[Rebalancing schematics]

I think what's he's saying is that, the cost of production is so ludicrously high, that, unless you are a wealthy org, there's no way to make any kind of profit. And with the cost of production being that high, the end product is largely unaffordable by anyone, but the wealthy orgs (who most likely don't need to buy things because they can produce everything themselves). This leaves you with 2 options. Join a wealthy org, or live with severely reduced quality of gameplay.
I stopped travelling between PVP areas for exactly this reason. The losses were too great, while the ease of ambush attack became ridiculously favored to the person doing the initial attack. It was no longer profitable to risk it. NQ's have broken the laws of physics to ensure that PVP is unavoidable.

[A LETTER FROM OUR CREATIVE DIRECTOR - discussion thread]

It sounds like people don't understand what Beta is.

Alpha and Beta are not the product. Alpha was closed testing. Beta is open testing. Release day is the finished product.

I have always planned for a wipe when the game launches with blueprints being the only thing not wiped and maybe the free sanctuary territory.

It's partially about fair play, but it's also about starting the game from the beginning as it was meant to be played as a completed work.
 

[Make pirates work for their loot.]

2 hours ago, Waffle Boy said:

What a joke of a thread, honestly

 

For the last year pirates have been overspending when it comes to PvP.  When we'd go out to asteroids, 90% of the time it end up with us spending warp cells and fuel for absolutely nothing.  And the time there was something, it was mostly a tiny throw away ship that nobody even cared about.  When we actually got a whale, I'd say we absolutely deserve it.  Even when we killed big mission runners in the past, those people were already making tons of quanta so that they could repurchase the ship they lost 10 times over.  and alot of times we just sold it back to them so they could redo their mission route.

 

The fact that you think pirating is point and click clearly shows that you know very little about it.  Most of the skill comes through how good of a pilot you are and there is no script like you're suggesting out there that's going to help you with it.

 

You need to come up with ideas to avoid pirates like other players do.  There's plenty of people who have avoided pirates by using good escape strategies or just using a throw away ship that they don't care about.

I run into, or detect pirates every time I do a planet run. I had a ship destroyed while mining an asteroid. They wanted me to pay money for my ship and for mining privilege's. I would have gladly paid the fee, but they didn't even give me the opportunity to pay it before blowing it up. They kept the ship after I destroyed what I could, and got no money from me at all.
Their incompetence at simple extortion is why I don't mine those asteroids anymore.
The "avoidance" you're referring to involves a huge detour. At max, sub-warp, speeds, evading isn't an option. Smaller ships go faster now, but most of the people in PVP space are hauling something. The only avoidance we have is to hope their ship heavier, we're going faster than them, and our shields hold out. The minute we slow down it's over. This isn't PVP, it's target practice.

I'm not asking them to nerf piracy. It makes the game exciting. I'm asking them to make pirates work for it, to make PVP fun for everyone. Not just spending quanta because they didn't catch any fish.

[Make pirates work for their loot.]

2 hours ago, Knight-Sevy said:

 

At first I was going to laugh at your thread, then I read your second post and I understood that you were a little more clumsy on the first.
 

What you are asking seems legitimate, I think a lot of players are asking for more gameplay mechanics (especially multicrew for PvP).

As long as there is a measure and against measure aspect, you have my support.
 

But be aware that PvP often takes a lot more effort than you think to take down a target
 

I try and post examples for clarity. This was not aimed at pirates. Though we were discussing that in discord when I wrote this. There should be some skill involved in shooting things. Not point based skill, but actual skill like 1st person shooters. Absent that kind of skill, the game needs some mechanics that require people to focus on how they're shooting, not just point in the direction they want to shoot.

I've been looking at lua based games to make a "game room", because there is a big lack of that in PVP. And it doesn't look like they are going to go the 1st person shooter route which is what I was really excited for.

[Make pirates work for their loot.]

1 hour ago, Waffle Boy said:

 

How it is right now is fine and it's not even overpowered.

(I've been destroyed by pirates. Not paying attention. Attempting a slow run. I've had near escapes too. The idea of the game is to outsmart the enemy. Not complain that it's too hard and have them change the game. The game is still in beta. Most people are building, coding, testing, and other such things. We're just starting to experiment with PVP strategy. If they keep making it easier for pirates to kill people, people will just expend more resources to avoid them.

 

[Make pirates work for their loot.]

2 hours ago, Walter said:

DU PvP scripts these do not put you the kill in a silver plate, these can give you info about Pipe distances, allies surrounding you, time to brake, and hit chance.
 

