Mordgier
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20 minutes ago, toziop said:
And if you go to the gunners account. And leave the pilot. You are automating the ship to fly. So technically still against the rules..
.....that's not automation.
CEO of NQ said it's ok. Get over it.
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JC explicitly said it's OK as long as you use more than one PC - at the same time. As long as you don't use it for automation.
You can watch the video.
I'm going to go with what the CEO says. I even spooled the video up for you to exactly when they talk about it.
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9 minutes ago, toziop said:
Guess I will have to look it up for you.. but you can even ask in noob help... how did you not know
Why would I ask noobs for help when JC explicitly stated that multiboxing is OK in the stream with Markee Dragon?
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1 minute ago, toziop said:
he said having multiple accounts is ok. But only one logged in at a time. It was clarified just last week
False.
He said the current limitation is the anticheat that prevents you from running two instances on one PC - and that you can use two PCs. I have watched every livestream and none support your claims.
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1 minute ago, Anopheles said:
There's no evidence that this will lose opayere, particularly if NQ are honest about the game.
It isn't a civilisation building game by the way it's a civilisation-s building game. Some like Singapore where littering gets you a hefty fine and some will be like a war torn, barely functioning Mid African state and all the points in between.
Using the "over-gods" of NQ to solve not-actually-exploits but rather mechanics used "amorally" wont do the game any favours either.
This.
Frankly I'm actually upset that NQ seems to have issues with space dongs.
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1 minute ago, joaocordeiro said:
Im talking about how that video title means what you say it means.
NQ can allow you to Build the civilization but within basic rules and still be a "player built civilization"
Game mechanics and 'rules' are different things and should be handled differently.
I have yet to see any 'rules' about how MY civilization should be built.
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4 minutes ago, toziop said:
Read up dude. Using alts as gunners is not allowed. “ exploit”
Source. JC has explicitly stated that mutliboxing is OK.
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Just now, joaocordeiro said:
I will rephrase so you can't get away.....
On what ever state/country you live in.
You are allowed to BUILD a house in your property, right?
But can build a death trap with flesh piercing spike under a false floor?
Does the word "BUILD" mean "Unrestricted BUILD"?Yeah so like - you don't get it.
In RL I live in a country. The land is claimed and owned and under the jurisdiction of a government.
That is not the same as DU where the land is UNCLAIMED and UNOWNED.
If I were to build on 'uncliamed' land in the real word - you'd get the Republic of Minerva
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Minerva
So I'd get to make my own laws and rules.
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2 minutes ago, toziop said:
And alt gunners are an exploit...can it get any clearer for you????
lol wut
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3 minutes ago, Samlow said:
This discussion is what people like you have been using as defense for what finally has been deemed an actual exploit. With that, blaming the person of an unwise action for the crime in any way is a moot point, one so far only used by those often claiming "it wasnt an exploit" or "its a grey area".
NQ gave us clarification. It IS and WAS an exploit.
As such, unless you read the discord swamp, you could not expect an unclaimed tile in a pvp disabled zone to be at risk of pvp. Especially new players. Unwise?, yes, to blame? no.
We want repeat offenders of exploits punished.IS? Yes ok. WAS? Ehhhhh........
In general in a legal sense actions that you took in the past that were not defined as illegal are not considered something you an be held responsible for - as they were not defined as illegal at the time you committed the acts.
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1 minute ago, joaocordeiro said:
The terms and agreements on DU say that they can carry out administrative punishment for not obeying game rules defined by NQ.
A game rule about "not being a dick" was just issued.No.
The rule was about not building dicks.
Very different.
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1 minute ago, joaocordeiro said:
So when you are allowed to "BUILD" a house in RL, does that remove any state or city rule you need to follow?
How does "player built" or "player driven" becomes "unregulated player built" or "unregulated player driven" ?What state? What city? Whose rules?
I'm confused here, you seem to be under the misguided notion that you and I are subordinate to someone else who makes the rules.
DU has the same laws as international waters.
Also known as pretty much complete lack of them.
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2 minutes ago, WildChild85 said:
Well that means let us all use bugs and exploits in the future, because who cares...
That has largely been the takeaway for many who continued to use the link exploit and mass exploit after the first 'fix' failed to fix them.
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2 minutes ago, Elrood said:
Because I don't know any which solved it. Rust? Hell no. Eve? Not really, no. Atlas? No. Ark? Hell no. Which game has actually solved it?
EVE has it down pretty good. I have never lost any sleep over someone continuing to bring their ships to our space to be podded.
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9 minutes ago, Samlow said:
No need to disrespect the victims. They didnt lose their crappy ships, they lost hours of time investment in a place where they shouldnt lose them.
With the whataboutism. It is fine to call for all exploits to get punishment in my eyes. Just that this post was about this specific case. And this case is very public and well documented,.I would have no qualms if every player who lost a ship in safe zone was reimbursed - good luck with NQ handling that.
