carijay766
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"and makes NQ look bad" you actually made me laugh hard right there. Maybe its cause NQ actually did badly in this situation in every possible aspect. Oh dear. Yes the bans show clearly "players will pay for our mistakes, even if theyre within the legit game systems". Because of the inherent hypocrisy in their actions they havent achieved any show of power but shown that they easily panic and overreact.
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9 minutes ago, Atmosph3rik said:
How have i moved the goal post?
How is NQ making changes to a market's RDMS any different then them making changes to yours?
Was NQ playing the game when they made the changes? Was the purpose of the RDMS change to benefit them personally in the game?
Or was it maybe, part of their job, to make the market services available to all of us, so we can enjoy the game.
If NQ fucks up your RDMS they need to replace everything that you lost because of that, its their fault. If NQ fucks up their own RDMS they need to replace everything for the player who lost something because of their horribly amateurish way to implement the market inventory and storage, its their fault. Deleting the stolen material could be adequate, but not nessecarily. At no point is the player to blame within the context of sandbox and at no point was nuking players an adequate reaction. A temp ban wouldve been already been more enough of a show of "power" (Id call it weakness tho because it the most shortsighted punishment considering its their fault). We're still not talking about a bug here. It was within the set rules of the game NQ owned or not.
I know youre purposely acting stupid here to provoke, but it seems to fit the mentality of some. Sadly.
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LOL @ all those greedy beggers.
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1 hour ago, Zamiel7 said:
I am taken to understand that the first statement in question refers to overt attempts to insult or threaten another player through the use of hateful language pertaining to the mentioned categories. I agree that things should be as specific as possible, but this reads like most statements made in codes of conduct that are designed to remind players that they should not use bigoted language or make actual threats against the players themselves. I do not think it refers to threatening to destroying someone's ship, org, etc. if they, for example, don't pay you a ransom. I fully expect at some point for certain organizations to, say, threaten smaller organizations or individual players with destruction if they have the strength to do so. All part of the sandbox experience.
The same goes for the other rules. I think they refer to the real-world players themselves, not their avatars in the game. So, don't try to steal someone's password by imitating an NQ employee, for example.
Again: A lot of people think this and that. I want it clarified by NQ as I stated im my prior post. Also what youre refering too is clarified in another bullet point, so youre mixing up things here.
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Because he has no arguments. Its a psychological mechanism when ones in a desperate situation and unable to cope otherwise.
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13 minutes ago, Atmosph3rik said:
Do you think bugs, are like real bugs? Like there's a spider inside the computer?
Not mistakes in code?
Why are you so bad at trolling my dude, like this is not even childish anymore thats just sad. But I guess thats as much as you can expect from a white knight.
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?♂️ Yep thats about as reflected as youll get I guess. Knowing youve ridiculed yourself you try to distract with something even more ridiculous. Good job son.
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9 minutes ago, Atmosph3rik said:
Players aren't supposed to have access to your stuff, correct?
Players aren't supposed to have access to a market, correct?
NQ staff have the ability to make any of these changes any time they want. Are you saying that if NQ mistakenly gives me everything on Alioth. Then it's mine, forever? Finderz Keeperz
Wow your logic is so flawed I dont even know where to start. You make no sense whatsoever.
Players dont have access to my stuff as long as I dont make a horrible mistake, which would be my fault and my fault only unless NQ abuses their power and interferes with the game. In this case it would be clearly NQs fault and not the players.
"If NQ uses admin power to purposely change your RDMS and ruin your base thats your fault."
If they accidentally make alioth avaible to everyone its their fault. They either have to fix THEIR mistake by hand or rollback. Not perma ban every who has been on alioth.
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Since youre having trouble of understanding basic things if NQ set MY RDMS thats their extra power they use and thus their responsibility. Its on top of what a player can do. I, nor any other player, can set NQs RDMS.
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For me the current state especially considering youre paying money for it and especially in the context of NQs recent behaviour, is clearly unacceptable. But obviously people are already warned about the ongoings here.
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5 minutes ago, ColonkinYT said:
Sometimes it seems to me that half of the people in this discussion live in some kind of unreal world where there are unicorns and they fart like a rainbow.
1. NQ is the owner of this game. And it is this company that sets the rules of the game. And can change them by the way. I'm not making excuses for them, it's just a fact.
2. The guys were not banned because they pressed the B button. They were banned for what was done later. Namely, the ruin of the market. But that's half the trouble. They were smart enough to brag about it! That's for giving themselves up and getting banned! Even in real life, people are judged for 2 things. a) They got caught. b) They confessed. And then there's the aggravating factor. They trumpeted it on Reddit. Naturally, the developers had to react to this. And they reacted harshly. If there was no reaction, then everyone decided that they can do this and continue without any consequences. Perhaps, if there was no publicity in Reddit, the guys would have gotten off easier. This will be a lesson for everyone.No one is doubting that NQ owns the game. If the company who owns a product is contradictory in behaviour and shifting morals that where the issue starts. People will defend it as long as theyre not affected by it. But this is a mistake, because this behaviour will be seen on every level and layer of the management.
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Right because you dont want to catch corona virus.exe when youre programming in your cellar.
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Since all of this capriciousness and the bending of vague formulations I would like some clarification by Novaquark (not asking about players opinion on this) about the current CoC.
QuotePublishing, sending or communicating any content or taking any action in connection with the Game that is inappropriate, [...] harmful, threatening [...] on the basis of race, gender, ethics, politics, etc.;
Is all of this connected with the condition "on the basis of race, gender, ethics, politics, etc.;"
If yes: what exactly is etc.
