JohnnyTazer
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Its so crazy. If you don't want to pvp, dont play a PVP game. Its that simple. Don't come into a game and say "no fair they destroyed my ship!"
Ofc, there should be balance. But the game is super super dull if you just build, then build more, then more building, then 4 years down the road you are still building, weeeeeeeee. I understand niche markets, and also trying to appeal to more people, but there is a reason EvE has players that last years on end. Its cause of the relationships, and the sometimes meaningful battles that took place. I couldn't tell you how 1 single pubg match went down that Ive played, but I could tell you about a wormhole battle I had in eve in 2012. Because it MEANT something.
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4 hours ago, DarkHorizon said:
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Not much to go off of here so I'll assume you're in the business of recycling wrecked constructs?
You know what they say about when you assume.
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2 hours ago, KOOLLAYDTAC said:
I quit playing Eve years ago. I personally and just my own opinion on what I personally look for in an mmo found it more often then not dull. Nothing against the game. It is a legend in it's own right in it's genre. I just didn't find it to be as immersive to me as I did when playing Star Wars Galaxies. There are not many games if any at all in my eyes that can even hold a candle to that game. Especially the Pre-CU era as in my opinion that version of the game is still unmatched even by today's standards. I found the time grind in Eve very unrealistic and not very engaging at all so it was when I found myself logging in Eve to set a timer on skills and then logging out to actually go play another game that was more fun that was my telltale sign it was time for me to call it quits. The only time I actually remotely had any fun playing Eve was when I participated in those large scale space battles. Aside from that it just didn't grab me.
Now if your a person who likes top down games like the Starfleet Command series or Star Trek Online then I do highly recommend Eve if that is your thing. If your looking for a full meal deal package like what Star Wars Galaxies provided then I have yet to see a game do that successfully. That's not to say that there are not alot of great games out there though. I've played many and enjoy them all. None of them are the full meal deal package though.
DU makes me think of games like Empryion , Entropia Universe and the The Repopulation in the way it looks, but closer to Space Engineers in the way that it plays from the videos I have seen. Not the most engaging style of game play I have ever seen to be entirely honest about my opinion on the matter. While the concept of a single shard or server basically is great in theory I can see the potential for a lot if not a buffet of problems down the road once it is placed in actual practice.
My predictions are if they stick to the open world anyone can effect anything method of game play will be at first everyone will enjoy it. Then there will be issues with grieffers at some point. There will be people who do not want to engage in the pvp element of the game. I am almost positive they will get flooded with reports and complaints of various things happening to them with in the game. I am sure there will be some refund issues going on as well too. I am also fairly sure some changes will at some point be made to accommodate that which in turn will take away from the original free element of it being an open world anyone can effect anything type of game. I am willing to even go so far as to bet they will even consider if not actually set up a separate server or shard as they want to call it for pve and one for pvp so you can choose what to play on thinking that will solve and fix all their problems. So the single shard server aspect I can actually see flying straight out the window at some point in time and it being a double shard basically. lol I am sure that will be rationalized as each server is it's own shard so in a sense from a technical stand point of view it is still a single shard server. lol That's just a few examples of some of the problems I can see them having in the foreseeable future.
The concept of DU is a great one in theory as I have said, but in actual practice I am not so sure it will go down so well for them. At least in Eve Online one of the reasons it worked out so much better for them was there are ways to avoid pvp for those who only want to play the pve portion of the game. That was the thing I liked about Star Wars Galaxies as well. In that aspect I felt SWG definitely had a perfect balance to it's Universe. There was a clear line drawn in the sand and you could walk on either side of the fence in the world with out having it effect your game play. That's one of the reasons why it had the status and respect that it did. A side from the fact that it is still the best space mmo ever made to this day. Anyway that just my own personal opinion on the matter. Hopefully it will all work out for the best.
I get what you are saying. But EvE is only ever safe in an NPC station. So you can be ganked at anytime, so there really isnt a PVE free area that you talk about. You can sit in a station and build, and run the market without getting ganked, but lots of people still call that pvp cause the market is player run and your fighting against 0.01 isk people non stop in jita. If you ever try to move out of station besides jump cloning once every 24 hours, you are at risk. I do fear some of the things you are talking about though, the carebears are people that ruin a good game. If you don't want to be at risk, please play a different game. DU is not for you, just as eve isn't. And guess what. THAT IS OK. This game has been stated by the devs that it will be all about emergant gameplay, orgs battling for non-re spawning resources, and rebuilding civilization. I'm all for there being some safe zones for people to get a foot. But after that, its open world PVP. What people fail to understand, especially in a harsh game like eve, is that you are NOT your ship, or your items. They are tools to have fun, to craft an experience. People in EvE literally take a hit to the ego if their ship goes boom, when thats the wrong mentality to have. Everytime I undock a ship I've already written it off as "gone". That mentality has kept me playing and pvping in eve for 10 years, and brought me a lot of fun. But I do agree with this quote on SWG was a very fun game, and it was the first MMO I played. But this game will be doomed if they abandon their stated vision, and give in to the carebears. That I know for sure.
