Warlander

I like a single solar system mascaraing as two universes.

Its either you do asteroids or you run missions as the only way to get ahead. Its the only content they really developed knowing miners were going to replace mining. With how irrelevant they are now when you drop 75 more onto the small amount that spawn its the only real gains at the cost of gas as materials and consumables will be the only game in town unless you want to mission grind and be subject to buying what you need. initial inflation when your getting minimal ore through miners wont bridge the gap and will lead to hyper inflation when nobody gets what they need unless your a builder with free tiles surviving off UBI and even still what are you going to do if you can mine those tiles and nobody is making voxels?

You dont have a sat map for space but players do and they are tracking all the spawn locations and reverse engineering the algorythem and when they do those extra 75 roids go straight into their pockets on saturdays when the servers come back up. Again you dont understand your playerbase and keep handing megaorgs unfair advantage without restraints. Great job keep destroying the game faster with mediocre mistakes.

Im not hating just trying to educate people.

Yeah but unless you were a miner or took their hint when they first announced Demeter to instantly start quing mining talents so that you can hit the ground running and have all the PDs and Mining Unit talents as soon as you log in. TBH they dont need to reset any talents since asteroids are technically mining so it still exists and its not like you dont still need mining talents to do it which they are forcing people into. This talent reset was to let players exploit the pre-qued exp of anyone who was not already in mining to get the drop day 1 when they were never miners but have all the exp they need when the talents go live to hit the ground running. Dont know if anyone caught that but the timeframe pretty much lets you que all the exp you needed if you instantly qued mining talent when they dropped the news on Demener for both the mining and the industrial talents.

/rightoverhead Right now I dont need all that but after Demeter that is what it will take to just pull base numbers of ore just to progress and not even expand and thats not including what my friend pulls per day. it would take 400-600 tiles to make up those losses with 400-600mil per week in taxes or 1.2-2.4 billion per month in tax. We are just two people you can only imagine how many tiles its going to take to make up for those losses post demeter for mega orgs. Its a good thing they got all those scans when they need like 5-10k tiles to keep their status quo.

I love doing all that stuff too! But... Just to do what I was doing I need 200mil to put down the 200tiles, 200mil per week, 800mil per month, flying missions nonstop wasting gas just to break even and that leaves no time to do what I found fun in the first place. The devs say boohoo taxes you get more than you pay for. If im getting litterally nothing in terms of raw mats for space gas to fly missions to pay for the tax just to keep flying to finance all this shit and everyone bug mega orgs is about to come to a grinding hault and you are forced to bay likely 2-3x the prices due to shortages then no im not making more than the taxes im actually losing. And its not like im some mega org its just me and my friend. I was able to use skill and effort. Whatever this is feels like some kind of space slavery sim they want me to pay more for less content every patch. They think 5 free tiles you cant even mine on makes up for that. If I cant build, engineer stuff, or do anything if I have to collect ore from 200 tiles compounds the not making more than the tax or having to manually fill the tax pools in each TU when it should be as simple as the construct list in the map having a checkbox and they act like they spent their time and money wisely creating some broken system when they are working harder than they need to if they just added a territory tab in the map in the first place.

Lol considering they have devs working from multiple countries/states/rpovinces it makes it look even worse. Thing is anyone can see this ship is going down and sure there might be some who want to help save it but the culture is so engraned that they cant see the reef they are about to smash into and they are taking on water so unless they change course and plug up the holes or make the devs walk the plank and clean house. Its time for a mutany the captain went mad and the new one is still drinking JC's secret sauce.

Yeah if they didnt they realized pretty quick that all these pvp scripts were going to kill their game faster than they could destroy it themselves. There is no game if everyone got blocaded on sanctuary all the time with one tile and no reason to play.

