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It's more like the police saying you can rob ANY open door without our interference, but when you rob the polices open door they hang you afterwards even tho it was never clarified and directly opposes our fundamental statement.

But back to the topic. Thanks NQ for killing the game prematurely and showing your real hypocritical face early on. Now people kick around this corpse of a game claiming it just needs a good pat on the back to become alive again. ?‍♂️

You are indeed right this thread is irrelevant. As are you. Ps: the no ban sign was rather a message in terms of "if you actually consider this as something against the rules even tho it was all within the game mechanics and there is no prior example don't completely overreact otherwise this might cause a shit storm".

Read again you bitter person. ?

Don't be salty just cause you can't read my friend.

I know it's hard for you to understand a simple sentence Moose, do me a favor and read again.

If this is true rip game.

So you'll remember him forever? ?

There is no one central who is capable of managing this. JC is a naive researcher who thinks you can run a gaming company like a research lab. But as someone who has worked in both areas I can certainly tell you that's not the case at all.

Well obviously it was unclear If this is a bannable (especially perma) offense since it was all within the game design. People are using way more obvious exploits to an much larger extend (abuse of hovers, alt-f4 anyone) and NQ is like that's cool. Judging in hindsight is easy. If NQ would've been mature about this you'd be talking differently. There were way more than 4 people who checked out the market after it was out in the open and certainly took a voxel or two as souvenir. We only see the tip of the iceberg here. It's in the nature of the sandbox to explore irregularities, to test the limits and possibilities (again within the absolutely intended game systems). Now a lot of people were punished for playing the game and got blamed by NQ for several of NQs mistakes while all the actual exploiters get a pat on the head. Why didn't they perma ban the people who uncovered the mysteries faster than intended for example (they didn't even have time to put textures on Thoramine)?

This. That clearly ticks all the boxes of an exploit yet NQ calls that "creative use". People still don't wanna see the hypocrisy in this.

It was difficult to see within a repetitive pattern yes? Even tho the info was out there yes? Do you notice something?

Dude again youre missing essential parts of basic concepts here.... An integral and essential part of an exploit is that it gives an unique advantage (thru ways that are not generally avaible). There was no unique advantage the market was open to EVERYONE. "NQ specifically put wording in the TOS, so when they screw up like this, players don't go post about it on Reddit." Which shows how little they want to take responsibility for their mistakes. Also im pretty sure that is against EU law. "That doesn't change the fact that intentionally violating the TOS gets you banned." If anything is was an absolute gray zone, what made NQ freak out was their second, much bigger fuck up within the initial fuck up. Storing data as an ingame item, which is insanely amateurish. They could been a positive constructive example, this was the first case of players and NQ ingame interaction on that level, so there was no guideline to go by. Now people might twist and turn things in hindsight to make it look that this was obviously completely against the ToS,EULA,Banana because NQ has reacted randomly, but objectively there is no example of this happening prior to this. If it wouldve been so obvious that this wouldve only been met with this kind of overreaction and overly harsh punishment, do you really think anyone wouldve actually and intentionally done something? Clearly this was an unclear situation and interesting for actual sandboxers, honestly I laughed about it at first thinking NQ would fix the situation and promise to be less negligent in the future and maybe made a kind of ingame event out of it. But they completely put it on the players. Sure you cannot think of everything, but especially if youre 99% of the issue and reason why the stuff went down you should be able to man up and not lash out onto players.

Are you seriously comparing duping and hacks with stealing some voxels within the intended game mechanics (unintentionally and accidentally breaking NQs absolute horrible way of data storing)? No one would defend dupers, no one would defend speed hackers, no one would defend other means of third party use or messing with the game code. Actively trying to break the game by creating programms is something on a completely different layer. No one wouldve bat an eye if they wouldve banned these kind of hackers and actual exploiters. They made a huge mistake and now theyre treating regular players who did not mess with the game in any other way than how it was intended like they hacked into their mainframe and deleted all accounts plus doxing JCs private address. This is out of proportion.

Well in its sum this and the other things that happened will amount to more than just a boohoo I'm afraid.

Exactly the shortsightedness of NQ is causing the biggest harm here. Some people here mistake the concern for the future of DU as hate for DU, but its the opposite if anything. For many its obvious that what NQ is doing is actually harming the reputation and therefore the future of the game itself. I dont understand how a company that claims to be community orientated thinks it gets away tyranny and ignorance in this day and age. The censorship is also a huge part that worries me. Of course many of us try to document as much of the events as possible and if NQ keeps on with this it will come back even worse. I can only shake my head at a company that acts like a little kid with an hurt ego instead of reaching out to the community and solving issues in a mannered fashion, being able to admit their own responsibility in this and act accordingly, instead of spreading lies, twisting words or trying to change things into something theyre not or even deny stuff that is well documented.

"From now on no more wipes" also im pretty sure a wipe at this point, especially considering people are paying, would be devastating. But again with NQ anything can happen as we see theyre completely random and justify their randomness with ridiculous reasons.

Unless theyre redirecting the traffic via AWS (which would explain the lag) theyre using AWS yes.

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I would disagree on the "doing the right thing"-part with you, since NQ should be a positive example for what they expect of others and I guess morals are also a thing when you run a company. Other than that its perfect summaration of the underlying issue.

this sums it up quite well. "instead of reporting the bug and waiting, dudes decided to actually disrupt market trading for anyone living around alioth 15." its true partially, but it was never the intention of the players at any point to disrupt any trading (but a consequence clearly). and market 15 was incredibly far out and basically deserted, the devs have restored the market now and the damage was minor. but yeah definitely not the best approach on the players side, tho a reversible one. im fairly certain no one wouldve expected this kind of badly done storage of the data. if that wouldve been known to the players no one wouldve touched it. im also fairly certain damaging anyone was never the intention it was more the interest of disassembling the market and checking out the innards. like you would expect for a game thats full of engineers and builders. later on some other people came aswelll and took a bite after the whole thing was out in the open for hours and hours and NQ did not react to it. "instead of a temp ban and a meeting with GMs to find out where player-dev communication broke down, permanent bans are issued." especially considering NQ has been bragging about "being so close to the community" this point is very disappoiting as you can see theyre absolutely not close to the community, when it comes to their mistakes they get even unreasonable and defensive. officially starting to spread lies about "it wasnt reported" even tho there is clear evidence that it was. this redirection of blame is shocking. Now NQ shrouds themself in darkness and expects the internet to forget.

JC said there will be no more wipes anymore, worst case a temporal rollback to the latest backup if they mess up worse than now.

Kids? Really judging from your level of reflection and logic I thought I was talking to a young kid right here. But sad too see that you think companies dont have any responsibility for their actions whatsoever.

"and makes NQ look bad" you actually made me laugh hard right there. Maybe its cause NQ actually did badly in this situation in every possible aspect. Oh dear. Yes the bans show clearly "players will pay for our mistakes, even if theyre within the legit game systems". Because of the inherent hypocrisy in their actions they havent achieved any show of power but shown that they easily panic and overreact.