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1 hour ago, Jenshae said:
Thats great. If you played EvE for a meaningful time then my comment wasn't directly aimed at you.
But with that being said, the reason im so vocal about eve is, ive seen the nerfs and lived through them. I've seen the forums being littered with whiny carebears threatening to CCP to change the game soley around their play style, slowly ruining what the core of eve was. A hyper competitive space mmo where you were always at risk. I don't want that to happen to DU, because from what I've seen, this is the game ive been waiting for. And as much as I love EvE, i do admit it has flaws. And even though im a hardcore pvp guy, there are a lot of things i dont want in DU that eve has, such as safe zone ganking. Im ok with DU being a different game. That doesn't mean it cant have a soul similar to EvE online. Hell, I remember talking to a fellow corp mate while i was in wormhole space circa 2012 or around there, talking about this new game we heard was being developed called Star Citizen. We had big debates about what it would actually be, what they were talking about, what things might be similar/different from eve, etc. So a lot of us hardcore EvE guys are looking for a new game, and not just an eve clone. But people that have played eve, know that there are some things that just work and are so much fun.
What I think a lot of us, just gamers in general, who especially like a more Sci-Fi based setting are wanting a rich environment, where many play styles can be represented, but also want it to be very competitive, and relying on relationships one way or another to achieve goals. Having a big open world environment that is player run is what we want. We want people to have to make choices, and with choices mean mistakes can be made. Everything that i've seen seems to be heading in that direction, and that is the reason I pledged. I just hope they stay the course and stick with their vision, and not give in to the carebears.
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7 minutes ago, Haunty said:
I played eve and according to online tests I am not a sociopath. ?
Here is a good story of EvE sociopaths. I had been playing eve for about 1 year, maybe a bit longer. I was living in a wormhole, with an wormhole alliance. At one point I found out one of my corp mates lived in the same city as me. We had talked about the possibility to meet up for a beer. Well before that happened, my current roommate I had bailed on me, and didnt have his rent so I had to unexpectedly move out, and soon. To make matters worse I didn't have a car at the time, tho I started a new job and would have one soon. My corp mate offered to come help me move in his truck for free. He and his gf came over, helped me and it all worked out great. A guy in my corp in eve online who I never met, extended a helping hand. That was over 7 years ago or so, and we are still friends to this day.
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13 minutes ago, blazemonger said:
EVE has been dying since 2003..
DU will be great, it will be even more unforgiving towards the carelessness and stupidity some players will practice than EVE. DU to me brings good things from several games together and the ruthlessness of EVE will be one of them. That does not mean I intend to be ruthless but it does mean I expect to encounter that and be prepared for it/accept it when it comes.
IMO that is what a some here do not seem to get, you can live and play your own way with all you do not choose to engage in in the game just fine. Blocking it out or ignoring it does not make it go away and it should not.
Couldn't agree more. People forging their own paths in an open world game. So much potential and fun, and stories to be had.
I think often people are too afraid of failure. But games like this, that it is proposing to be, and EvE. Failure is how you learn. Without failure, the victory isn't as sweet. and its a virtual world, so you don't perma die. Embrace the failure, and your enjoyment goes up like 10x.
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Whats also funny, is this so similar a discussion i;ve had with highsec Carebears. Not even a month ago, I stole some drones from someone in highsec worth about 200mil. Afterward I said GF in local, and they berated me, cursed at me. Then private convo'd me and said I was the reason eve was dying. Then we got to talking and I asked him how much he spent on eve. He said "nothing, i plex my 2 characters, I don't have to spend a dime on eve.". Too which i replied "Thats nice, but ive spent about $200 this month, in addition to paying for my 5 accounts. I love eve and I want CCP to do well. I have the income to afford it as one of my hobbies. I'm pretty sure CCP values me as a customer over you."
Its just hilarious people continue to play a game they hate.
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1 minute ago, DaphneJones said:
Not a carebear. I understand Eve (as well as I can from outside). Not interested in subjecting myself to such BS. RL is already violent enough.
You are literally proving my point. If you just said "EvE is not the type of game for me, i choose to play something else." and left it at that, then no one would have an issue. But you literally said anyone who plays is a sociopath, and attack people who are speculating about the similarities between what DU has proposed, and what EvE online IS.