I would have no qualms if players who stole ships were 'punished' but I am willing to bet that NQ doesn't even know who stole these ships.
Just like I bet that NQ can't find out who abused the mass or linking bugs or even duped items. They keep making threats and asking people to self report - but so far it seems to just be a case of empty threats....
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Just now, Elrood said:
Nope. Lets assume copr ABC will piss me off. They can kill me 100 times, but if i'm pissed enough, I will be coming back. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. And again. They won't be able to prevent it. Only kill me times and times again. And i won't care. I will just keep coming back. And I will be cheeping out things from them. Again and again. The only thing what you will be able to do is to not lose more than you get by killing me. The only "positive" results they can achieve is stalemate.
How do you intend to keep coming back my dearest friend when you have no territories and no constructs left in pvp space?
You're welcome to build up again on a pve world and fly over to a pvp area to get poded over and over if you so like.
You're acting like this is a problem that other games have not easily solved.
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2 minutes ago, joaocordeiro said:
Can you be a litle more specific and say what time in the video and what words represent what you said?
Are you intentionally being obtuse?
Dual Universe :: Civilization Building Sci-Fi MMORPG
You BUILD the civilization. You are in frontier space. It is uncivilized by nature. Just like the wild west. It is your job to create and spread this civilization - how you do that is up to you - but I expect it to be spread with an iron fist.
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3 minutes ago, Elrood said:
Here is the sad truth - self moderated irl societies works because if person piss everyone off enough, someone will finally kill/inprison that person and remove him from society for good. In DU the only one thing capable of removing unwanted but determine person is NQ. This means unless NQ do something chaos monger will always prevail and best one can hope for is "not loosing" to him. So in short we are missing crucial tool for building society and civilization - tool to remove unwanted members. No space will ever be even consider "safe".
That's called pvp and territory control and it's coming.
If you want to stay in the pve are, you do so with the asshats who you can't remove. That's the price you pay. for safety.
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3 minutes ago, joaocordeiro said:
Can you link a NQ saying that?
Title. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1949863330/dual-universe-civilization-building-sci-fi-mmorpg
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5 minutes ago, WildChild85 said:
I agree, but this doesn't harm anybody directly leading to big quit waves.
Really? A carrier full of pvp ships getting warped around the galaxy dropping off ships at distant planets to snipe people as they decelerate on approach didn't make people quit?
I think you are severly overestimating the impact of people who lost their crappy noob ships on Alioth to those who lost them to the pvp cheese.
I bet that more people quit from losing their newbie speeders by lagging them into the 'no fly zone' at the markets when their FPS dropped to 0 and they couldn't stop.
I'm not trying to turn this into some "whataboutism" - but if we are going to apply punishments to exploits - it's all or nothing.
So yes - either nothing is punished or everything is. Warpsleds, links, dupes, safe zone theft, etc....
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5 minutes ago, Elrood said:
Yeah, lets prepare the waters for Eve warfare motto "i will be fing you up so long that you leave the game" -.-
Letter of law above spirit of law and so on. I got you. But i disagree with you on most fundamental level. For me its simple. If someone is a dick just to be a dick, that person should be kicked out. If someone is a dick and squirts game mechanics boundaries to f someone up he should be kicked. No society should tolerate such person. Kick him before he kicks other people out of game for no other reason than to have satisfaction of "winning" by any way possible.Unfortunately for you, no pvp game operates in the way you would like.
Some private servers - sure.
The whole point of DU is that it's about the creation of an artificial society - there is no law beyond the one you make.
This is still the early game and there will come a time when this game is played much like EVE where the truly civilized areas aren't 1.0 or low sec - but 0.0 where the rules and behavior is enforced by the corporation that controls that space.
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Yawn.
Has NQ even done anything about the duppers, link exploiters and mass exploiters?
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that orgs warping their pvp ships and haulers around the galaxy for 1 cell at a time are a much bigger deal but hey what do I know...
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1 minute ago, michaelk said:
This "emergent" gameplay isn't going very well for them haha...it's almost like they didn't ever think about how players would use/abuse the tools they built, which is baffling for any MMO design.
As I said before, I don't think JC has been griefed enough. He talked about games he's played - and I've never heard him say "Yeah I played ARK" or any other open world full loot pvp game.
Had he played ANY of these sort of games, he would know that grief and salt mining are business as usual.
Everything that can be used to grief will be. Every cheese tactic will be used. In every open world full loot pvp game the player who refuses to use every possible tactic to their advantage will lose to one that has no such scruples.
Leaving safe zone is consenting to PvP.
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Uhh...becuase timings?
Stream was 2 weeks ago. The rules got issued based on the anticheat limitation which prevents you from running the game twice on the same machine back in August.
JC was very clear in the stream that anticheat does not allow it on the same machine - but running DU on a different machine is fine.
I use 3 accounts. 2 at the same time. Go ahead and report me right now. Best of luck.