The only thing to know is that Ore is now unlimited and it will just update what is in the tiles since the numbers dont mean anything other than the Liters per hour. If you dont believe me: https://youtu.be/rhoz6ynOKBQ 12:06-14:02 and them talking about infinite ore 17:53-18:30 More talking about infinite ore 23:44-26:56 Then talking about no wiping scans 30:14-31:01 They talk about ore distribution being rarer and more sparsely populated I tried to cut out Pann as much as possible. Pann is so great I could listen to her talk about herself for hours! She should start a dev Vlog called "Pannarama". And still in this video they seem to double down that they are just wining it and will likely wipe and still they seem to suggest out of the other side of their mouth that even if/when it happens that there is a full wipe youll still keepyour scans to do it again.

I love in the latest vlog about the question that can new players still mine cough harvest surface rocks. My question is where when all the tiles get bought up in like 3-6mo and all new players get is a sanctuary tile or they have to run 100km to harvest surface rocks?

Its just stupid that they arent resetting Teraforming talents that in many casest are intricately tied to mining or the fact that the flatten tool for the most part is the real mining tool should be included since they are also killing teraforming in this even if they dont want to admit it. I do agree that the talents they are adding just dont just run off the old mining talents and just apply them all as PDs Its not like NQ ever required people to become a class they dont want to play as a condition to play te game you didnt choose to play.

Its not about the fact that mega orgs already scanned everything and they can do it again scanning moons in a weekend or planets in a week or less. You are litterally going to instantly let them monopolize T3-5 ore and litterally cut off any chance of anyone else ever making anything other than T2 elements or progressing if scans remain as they are and not wiping them. Its either you wipe scans now or you are going to have to wipe the server before launch in order to balance the game that is beyond broken at this point. Quit being lazy and do what you know needs to be done.

5 Tax free HQ tiles, 1 sanctuary tile, and potentially 1 extra free tile from UBI gives an additional technically free tile per week. If builders just want to build mining T1 ore from the free tile works. But to everyone else Pann keeps throwing out a 100L per hour figure and on the PTS ive seen as high as 200L per hour. 2400L per day or 4800 per day is abysmal. If you go by the Talents maxed and you can pull 10 charges every 35 hours you still only get potentially 50kl from 10 charges, 3500L @ 100L per 35 hours or 7,000L @ 200L per 35 hours. That might sound good and all but I never asked for their handout as some form of substitue for onworld mining. Space in this game is devoid of anything interesting or fun. Im not wanting to fly around for hours for a chance and hella competition each weekend before they are gone. I dont mind putting in the work but asteroids or lame rock harvesting does not make up for the potential or the massive ore reserves people have gotten and it almost warrents a full wipe to equal the score and start fresh. Problem is they never said the HQ tiles were mineable in the vid as much as their peace offering for builders. Im not going to put words in their mouth or hold my breath that you can until they explicitly say so. Its an olive branch to builders for sure, but I feel like its more for existing builds that serve no real mining purpose as much as trying to preserve some of the excelent creations that have been built so that they just dont default on dead tiles and get looted. As far as scans go instantly mega orgs know where everything is and will sieze all the best tile assets. Its not even a question its going to happen. When they do that everyone else is screwed especially since they eluded to the fact that T4-5 resources are even rarer now which makes progression for anyone other then mega orgs obsolete. NQ is litterally letting them monopolize on everything those ore tiers make. Thats also assuming they dont monopolize all T2-3 ores on all other moons and planets. It makes no sense.

Ive made prolly 20+ suggestion threads. Its not my fault they dont have a budget or a team who actually takes them... Its their game they can keep running it into the ground I guess. Its not my livelyhood they are deadset on ruining.

In the Vlongs one of the devs plays as an industrialist and was happy that he could now get free ore while annoucing they were killing mining. I dont honestly know if the other devs actually play the game they develop or if they have some kind of skewed sense of the game on their private test environment or if they just secretly play with creator mode or what. It does not seem they play the same game they push on us. Maybe they are just complacent and are numb to the types of updates they drop. Maybe they dont understand that every time they try to reign in mega orgs they smash small orgs and new players with schematics, etc and not actually doing anything to bridge the gap of disperity between how much it keeps making it worse by giving mega orgs more and more unfair advantages while we have to keep digging outselves out of the holes the devs keep kicking us into. Flat taxes, content gates like schematics, and now Mining Units will do more of the same and all but secure their ability to destroy the servers completely when territory wars are live. What NQ does not get is mega orgs can side step 1mil to put a TU down and 1mil a week as it litterally does not affect them at all. They could probably buy up all the tiles they want like whole moons and planets and it still likely would not hurt them rather than adding compounding sinks that hurt more the bigger an org gets. There is a reason why in all other PvP games there are stong limits in place that will make a or break a guild/org by either skill or the RL wallet because of those limits and force stronger guilds to be formed to pick up the pieces when a guild/org falls apart under its own weight. I cant tell you how many times I have seen that happen but not in DU. The devs cater to them and empower them to keep destroying their game along with scripting vs actually building tools, elements, etc we can use or making this skill based vs just having the game play for you.