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1 minute ago, DaphneJones said:
Not complaining, but do you trust any man? How foolish. Men pretend to be honorable but expedience trumps honor on a daily basis. /shrug. (Women aren't any better, but generally, we don't pretend to be honorable).
I tend to live a life, where I don't generalize that someone is going to act a certain way, based on their gender, or race. Or question their mental state simply by a video game they prefer.
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3 minutes ago, blazemonger said:
I play EVE in a very non violent way. I am a member of a corp where we live by a credo prohibiting instigating or interfering in aggression. That is not to say we can't or won't defend ourselves and kill in the process if we have to. In my daily travels I constantly put myself at risk but using the tools I have I will generally get away before an attacker gets a shot off. I avoid Highsec as it is a scary and dangerous place, much more so than NullSec..
Yea, based on what you said you seem the complete opposite of a sociopath. You seem like a well adjusted person who knows what eve is, accepts that, and chose a play style accordingly.
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1 minute ago, DaphneJones said:
ROFL. You represent my remarks.
Good thing you're not making DU.
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I also want to make clear, that while i may personally heavily favor open world, non-consensual PVP, I do believe that PVE, building, and other play styles should be represented. I agree with certain safe zones, certain mechanics where your base cant be zerged while you sleep. PVE, construction, etc feeds the war machine and is a huge part of an open world pvp game. So i do believe people that have no interest in pvp, do have some options. But I also think they shouldnt be lazy or favored over PVPers. PVPers have to plan, have risk, etc. If you want to mine that sweet ore, instead of getting the biggest ship with cargo containers, and fly out solo, you could maybe as one option hire a couple guys to protect you and give them a % of the haul. Stuff like that is what will make this game one of the best. Emergant gameplay, player driven, and choices based on risk/reward.
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3 minutes ago, DaphneJones said:
I generally assume that Eve players are sociopaths until proven otherwise. Haven't seen any of them proven otherwise yet.
The carebears yes. But not the pvpers. The ones who know what EvE actually is. Its literally promoted, by the DEVS, as an open world pvp game where you are never safe. Not even in highsec. But when ive ganked a mining ship in highsec, ive been called a rapist, and had my real life threatened over a 30mil ship. Now move toward lowsec, and ive killed a guy in a 2bil rattlesnake, and after he dies he says "good fight". You are making gross generalizations, and you come off like you barely played eve, or you did and it was the wrong game, so instead of just moving on, you just call anyone who plays it a sociopath. Ive made life long friends in eve. I live in a big city, and met up with people in real life from eve. What the problem is, is people like you, cant just accept its not the game for you, and advocate changes, or bad mouth it, instead of looking for a game better suited for YOU. Meanwhile, ME, i don't go into other games and cry on the forums and say "why cant I stab this guy and take all his stuff when he just logged on?". What I do, like a normal adjusted adult, is wait for a game where the developers say they are making a game that suits my play style, and would be fun for me to play, ala Dual Universe. You really need to stop projecting.
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It seems like there are a lot of people talking about Eve who have never actually played the game. Or for any meaningful time outside of highsec. I'm a 10 year eve current player. I 5 box in PvP, use caps, all that stuff. I don't want to multi-box in DU. Its a breath of fresh air. The reason DU is attractive to me is it seems like it has/wants to have the SOUL that eve has. Thats what a lot of you are missing. Sure mechanics different. But the soul of the game is similar, thats why its getting all the comparisons. We will have a single shard universe, everyone is on the same server. There is talk of safe zones, but after that more open world style play. JC has said the word "emergant gameplay" and that has been used to describe eve for decades. Player driven content, player driven market. Those are the things that interest us, but in a unique 3d world where we are an avatar not a pod or ship in game. Plus a sub model and a plex model. These are the reasons I have backed this game, and these are the reasons this game will succeed in my opinion.
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On 12/12/2018 at 6:07 PM, DaphneJones said:
Not scared. Just averse to boring and non-fun game play.
Especially when the "combat" is leveled tab-target BS. That's really just bullying anyway you look at it.
I'm so glad you aren't the one developing DU. The reason I pledged is because of all the concepts they are bringing to the game that are EvE online. Of course with their own stuff too.
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I like the possibility of some survival aspects. I also REALLY like the idea of Drugs, with buffs, and DeBuffs for over use. Could really enhance possible gameplay. If you take too much of a drug, when you are not on it, you get negative stats or something to that effect, cause you became addicted to it. So there would be a balance with it, and choices on when to use, or not to use.