If no:
1.1 What exactly is inappropriate? This could literally be anything. Is this some kind of psycho terror to achieve a constant fear in players, knowing they could be punished by anything thats deemed inappropiate in hindsight?
1.2 What exactly is meant by harmful? Does it include hurt feelings?
1.3 Does threatening include threatening to hunt someone down or destroy an org?
QuoteHarassing or threatening other users and interfering in any way with their use and full enjoyment of the Game;
I would like a clarification about that aswell. This would per se not allow PvP if someone would not enjoy it.
QuoteParticipating in any fraudulent action against any other User of the Game, including by means of scamming or social engineering;
So stealing from orgs, spying, not fulfilling trade orders and anything else that you would expect should be possible in terms of scamming and social engineering in a CIVILIZATION SANDBOX game is not allowed?
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Simping or are you being paid to say this?
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If you will loose the ones that dont profit from nepotism, depotism and the hypocrisy you will only have a handful of uninteresting people left and (considering how dead the game was in alpha) this will, I can guarantee you, not finance the servers (unless you start selling anime cushions for 1000$ each in the cash shop of course).
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Well I dont want to stray from the topic, but the things that happened behind the curtains and the amount of value and wealth that was transfered over from the alpha (you heard right it was not a complete wipe) is just insane. I will not go into details even tho im not under NDA, but the amount of nepotism had me already worried now this kind of despotism crystalizes out. You will be in a disadvantage from the start (if youre not a whale or friends with the devs). Certainly NQ will also continue their massive censorship in an attempt to sweep everything they did under the carpet. All of this doesnt paint a bright picture of the future of this game.
NQs "closeness to the community" seem to be at the wrong ends, they seem to care more about the money (bankcruptcy anyone?) than their own morals and consistency or to provide you a reasonable customer service and product for your hard earned money (ever wonder why so many backers dont talk much about all the negative things (or even defend them)? its because they dont pay....yet - we'll see that change very soon when NQ rushes into "release").
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On 10/21/2020 at 3:56 PM, Mordgier said:
You can compare it to RL - it's just if you do that, you have to hold NQ accountable for the negligence in failing to secure the market place RDMS resulting in millions of losses for the customers of the market.
This and etc. - NQ showing their misconception of sandbox and breaking their own rules they set for the game and players shows how hypocritical they really are and that you'll have to expect despotism all the way. NQ shouldve just fixed their mistake (and yes fixing YOUR OWN mistakes takes dev time) and went with the lesson, but no instead they had to take it out on the players. While I feel sorry for the losses of the players caused due to the market disassembly, I can assure you it couldve been prevented by not having such an amateurish way of storing highly sensitive market data LOCALLY in the game (really?!). So again 100% NQs fault in implementing something in the worst possible way and punishing the players for it.
For all the Ubermenschen who seem to come from games like fortnite or CoD and have the morals of a god you really need to fix your mindset and be honest with yourself and others. In the sandbox game world it goes as follow: If you see an unsecured ATM and grab whatever the heck you can and get the hell out of there. It should be absolutely and 100% in the sense of a sandbox game. Again NQ themselfs did set the bar for this even by stating mismanaged RDMS is the owners fault. Thats the same as if your goverment would proclaim if you see an unsecured ATM it you can freely take everything with no consequences or involvment whatsoever (but then would go on beheading people because they took from their unsecured ATM).
The underline of this all is:
What NQ did was an act against the sandbox idea itself. Yes the Market couldve been left alone and just reported, that wouldve been ideal, but its not the players that are to blame. But they did not abuse, exploit, hack, modify, change any existing system neither did gain an unfair advantage (the market was open to everyone) and didn't they threaten, insult (maybe NQs self image of the unfailable game devs they seem to think they are) or intentionally harm anybody with this (who wouldve thought they'd actually store the data in the game). NQ showed us that if we fully use the extend of the sandbox that they said they would give us we will be the punished ones. They will bend their own laws to any extend to weasel out of their mistakes. Yesterday it was Scoopy & Co, tommorow its gonna be you who will suffer from their despotism I can assure you this. NQ did in fact "bomb for peace".
PS: NQ again missed a giant chance to make something constructive out of this, which is sad because it caused a lot of toxicity in the community.
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A GAME is NOT Real Life. If you shoot a miner with a bag of gold on the street and take his vehicle afterwards youre a murdering robber and probably get jail for a lifetime. In a game you most likely dont.
Your logic is flawed on every corner of the argument. Comparing RL with a Game is absolutely pointless.
RDMS are the guideline for rights if the rights are given there is no abuse of the systems its 100% following the intended purpose of RDMS.
Please stop with the hypocrisy of "when Devs make a mistake it doesnt count", youre ruining the whole thought behind the Sandbox.
If the Devs want to run an event the next time and an alliance/org zergs the whole event then thats what sandbox is all about. Its not about devs pushing through their opinion above all others being salty when players are more creative or aware within the boundaries of the game system. It was 100% the devs negligence (step 1. not checking on what they were doing 2. breaking their own fundamental rule of "if you fail to manage your RDMS correctly its your fault 3. not reacting in a reasonable time frame) that lead to it. Clearly injecting code and other glitches that would actually require external tools or actively breaking existing system go beyond this logic.
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Kids? Really judging from your level of reflection and logic I thought I was talking to a young kid right here.
But sad too see that you think companies dont have any responsibility for their actions whatsoever.