If anything just drop the 5 HQ tiles and have everyone start an Org and then just not log on since its tax free in addition to the free sanctuary tile. Though they never said if you could mine on HQ tiles. If its the case that you can mine tax free just use HQ tiles with every person in your clan havingtheir own org doing the same and just not play for a few months till they get the message.

Its not hard to see what the dev team thinks of their playerbase. They origionally sold Mining Units as an addon to traditional mining with asteroids being another extension of that system. The truth is they probably were always going to do this and just didnt know how to break the news on how they were killing our puppy/lifeblood The thing is they never thought to actually come up with some kind of replacement onworld system other than potentially 5kl of rocks which is like you could mine in 5 minuites or less and being able to do this x10 in 35 hours somehow makes up for the loss of 400+kl of mining per day that only took 15 mins in any direction of your base to find. And now you are going to need to fly an hour or more if you find an asteroid within 5 points using Lsat. I really dont know what they were thinking.

She was hella quick to about face and point out she wasnt laughing at our concens.

They havent banned the thousands of ships around markets yet that have nonstop scripts running and bogging the server down. I believe when I made a suggestion a while back they said they dont have the time, money, or manpower to actually police markets. Besides im not trying to bog down the system, Im simply trying to encourage myself and others to sell our voxel reactors like all the massive amounts of containers and ships for sale.

They (D)ont (U)understand im wondering if they realize soon they could be (D)efinatly (U)nemployed in under a year after this goes live. I had to laugh when Pann was talking about the DU Curious like there are still people out there that dont watch youtube, twitch streams, and the forums or know at least one person who played this game and left this sinking ship long ago. Sorry to break it to her your companies image proceeds itself that this thing is a slow motion trainwreck. Smoke another J before you jump on camera and not talk about the game and only yourself or not want to field a question.

Well its either direct actions now or they develop people out of the game over time. Bans are the least of our worries. What are they going to do ban their whole playerbase?

Nothing to see here, go back to your safespaces and brace for impact.

Right now they have proposed a manual adding of quanta to however many tiles you have except the 5 Base/Headquarter tiles. You got two weeks to pay and someone can come claim it. Then you got two weeks to move ships and dismantle your builds and hope you got blueprints and some kind of way to tell how to reassemble it all and hope that all of it does not warp the voxels when you place it all back down.

Yeah they chose the most obvious solurion of flat taxes as a pivot to telling us mining is dead and there is nothing to replace the gains you were making as some kind of solution to mining when its not even scratching the surface of what we were making within 15km of our bases as some kind of solution to the main problem of this game which was and has always been slaving away for nothing and now we work and pay asub for even less than some kind of unieversal income. Im no socialist or sommunist but this is straight up bullshit. I dont care what is going on in Canada atm but this new normal is a lame escuse for somekind of gaming model for nothing more than the lamest of cash grabs ever ettempted for no real form of gameplay other than what you would expet from some kind of EEE studio trather than AAA. Well done NQ you have created the worst game ever developed in the history of MMOs. I thought that the last 5 years were bad but man you keep lowering expectations to the point of absolute unplayability for $7 a month. Bravo. Maybe the rest of you except this shit. Maybe ive been privelidged by half decent to terrible games the last 25 years. Maybe I expected more from some mediocre stuio like the rest claiming some kind of next gen shitpile failure. Who really know what this game is about at this point. Idk do you?