You can get coords for a ship, constantly updating to orient you towards that ship. Fire and forget.
I'm not saying make PVP impossible. PVP isn't meant to be easy. If you want to be a pirate, fine. But just like the rest of the game, it's not meant to be easy. And they have made it very easy for pirates. The game doesn't have the defensive options that they do for offensive ones. I'm not saying get rid of the pirates, I'm saying don't make it too easy.
They took away our warp jump. Retreat is no longer an option unless you're going slow enough.

 

[Make pirates work for their loot.]

Compiled list:

[Make pirates work for their loot.]

A few ideas to start off with:

 

• Make identifying a ship more interactive with radar jamming.
  1. Radar jamming would disable radars, emitters/receivers, and anything that sends out a signal.
  2. A quick mini game would be played to beat the jammer if active. Otherwise it's a normal identify.
  3. Beating the jammer would allow us to send the "jamming frequency" to other players so we don't all have to play the game.
• Make shooting more interactive. So players just can't script their encounter, hits and misses could also in the form of a mini game. For example:
  1. We would have to click a swiftly moving floating target. The closer to the center we click, the greater damage is done and accuracy increased. The farther from the center the less damage and/or miss.
• If no game, limit the number of shots before we have forcing us to interact with the chair to keep firing.
• Add a random "weapon malfunction" where we have to click a repair icon or other maintenance when in constant battle.
• Allow ammo to not magically pass through obstacles that we can't magically pass through so other ships can come to your aid and absorb shots.

[Make pirates work for their loot.]

To date I've probably spent 1/2 a billion quanta on recipes, materials, ore, and parts. Everything is super expensive. Turning a profit can take up to several months, and requires great effort.

Pirates are getting their way when it comes to ease of the kill. They can shoot us out of the sky with very little effort.

• Warp drives don't function if you're targeted (even if they don't fire a shot. Basically your car breaks down every time someone looks at you and you had to get out and push till they looked away).
• There's cool down and warm up periods for warp drives (pirates don't think it's fair that we have a chance to escape)
• Increased the mass of elements to make sure that ships are slower and weakened the shields hit points. (make all the defensive stuff heavier and weaker so you're a sitting duck).

 

Right now it's pretty much point and click. They click your ship name, click "Identify", then start shooting.

If you're traveling at max speed, turning to confront is near impossible until you slow down, by that time you've already lost.

Besides the shield generator, and the pirates skill for successful hits, there are very very very few defenses for avoiding. They can shoot through asteroids or any obstacle you may try and hide behind.

With the right script, they can automate just about everything so all they have to do is target you and click fire, and the script takes over to track you.

 

Pirates should have to put in some kind of decent effort in their trade too.

They are mass complaining about how hard it is, and the devs are bending to their will.
Pirates have it too easy. And if we want to see any change and make pirate confrontation a little less 1 sided, we need to mass complain to the devs like they do.

Post your suggestion on how to even the odds, and I will compile all the ideas that have the best chance of being deployed in game into a form that you just have to copy/paste into the submit form.

[Industry Progress HUD]

*** This version now works without the screen glitch where everything blinks.

 

 

[Industry Progress HUD]

On 10/29/2020 at 5:59 PM, MisterMichaelK said:

This works great and it's amazing! Only issue I'm having is some screen flickering when it's in use. Everything on the monitor kind of pulses any time I move around or look around. Can still click and change things tho so it's not a huge deal.

Would it be possible to make it so this can change what's being made in a connected machine on command? I'd like to be able to change the size output of different parts I'm making: XS, S, M, etc.

I have a fix for the screen flicker. I'll be uploading it shortly.

[Industry Progress HUD]

50 minutes ago, Argentine Fury said:

Hey Foregotten Mach PB link is broken...

Thx for your work!

Hehe. I feel silly. I made the script and the text doc to upload, but I forgot to paste the config to the text. Thanks for the info. It's correctly updated now.

[Industry Progress HUD]

On 9/27/2020 at 4:48 PM, w1r3dh4ck3r said:

I second this, it looks so sexy! can you share it?

 

Man I knew some extremely talented people would come out of the woodwork with the possibilities on this game but you guys go far beyond what I would imagine possible.

Here is a quick script that will show a % progress bar for extra small fuel tank. Just right click programming board  select Advanced > Paste LUA configuration from Clipboard.

Then hook up a screen then an extra small fuel tank to see how it works.

