. Also there will be more new ore which not have in real life inside the game, which the game just fiction , virtual game. Dont be so serious. Also planet dont have lava, they will fill with full of dirt, resource and thing. So please dont put too much hope about "real" about this game, this is it limit or no? But it still in "PRE-ALPHA" stage after all, who know maybe there will be more mechanism in the game when full release.