Baldric

@Keieueue, please calm down.
You don't need to be aggressive, or insult anyone or any game, to show your arguments.
 
PS: this is not an endorsement of what is said here, from anyone.
I won't enter this debate.
 
~ Merwyn

Remember the Erotica1 scandal? Please tell me what it had to do with "playstyle"
EvE devs started noticing around 2006 that multiple accounts enabled griefers and sociopaths, and ofc those accounts had to be funded ($ for CCP!). Devs did not address gameplay issues that allowed multiboxing, but instead, started to promote "Power of 2", effectively giving the signal that in order to compete in EvE, you had to buy multiple accounts and fund them, whether through RL money (easier and much faster) or grinding (and someone had to buy those PLEX anyway with RL money)
They cleverly understood that there was a niche in MMOs for griefers and anonymity-protected online sociopaths. EvE caters to them, but it goes much deeper than this.
Single shard -> high stakes because of reputation etc, so players take things at heart, and are ready to spend good money just to prevail in game.
Cue out-of-game money deals, so ingame player entities get harrassed, or don't get harrassed...
Plus the money laundering...
EvE is a cesspool, last thing DU needs is an input of its inhabitants
But as DU won't enable multiboxing because its gameplay is far from utter garbage, something tells me all the tryhards, RMT scoundrels and money launderers will stay in the containment universe known as New Eden.

Please tell me which kinds of competition exist in which you can clone yourself so you can multiply force just by cheesing a gameplay-wise deficient system
For example, in EvE: throwaway free accounts as static scouts on gates + offgrid booster + support (healer) + gank ships, all of which can  be manned by a single person
Some other person jumps in, using a single account, and gets "competitioned", LOL
Praytell, where is the competition?
Protip: competition requires a level playfield. I suppose you know about sports. Are the teams usually equal in numbers?
"B...b... but it's war in space! Everything goes when in war! Cheap tricks!"
Oh but I thought it was merely an internet game?
Do you want to talk about the RMT going on in EvE, which also fuels the unending quest for borderline exploits and maximum cheese?

It's always interesting to me how it appears some see/experience griefing which ever game they are involved in. IMO part of that is that they go in wit the expectation of encountering this and as such will expose themselves to exactly this behaviour. In EVE I am a member of Signal Cartel where at first glance our Credo would invite griefing but in fact it does not. On more than one occasion it in fact has shielded us from this where we get a 'Oh, you are Signal Cartel, you guys do great work' and people just move on.
 
Personally I greet griefers with fireworks and friendly banter. I've had someone stealing my loot in a site jettison it with a 'OK, OK, I give up ;)' because of it..
 
Griefing is part of the sandbox we play in, most people choose it as a play style and that is fine really. By approaching them with a negative or salty attitude you only fan the flames, by throwing a joke or pun it actually may be it works in your favour. That is not to say there will not be encounters where some really is just out to tick you off  and since there is nothing you can do to prevent that, IMO the best way to deal with it is just walk away without saying a word. I believe that hurts the griefer more than you may think as they feed off of your response being negative and salty. So in fact, you win..
 
EVE evolved over the past 15 years, it's still here because it did. EVE is a real and viable sandbox which has proven itself several times over and is/has been the subject for studies and research for many years on many subjects like how their in game economy really is a functional one which can't be said about many in game economies. I think DU has the potential to rival EVE in that respect but it will be many, many years before we know if it does.

There should always be limits. Even if a game encourages "competition and creativity" on many levels, some things are universal and not necessarily bound to game mechanics. Like the "meta game". At the latest, there, some should see some limits eventually.
 
But the thing is, different people define this differently.
 
 

Ex-2003 EvE player here. Was in beta as well. Anyone remember Corybantic?
 
The last thing this game needs is an influx of EvE players, as it has been since about 2006, when people started to think that meta mind games and plain anonymity-enabled griefing - the kind of which sad creatures such as Lofty29 industrialized - a sociopathy simulator, in which finding every bordeline exploit and abusing game mechanics just to reap Schadenfreude, is seen as skill.
 
Reminder: UO was ruined and Trammelized because of griefers

I quit EVE when they started selling skill injectors.
 
Lived in a WH for over a year. Did a fair bit in Provi mostly as logi lead and trapping blops.
 
That they are neo-Goons and a social black hole; where people often had to make whole new characters with a clean corp history, in order to escape to other alliances.
 
The real Goons want to kill games.
Neo-Goons either do not impinge upon or actively help line Mitten's pockets.
 
I would never fly with or for PL nor the neo-Goons.
 
 
 
The original EVE thread with a poll

EVE oh EVE..... loved the game but always wanted to build my own designs. So here I am
 
Played EVE for several years. Ended up in lowsec, dipping my toe in Provi then headed to the Great Wildlands but then realised something was missing.... and thats when DU popped up on my radar.
 
I like doing a variety of things.  Some in the DU community may think im a 'griefer'.... I just laugh at the iriony in that 
 
Am I a carebear? Maybe, i just like winning.... or at least the fun of the struggle.
 
Do I intend to build good stuffs? You bet ya !
 
But above all that I look forward to the friends i will make on this journey of colonisation (or is it invasion?) 
 
Cheers
CoreVamore