Spoiler

 

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[Industry Progress HUD]

While we wait for the devs to fix the touchscreen glitch, here is a temporary update for the databank version Main PB. Instead of clicking on the number, you just press ALT 1 - 9 to select the page you want.

➡️ Main PB Alt script ⬅️

[Industry Progress HUD]

13 hours ago, Seether said:

Seems to be that when I load up Script 1 that my display screen starts flickering and all of the text momentarily goes away upon movement.  If I log out and back into the game, the monitor shows just fine.  However, if I turn the programming board off and on again, I get the same flickering.  Haven't tracked own what's causing the issue, yet.

 

Edit:  I've now tried it on both clear and normal screens.

This is happening to everyone. Please make a bug report to DU. Thankfully it is not code related and hopefully the devs will fix this soon.

[Industry Progress HUD]

5 hours ago, Greviouss said:

you need 8 machines and a connection to the db on teh slave

lol. Was the error fixed then? 

[Industry Progress HUD]

5 hours ago, Greviouss said:

This is not your screen or a coding error, this is a DU LOD effect caused by too much screen activity in a relatively close area 

I am working on a version where the DB system is integrated with the touch screen system to reduce the number of monitors needed. You may also use zone detectors or pressure pads to use at or near your screens if they are positioned in such a way that they aren't all visible at the same time. This way you don't get the graphic glitch.

[Industry Progress HUD]

9 minutes ago, LordVelho said:

13 hours ago, Foregotten said:

 

I think my screen is too small! lol 

LOL. That's a known bug. I'm working on a solution. I use the exact same script. Here it is on 2 different size monitors.
Some people get the bug, and some don't. It doesn't make sense.

[Industry Progress HUD]

42 minutes ago, Stryker2185 said:

really feel like an idiot after watching that LOL question tho for the version 2 with database say i have 9 refiners all for hematite can i name that PB on the main PB hematite? instead of "1,2.3.4"

You absolutely can. The default naming is just for beginners who aren't familiar with LUA. The connection is to the machine. Just don't change any of the link names unless it's for the reason at the end of the Version 2 video. If 1 machine is making 1 product, then naming that machine after the product makes perfect sense.
I apologize if the video seemed dumbed down, I made it that way so there would be no confusion so that people could get it set up regardless of their LUA knowledge.

[Industry Progress HUD]

Announcement:

Tutorial videos available for both versions. They are just quickly made ones. I'll revise them later.

Version 1

Version 2

[Industry Progress HUD]

4 hours ago, LordVelho said:

Hey man i did the DB version. 

Did this.

1º - Connected Screen to PB
2º - Connected databank to PB
3º - Connected 9 machines
4º - Pasted the code and runned. 

i got this error. 

 

The databank version requires 2 programming boards. The screen PB doesn't have machines hooked up to it. Only the 2nd PB does. You have to turn on the PB hooked up to the machines, before you turn on the PB hooked up to the screen. And both PB's have to be hooked up to the databank. PB 1 (Main PB) gets hooked up to the screen first, databank second. PB 2 (Machine PB) gets hooked up to the databank first, then 9 machines second.

[Industry Progress HUD]

18 hours ago, TillGerman said:

Have both Versions in use and are running fine.
But with first Version in Maintain Mode it dont calculate ETA (allways showing "Calculate ETA") and the batchnumbers are negativ.
Would be great if ETA and Numbers work in Maintain Mode, but i dont know if it is possible.

Yeah. Maintain is just to start the machine. Since maintain starts and stops it doesn't use the timer feature. Not until DU allows us to keep track of container product, or at least output numbers. Right now we can only see how many batches have bee completed. Some recipes produce 1, 10, 20, 50, 75 etc. and that's stuff we can't see at the present moment

[Industry Progress HUD]

19 hours ago, Stryker2185 said:

Question where it says 0/3 is that referring to what? number of machines or whats being made or the maintain

 

0/3 = how many are made / how many you want made. So 0 means, no product has been made yet of the 3 you want.

[Industry Progress HUD]

15 minutes ago, RicketyCricket said:

This looks amazing. Having an issue getting any kind of hud to show up after following the steps?

Which version are you using? Are you getting any errors? Is the screen on? Check connection order. Screen gets plugged in first, followed by machines.
If DB version, screen then DB for main, DB then machines for mach PB's. You must also turn on the mach PB's before the main PB.

[Industry Progress HUD]

Sorry everyone. Pasting my JSON into the spoiler was removing vital bits of the code. The spoilers are gone, but I have included a link that will open a new page of text you can just copy/paste.